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• neutral criticism Akshay Kothari

  I think the only sad part was that New York Times went directly to Apple

• neutral fact_claim Akshay Kothari

  what New York Times didn't like was that we were pre-loading it the app was coming pre-loaded with New York Times right which is a bit counterintuitive because we were basically driving traffic to them

• neutral assessment Maxwell Salzberg

  I actually think that aspects right now are still kind of infantile I I think it's kind of a very simple and again we're trying to like uh avoid all feature creep

• bullish fact_claim Evan Schneyer

  we've had a lot of good Traction in discussions with with some big names uh New York Times AOL National Geographic uh to to do some kind of Technology integration or or platform kind of deal

• bullish assessment Martin Tobias

  I think the biggest threat to you know Groupon and living social being proprietary brands that have to spend all their own money to build their own brand are Publishers like those guys I I I'm partners with all those people that you mentioned I'm providing them in different cases technology and or deals uh and they already have scale of audience uh I think they're all uh threats to group on but I think they're all incredibly good opportunities for consumers because now like if you look at what F

• neutral assessment Martin Tobias

  deal aggregators are providing a a valuable service in the deal uh landscape and you know to deal with um fatigue or you know user interface or selection there are over 500 deal uh sites in the United States and in some cities there's 20 or 30 of them and nobody wants to get 20 or 30 emails uh Yip it does something good which is lets you go in there and say I'm interested in restaurant deals or spa deals or these kind of and create a little filter and then they only send you deals that you're in

• bearish assessment Martin Tobias

  an insolvent Groupon would not be good for the overall business uh the category right but you know like I said before if very small tweaks to Groupon's business turns Groupon insolvent for example if they had to pay their merchants in four days instead of 90 days they would be insolvent the second thing is if you know you look at their 80 million subscribers only 15 million of them have purchased so they've spent a lot of money on customer acquisition for customers that are never ever going to b

• neutral assessment Martin Tobias

  the New York Times would never do this the Wall Street Journal will never do that they'll never blend and say David POG gloves this gadget we are going to sell it at a discount or Walt Mossberg I mean I don't think they would even quote

• bearish criticism Martin Tobias

  as a media company you can e integrate a deal thing well like yler has or poorly like the New York Times has

• bearish criticism Martin Tobias

  the New York Times even has I guess a times limited product now um that doesn't look very good and it's sort of buried on their site

• bullish endorsement Jeff Pfeffer

  I would give body parts which I've said before to be a columnist for the New York Times

• bullish endorsement Jason Calacanis

  Source pins these are the best mobile developers you're going to find in the industry they make amazing product I've been blown away by it

• neutral assessment Andrew Siegel

  I don't think there's anybody who's cracked the code what you have just cited is a list of very strategic leading companies who are doing their best to figure it out in real time ... they're all great companies and they're all companies that I think Will Survive

• mixed assessment Andrew Siegel

  I think about the New York Times which is a phenomenal company and I think about the Mast head on the New York Times and there's little box that's been there in the Mast head for 150 years and it says all the News That's fit to print and while it sort of says to you in one quick blurb what the New York Times is all about that isn't how people want to get the news anymore individuals want to want to follow their own social graphic for their own interest graft and not have a group of editors in Ne

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  they're trading at about 45 times earnings

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  I think it's going to be sideways and sideways meaning very volatile up and down as people get excited about different things. To me, the big issue is is they went public very late. They were a very mature company. They already had a 50% operating margin. Their revenue growth was starting to decelerate rapidly and they were making this big transition from desktop to mobile. ... You look at Google is about 17. Apple is at about 10. They're just valued incredibly highly relative to a lot of other

• neutral assessment Alexis Ohanian

  I was actually having a conversation with a very smart journalist about the future of a lot of these institutions whether it's was po or New York Times and one of the things that I I really want to see them step up with more is to be that source of record on almost like you need to know what's going on in Syria right now here it is you don't go to Wikipedia for it you go here

• bullish endorsement Alexis Ohanian

  the New York Times magazine did a very good breakdown of like tweet by tweet up vote by up vote of what happened that day

• bullish endorsement Nick Bilton

  the fact that we're not in the same it's pretty far wal yeah yeah it's like it is a very distinct line and I think that that you know I I will only work for an institution that uh that continues to keep that line

• neutral fact_claim Nick Bilton

  The New York Times has a tiny little Bureau here we've got like 15 people or something like that

• mixed assessment Nick Bilton

  I don't think that they need to try to compete I think the New York Times continues to do what it does well which is great journalism and everything else to me all that other stuff it has literally become the equivalent of television on the internet right these these lists of you know the top 30 people under 30 the top 100 people that went to the toilet today the top you know you name it they are they are it's reality television you just click it you look at it and you don't know what you just l

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  BuzzFeed was like you know what we're going to take these listicles and now that we're making a [ __ ] ton of money let's hire some really good journalists from The New York Times and let them do whatever they want

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  they see the New York Times um laying people off or people having a hard time you know those people have had 10 20 years to figure it out they kind of haven't and they're all shutting down or having having problems they kind of deserve to have problems because they're so slow and they didn't really react fast enough

• bullish endorsement Bill Gurley

  the New York Times and its investigative team had excruciating detail about how this happened which comes from doing primary investigative work.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  if they are being abused they're doing it by choice they're opting in to work there and if you were able to work at Amazon does it not mean that you would be able to work at any other company to me that seems like it would be the case why would people stay at a company that was as abhorent and horrible as it is uh you know portrayed in the New York Times where people were reduced to tears

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  when you're sitting at Major Publications like Inc and wired or if you were at New York Times or Fast Company how does that fly in The Newsroom when you guys are sitting around just you know chewing the fat as it were and you see Henry blet has this like unlimited access to him and it's an investment it's the way the world works right I mean yeah what are you got to do and you find your own way to cover cover Amazon as the New York Times Did and as others others have done and as we continue to d

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  at first I didn't have much problem with Native advertising because we used to have these inserts you know visit beautiful Bulgaria in the newspaper right sorial yeah and have special sections in forb same kind of thing and it seems a lot like that but it's getting the layout the design the way they roll into them it's very hard to tell it's an ad make people uncomfortable

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  we do Native advertising but it's a different group they never would come down to you or Mark they be like hey John marov would you like to they do not assign they do not assign to you there's other writers in the building who are separate independent marketers

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  they have a long way to go to True scrappiness um and halfway there maybe probably not even and uh they might be surprised how deep they can cut um before they hit bone

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  the New York Times has even built up their digital subscription base it seems to be working this porest pay wall of you get to see 10 articles and then you pay I mean that's not what I've seen in the numbers

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  overall subscriptions may be up but revenue from subscrip subscriptions is not keeping them afloat their uh quarterly profits are still bleeding out uh very consistently uh PR is not doing well so I mean it's like they're not they're not going under tomorrow but again I'm not I'm not long on times company

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  I'm not long on times company I think that maybe as a consolidation happens maybe if they Outlast a bunch of the other big newspapers uh and consumers start to reconsolidate around the times that that could help boost their numbers but this to me is kind of uh it's it's a war of attrition they're all fighting right now um not against each other um but just against the general trends of media consum

• bearish prediction Unattributed

  I do think that uh there will probably be longer term um as all these big media companies slowly bleed out there'll be a lot of consolidation um I think the reality is we probably have too many big um high-minded ideal uh you know you know idealistic uh idealistically driven uh media companies in the country um I I say the more the better right but I mean from a financial standpoint that's just not going to work forever right not sustainable yeah it's not sustainable to have you know the times a

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  I think people grow up I think their tastes mature this almost always happens every generation starts out more frivolous then they wind up in the long run and that's okay um that's what we expect generationally so I'm not too worried about that

• bearish prediction Unattributed

  I think there's less news but I think there's less appetite for news so I think it's still a perfect fit so consumers this young Next Generation they just don't care to read the newspaper every day they're just not as good citizens in terms of trying to digest quality content

• bearish prediction Unattributed

  I think it gets smaller and smaller right so I've talked to people about the death of Journalism for a long time right because there's publishing overall there's journalism specifically and the you know the problem is very easy to kind of zero in on right you had you us have six sections to a newspaper and some of them made a ton of money and they kind of supported the other ones the actual pure journalism type things right and then as classifi went away to Craigslist and sports and entertainmen

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  I think we in the Western World think that this is insane and bizarre and perverse but I think in China it's just I don't think anybody probably cares or if they if they do care um only because it's different from instead of being state-owned now it's you know technology firm owned

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  I think it's very not unsettling to know whether it's you know Luke or Vader you know like one or Jeff Bezos yeah exactly who owns Washington Post yep everything's owned by somebody

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  I think all of these things are owned by somebody nefarious and it's better to be transparent and know exactly who it is than to wonder who the hell is giving you your news

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  Alibaba has purchased a South China Morning Post this would be the equivalent of Google buying the New York Times which I have on Insider information was actually brought up as a topic of discussion at Google of buying the New York Times when they were in trouble and putting it into some sort of a trust to you know maintain it or whatever they didn't do it because obviously they didn't want it to look as obviously insane as Alibaba purchasing the South China Morning Post looks

• bearish assessment Katie Benner

  I don't see how it survives

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  just like if I read about Carlos Slim in the New York Times I would think about hey they Carlos Slim um is an owner of this publication

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  even the New York Times has um who's the Mexican billionaire who own own the New York Times Carlos Slim Carlos Slim owns some large percent of the New York Times

• bearish criticism Virginia Heffernan

  do you correct it for the New York Times or do you leave it so this or put yes I see sick or put sick which is a little there's something a little snobby and sneering about that ... I don't like didn't like doing that

• neutral fact_claim Virginia Heffernan

  the New York Times would want us on Twitter promoting our stuff for a long time they didn't exactly and and they're going back to not wanting you on it right didn't they just say like hey no no opinions on Twitter please well they're careful yeah retweets are my own or not even any retweets like that but they definitely want you you know flogging your stuff

• neutral assessment Katie Benner

  it's an investment that has not yet panned out and Snapchat wants more people to do this because they want to present themselves as an alternative to television rather than as an alternative to Facebook

• bullish prediction Katie Benner

  we'll see a lot of television on there soon I think this year

• neutral assessment Katie Benner

  I think it's changed so I think at first when the audience was very tiny people were saying why bother doing this especially when Snapchat forces media companies to do so much more work around reformating stories

• neutral fact_claim Katie Benner

  I think they have uh I forgot the number in my story I think it was 100 million users on Discover every month

• bullish assessment Katie Benner

  discover has grown so a year ago you could argue that very very few people looked at Discover so their growth rate and I think this is one of the things about Wall Street the growth rate is doing this it's going up and to the right very quickly even if it's off a small base

• neutral assessment Charles Duhigg

  I think the times is participating in this and it's also having this like this sense of humility and forgiveness to say look if the conversation spills one way too much One Direction or the other let's let's criticize a conversation and say that that's happened but not criticize the person behind it

• bullish fact_claim Unattributed

  there's a correction section every day and when we make a mistake we have to walk around our office with a dunce cap on because when you screw up at the New York Times everybody knows

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  it's also like sitting in this like field of riches because for the first time you know I remember I I I was recovering a little bit of the Obama Administration it was really hard to get anyone in the Obama Administration to tell you anything like nobody would ever leak anything they were all no drama Obama they would like turn down your foyer requests it was like it was like the least transparent for the for the Press we got this we're we're the good guys just trust we're the good guys we're th

• bullish endorsement Charles Duhigg

  it's satisfying to be a part of the New York Times

• bullish fact_claim Unattributed

  after the series came out foxcon announced they would be doubling salaries for workers in their plants and the and the consequence of that is that it caused all the other factories to also increase their wages so about 13 million people in China got huge wage increases because BEC because you know a light had been shined on this

• neutral assessment Ernst-Jan Pfauth

  Why don't those advertisers want to be on the New York Times and Wall Street Journal anymore and they go right to Facebook and Google I think so because Google and Facebook are better at providing advertising because of all the targeting technology and so it's a more efficient ad spend yeah and and they have a huge audience of course and they know their audience way better than a newspaper could so I think that drives a lot of newspaper companies to subscriptions

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  New York Times they haven't made that decision they're got the advertising department so if they're doing a breaking news story and they can get ten million impressions for Mercedes that whatever $50 per thousand like so leaving a lot of money on the table if they don't get it so a half million dollar ad buy and that really does distract you

• bullish endorsement Alex Mather

  New York Times has done a wonderful job they did actually

• bullish assessment Alex Mather

  we are very high up on the list of digital subscription businesses in the world were amongst companies like New York Times Washington Post which are are no single millions then they are on average the companies above us are a hundred and forty-two years old on average

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  Of a large team, right? There's probably a dozen people. It's literally, like, seven or eight out of ten, in my experience.

• bullish fact_claim Unattributed

  And that's obvious to anybody who uses these that it's stealing other people's content in order to give the answers. So if it's giving answers based on content, it found that the New York times and YouTube videos or whatever web content or books, and they know they stole it.

• bullish endorsement Unattributed

  They did it covertly and they're trying to cover it up. And I think, uh, they need to basically redo all the models. They'll have to start over. And I think that's what the New York times and wall street journal, Dow Jones, Disney, they should all Viacom, all the major content creators. They should get together and they should, as a group, sue open AI into oblivion and make them pull the product from the market and then make open AI get permission and then have them start over. And that's what I

• bullish fact_claim Unattributed

  So, essentially, what's happened is they've taken the value of the New York Times and other publications. They've built a company. That company has perceived value in the market to the point at which the most sophisticated investors in the world are buying it at a $90 billion or $100 billion valuation. That money, a portion of that belongs to the New York Times and whoever else they scraped.

• bullish prediction Unattributed

  And so, I mean, look, this is going to, I do hope, what I hope happens here, and I'll just end on this, is I hope that New York Times gets an injunction against open AI and they have to pull their product from the market. And I think the New York Times, Dow Jones, Disney. All of open AI. Yeah.

• neutral fact_claim Jason Calacanis

  So the opinion page of the New York Times does have a perspective. You pick who you want for president, you pick who you're going to fight for, or you'll pick winners and losers on that page, just like this blog will, and you'll have a range of comments.

• neutral fact_claim Cade Metz

  And let me add one thing is you're right. There are some cases where the New York Times will have an editorial, right? That the, the editorial board on the opinion side will give their opinion, but then we have other voices that we ask in, right? All sorts of people.

• neutral fact_claim Cade Metz

  We are, we're journalists. We're, we're looking, looking at the world, right? We are not trying to cultivate a particular point of view

• neutral fact_claim Cade Metz

  the currency is not how many clicks you get

• neutral fact_claim Cade Metz

  they're paying her a million dollars a year to do those podcasts

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  the New York times is losing its status as the paper of record

• neutral fact_claim Jason Calacanis

  And now, the New York Times is actually, according to reports from journalists, in the New York Times, which is getting kind of meta here, got a little freaked out about this. And then they put the former get Gawker editor, he's now running New York Times version of Substack, or newsletters, whatever it will be.

• bearish prediction Unattributed

  i'm a huge fan of the wire cutter and i am like a crazy product research guy i just love researching products restaurants etc i use yelp i use everything um and i love wire cutter in fact i tried to buy wire cutter or invest in it back in the day before they sold it to the new york times and so i did a search for coffee grinders and some other stuff and i actually did it on i believe chat gpt and claude and a couple other ones and i was just testing it and um it was pretty clear that they got th

• neutral fact_claim Cecilia Ziniti

  new york times made this exhibit exhibit j if you look it up it's great but essentially it has a hundred instances of somebody putting the first paragraph i put an article in and chat gpt gives you the rest verbatim

• neutral fact_claim Cecilia Ziniti

  you know in the like one or two percent something where it's actually measurable you know one random blog post that i wrote you know not going to move the needle but the entire new york times archive you know maybe it does and that's the allegation

• neutral fact_claim Cecilia Ziniti

  new york times has a content library one of the few content holders more prolific than you jason perhaps going back to 1851 right so they reported on literally the civil war right so that amount of content millions of articles

• neutral prediction Jason Calacanis

  this is going to be the most important lawsuit that we've seen in ai perhaps in technology ever

• bullish endorsement Unattributed

  you could give 10 million to the New York Times, 10 million to the Washington Post, 25 million, whatever it is, they'll put it to good use. They will.

• bullish endorsement Unattributed

  these language models should be excited to pay a license to a content company

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  this is slow growth company and they probably do need these opportunities.

• bearish assessment Unattributed

  they only grew 7% in Q1 now they do pay a dividend, they're healthy, but 7% growth is never where any company wants to be.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  the times closed, uh, Q1 of this year with 11.66 million subscribers total across all of its platforms and what I found was interesting is that they actually have a line item in their earnings called, uh, affiliate licensing and other. So I presume we're going to see all of this Amazon money flow directly into that, which means that we'll be able to track pretty closely how much money actually comes in from this partnership, because that was only 63 million in the last quarter, 64 million, which

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  this buys them four to eight quarters of growth, which is awesome.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  the New York times secured an AI deal with Amazon. And this surprised me because as we know, uh, New York times has sued open AI and Microsoft over copyright infringement. And so to see them go land a deal with Amazon's AI arm Alexa, uh, a couple of things. So the deal is going to provide summaries of times content inside of Amazon products like Alexa, and then also provide information to quote, train Amazon's proprietary foundation models.

• bullish prediction Unattributed

  I wonder if this could eventually be some significant double digit percentage of their revenue, which would give them the ability. Let's say this became eventually licensing deals like this, 20% of their revenue, 30% of their revenue. That means they could theoretically hire.

• bullish prediction Unattributed

  I'm assuming this is a nine figure deal and I'm assuming it's a five to 10 year deal. And, you know, if that's the case, I wonder what this would be in terms of the overall mix of the times is revenue eventually.

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  I think they want to do licensing deals for their content. They just want to get paid for it and have controls. So I think this is a way for them to say, to open up AI, look, this is the value that you stole from us. Amazon is willing to give us this level of deal and you just took it. So now they're proving in the market, the value of their content to a language model.

• mixed assessment Unattributed

  it does feel to me like they were leading the charge and now they're almost hedging their bets in a way.

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  reporting about tech leaders and tech communities impacting other people is a pretty standard bit of reporting here. And I think public records-

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  I thought the beast was incredibly even handed and did a good job giving a lot of space to Zuckerberg's team to talk about how he cares about the community and so forth.

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  I think the New York Times wants to foment and wants to send red meat on this issue.

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  It's for clicks and it's for a specific point of view. Because this story has been reported a hundred times. So that I'm still asking why now.

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  This is disgraceful because this is a level I'm going to coin super doxing. What the New York Times did today was they super doxed Zuckerberg.

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  I think this is disgraceful and it's meant to foment the affordable housing crisis, hatred of billionaires.

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  if you look at the new york times they're hiring writers specifically who are anti-tech and who want to hold tech accountable literally the new york times has predetermined that tech is guilty and is making hiring decisions based on who is the most anti-tech let that sink in the new york times the paper of record is hiring the most anti-tech uh journalists they can find and they're explicitly saying we're hiring journalists because they have a proven track record in being anti-tech and holding t

• bullish assessment Chamath Palihapitiya

  New York Times is doing this to hit their goal of 10 million subs by 2025. If they had 10 million subs in 2025 paying, you know, 100 bucks a year, you know, it's a billion dollars a year in revenue. Pretty great.

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  The New York Times is the Amazon of media. See, they're really on a massive acquisition.

• bullish assessment Chamath Palihapitiya

  But the New York Times looks at it and goes, well, we can reduce our churn. We already have subscribers.

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  it's probably a great purchase, it's probably a great deal for the New York Times

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  That is a great deal for the New York Times because the Athletic has a great subscriber base.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  The New York Times has launched a Telegram channel.

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  You layer on link baiting on top of that. You layer on their desire to get subscribers by picking a side. Like the New York Times, you know, felt like left moderate, but now it feels like it's MSNBC and then other people feel like they're going super far to the right to catch up to Fox. And it's just gross to even click on those links. Like every week here in Silicon Valley, we have another tech company when the New York Times is just dunking on them and trying to destroy them.

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  If the guy appears to be on the run, there are likely multiple lawsuits and multiple legal investigations. Like we've confirmed, I think that the SEC and the DOJ were investigating him even before the collapse of FTX. So you have like actual legal questions swirling about the, the behavior that is not the time to do a smoochie let's get inside his head piece where it's just like, well, maybe he just like, um, got distracted as opposed to reportedly built a back door into his own system. So he co

• bearish criticism Jason Calacanis

  The piece was softball piece. It was a softball piece.

• bearish criticism Ben Smith

  the new york times the big networks were were very very powerful and had and were in the process of really i think profoundly discrediting themselves

• neutral fact_claim Ben Smith

  the new york times would put out it it's edition that midnight and if you wanted to know what had happened say in new york city during the day you could wait for that or i could and that's where i saw an opportunity or i could just write it down and blog it and you could see it 10 hours earlier

• bearish criticism David Sacks

  if you go back like 50 years ago, you had Walter Cronkite saying, and that's the way it is, everyone believed him. And then the New York Times was the paper of record and people believe that's fit to print, right? Exactly. And so but that's been steadily eroding for decades. And now the internet is the final erosion of that. And, and look, I think that's, it's not an alter, it's not a bad thing. Because in order for journalism to work, you need all the journalists to buy into a certain code of j

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  Like there's there's no point calling the New York Times to figure out what the hell is going on in the world. Really what they should be doing is deep analysis.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  Yeah, I mean, the New York Times, Washington Post will run an AP story from time to time. Exactly. Not all the time, but from time to time.

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  yang cared too much ultimately his achilles heel was caring too much about the very online voices on twitter like the new york times and we've just seen that eric adams has proved it's all a house of cards nobody really cares what they think

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  the new york times is trying to get andrew yang cancelled and to get more people to subscribe uh by being part of the woke mob

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  This is why a lot of people feel the journalists at the New York Times shouldn't be on Twitter, because it creates this murky relationship.

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  So much ado about nothing in a way, but it does speak to just how lost the New York Times is in their ability to just be objective and cover a story.

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  this is where Kevin Roos makes the cardinal sin of making himself the story. And I think that that's the big angle here is that the New York Times is writing a story about themselves and their relationship with Facebook, which is incredibly complicated because Facebook is also giving millions of dollars to the New York Times, I believe cynically in an attempt to curry favor with them.

• bearish criticism Chamath Palihapitiya

  No, and it came from his dad. And they have a super complicated relationship. And so it was like the one person where you couldn't have necessarily guaranteed what would come out of Errol's mouth. And it was still so supportive of Elon.

• neutral fact_claim David Friedberg

  And isn't the New York Times run by a family of four? That's not really that poor.

• bearish criticism David Friedberg

  Has anybody stayed neutral, Matt? I mean, like, if you look at Reuters or AP, it's clear the New York Times, MSNBC, they've just gone full. Subscribe to us if you hate Trump. You know, we're going to give you what you want.

• bearish criticism Glenn Greenwald

  The New York times knows that the ACLU knows that. And so, yeah, I think they're all not, it's not just that they've lost their credibility and can't get it back, which is absolutely true. As Matt said, it's also that they're now captive to that kind of, uh, prison cell that they built for themselves, chasing the sugar high that Trump provided.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  The New York Times had severe financial difficulty. There was talk about whether they would have to declare bankruptcy because their balance sheet was drowning in debt and Trump saved them all.

• neutral fact_claim Chamath Palihapitiya

  And so what's happened is journalists have became tribal, they get big followings, they give spicy takes, they pick a side, and then their compensation follows it. And that's why New York Times said, Can we all stop on Twitter? And they literally put an edict out.

• neutral fact_claim David Friedberg

  to you know they were leaning they didn't expect them to pick a side do you think we

• bearish criticism Unattributed

  show me the washington post new york times that's like digging in to that malfeasance or that lack of oversight and holding them accountable in a way that you feel exposes this problem to create change

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  He could have a partnership with the New York Times.

• bearish criticism David Sacks

  the mainstream media, the New York Times and so on, quotes ISW. If you go look at the citations, it is the single most cited authority by the mainstream media and they are consistently wrong.

• bearish criticism Bari Weiss

  when I left the New York Times, the free press was barryweiss.substack.com, and it began as a reactionary product, honestly. Like, now it's transformed itself. But it began as me being so pissed that they were ignoring and lying about so much.

• bearish criticism Bari Weiss

  And what we're desperately trying to do at the free press is to be the bridge. And what I mean by that is to marry the standards that you would once expect from a place like the Washington Post or the New York Times. In other words, everything is rigorously fact checked. When we get something wrong, we publicly correct it. Like all of those old rules, but marrying them to the sort of political freedom of the new world.

• bearish criticism Bari Weiss

  I think I began at The New York Times as a reformer, believing that I could make a difference. And God bless the people who are still trying to do that. I think there's a role for both. I think what has made me more of a radical, not politically, but just in terms of my posture, has been that I've become someone who believes that the way to change those institutions is not to give money to those places or join the board of them or delude yourself with the idea that you can transform them from wi

• bearish assessment Bari Weiss

  The thing that began at the margins and at the fringe has moved into the center of American institutional life. And that is the story of the transformation of The New York Times.

• bearish assessment Bari Weiss

  the very places that used to be feeders to the New York Times were no longer feeding in your sort of standard center left liberal Democrat. They were feeding in a kind of person who believed in something like revolution and believed that their job was to foment that inside the New York Times.

• bearish criticism Bari Weiss

  if you look at the kinds of people that work at the New York Times, they went to the same 10 boarding schools or fancy schools and the same 10 colleges, and they marinated in the same set of ideas, and they want their kids to go to the same schools in Brooklyn Heights or the Upper West Side. And that creates this very particular group thinking phenomenon.

• bearish fact_claim Bari Weiss

  something like 95 to 98 percent of readers at the New York Times, and I'm choosing that only because it's the experience I know most intimately, regard themselves as liberals or progressives.

• bearish criticism Bari Weiss

  Once the business model shifted, you no longer were as concerned about, although you still are to some extent, about enraging, you know, Procter & Gamble. You're worried about enraging the reader, right? This is the phenomenon that so many people have talked about, which is audience capture

• bearish prediction Chamath Palihapitiya

  I read that. And I thought, this is the peak of these deals. These deals will only go down in terms of dollar value from here.

• bearish criticism David Sacks

  I do think that this outpouring of support does illustrate something important, which is just how much power and respect the New York Times has lost. You know, 10 years ago, if the New York Times ran a hit piece on somebody, even if other people didn't like it, they wouldn't want to say anything because they'd be afraid that they would be the next target. And that mystique and that fear has completely broken down. People kind of see the New York Times for what it is, which is basically a bunch o

• bearish criticism Chamath Palihapitiya

  The New York Times all of a sudden sees this information, probably doesn't bother to do the diligence, has a bunch of positive mentions, starts to pump him up as a leader of some kind of nefarious, crazy, scary rebellion.

• bearish prediction Chamath Palihapitiya

  I think they will in the next five years do something so egregious and over the line, akin to some sort of libel or some sort of statement that it turned out to be completely false. They will get sued. And I hope when that settlement happens, the person says, I do not want to get paid the $4 billion. I want this to be turned in kind into a nonprofit and into a public trust, and then shuts it down.

• bearish criticism Tucker Carlson

  I don't have a New York Times or Washington Post or New Yorker subscription anymore after a lifetime of having all three because they're totally irrelevant. They mean nothing. They're speaking to no one.