Moonshot AI

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• bearish fact_claim Nathan Lambert

  there are question marks that make me support the labs a bit, which is like these Claude proxies and these model proxies in China where there's a ton of tokens that are used and there's intermediaries and they have tons of accounts and even cases where Kimmy was serving Claude in their products to users.

• neutral assessment Unattributed

  if they were to build their models and try to sell an API from China, nobody would know about them. Nobody would know about Moonshot AI. Very few people would know about Jibu. And there's a very long list after this. And it was a very practical decision by them. They're following the discourse. They know there's going to be a huge market. They know there's a huge demand in the U.S. for paying for these things. And it's very practical. So therefore, like, releasing open models is a way to shortcu

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  One of the concerns that was floated with Kimmy is security concerns.

• bullish endorsement Unattributed

  I don't think you can sort of just dismiss what Kimmy has, you know, what moonshot has built with Kimmy by just saying it was distilled from American models.

• bearish prediction Unattributed

  it would benefit models created by open AI, for instance, and it would force enterprises to use those as opposed to using models like Kimmy.

• bullish fact_claim Unattributed

  this is a company that raised a billion dollars last year and most recently raised another 300 million with Tencent participating at a $3 billion pre-money valuation and they're dropping arse-kicking open source models.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  I don't think American companies are going to adopt open source Chinese AI models or closed source Chinese AI models just given tensions between the two nations

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  from the rest of the world's perspective this is an enormous gift and I find it to be honestly pretty encouraging and optimistic that we're still seeing this level of improvement and I just can't believe what a gift it is to have open source information out there of this magnitude

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  these models are competitive with kind of current state of the art and they're now absolutely free.

• bullish endorsement Unattributed

  They're legitimately open source weights and everything and they're very, very good.

• bearish assessment David Sacks

  So it is not a clear advance or a clear catch up to the leading American models. Moreover, you still have stuff in the labs by Anthropic and open AI that is way ahead of this.

• bearish criticism David Sacks

  Point number two is that China has not caught up. It's true that Kimmy K3 scored really well on the arena battleground for front-end coding for web development, but that's just one test. That's this one dimension. There are areas where it scores really well, but there's lots of other areas where it doesn't score that well.

• bearish assessment David Sacks

  Then the details started coming out. So Ben Thompson, on his blog, went through some of the cost numbers and it turns out that Kimmy K3 is not that much cheaper to run. There's not a significant cost advantage to it.

• neutral fact_claim Unattributed

  Michael Kratzios, friend of the show, said, quote, we have information that Moonshot AI distilled Anthropics fable for the development of its K3 model.

• bullish assessment Unattributed

  China's Moonshot AI released Kimi K3, open source model, obviously. Performance on par, on par, not six months behind, not 12 months behind, but now on par with models like Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.6, which in and of itself is extraordinary, but about 50% cheaper.

VentureSignalScore 46.4/100 for moonshot-ai, composed from 2 of 4 components (emerging formula), discounted ×0.85 for 50% signal coverage