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I would say late 90s and early 2000s, Oracle was a place that built very, very complex software. If you think about it, Oracle built a distributed system on Linux and one of the first largest scale company to be able to do that. And that was a courageous decision that Larry made. I distinctly remember going from Solaris to Linux as the core platform. And to be able to build a large scale distributed system in that time on a Linux as a platform was a great learning experience for a number of us.