SPEAKER_00: 11 labs text-to-speech gpt correct it generate a story for me then convert it to an audio book two

SPEAKER_04: paragraphs yes yes wow and then see the first thing it did was it it came back to me so what's the voice that you want to do it in and i picked jarvis and so then it did the story for me and

SPEAKER_07: then it generated the audio and if i go over here now the story that was generated i can play it

SPEAKER_08: and let's listen metropolis beneath the shadow of towering skyscrapers lay a quaint little bookstore that seemed almost forgotten by time so that's jarvis from uh

SPEAKER_14: iron man avengers iron man yeah i'm not sure what he made his debut wow that's wild

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SPEAKER_25: and i've got my good friend my bestie sandeep madra here he goes by sunny his real name is sandeep he's the co-founder of definitive intelligence you can go uh take a look at their website definitive.io they do all kinds of data analysis of private and public data with their ai enhanced uh system their platform and uh we get together here every week usually on mondays but we've both been traveling to go over uh the latest updates in ai the latest updates in ai and we do that through demos we've done over 100 demos you can go see all of those demos at this week in startups.com slash ai boom that's

SPEAKER_28: it slash ai how are you doing sunday i'm doing really good i'm excited you know there is so much stuff

SPEAKER_32: happening and uh we should just get right into it okay give me the first one okay the first one so this one is super cool it's called hume and i think that's how you pronounce it i'm going to just

SPEAKER_33: h-u-m-e hume i would think it's hume yeah yeah exactly and it's hume.ai got it hume.ai and what they

SPEAKER_32: do is they basically um predict call quality attention and mood using an ai model and so this is important i think in a lot of customer support use cases or sdr use cases where you're trying to do or even if you're doing a podcast and you want to basically get an understanding of you know how you think people are interpreting it so i i took this it takes a few minutes to run so i had to kind of do this beforehand but i took kind of a short clip of yours and basically i took one of their models and i had it classify it and basically uh you know it kind of did the classification around uh you know whether

SPEAKER_06: you're self-confident or self-doubting just by looking at your video and as you can see here jay

SPEAKER_43: count you will not be surprised you came 99.39 um self-confident wow um you know what they say fake until you make it i mean if you believe it and you believe in yourself i mean so jay cow this is it

SPEAKER_45: right like we've got to send this in our poker group but like oh god it's hilarious yeah so literally

SPEAKER_48: you took a 30 second clip of me from the podcast yes and hume ai determined i am 99.39 confident and 0.001 in other words i'm delusional to a level that this computer system this ai has finally unmasked exactly how delusional i am um i you know i have so many thoughts on this but um the ai can't be wrong

SPEAKER_54: can it that's my first yeah i think maybe a larger sample size um yeah and so basically it has a bunch

SPEAKER_06: of great models obviously i tried tried this one self-confident or self-doubting but they have uh parkinson's versus non-parkinson's for wow health-related alert versus drowsy attentive versus distracted so you can imagine for the people that are still working from home and if you layer this into like a zoom or maybe even you know vinnie's thing which they renamed to roomie now imagine how

SPEAKER_56: powerful this could be like hey are your people even paying attention when they're on zoom yep yeah

SPEAKER_60: and so there are a series of apps that do this for sales people they've been around for a while

SPEAKER_25: what i like about this is you're uploading the video you're not doing it in real time i take it yes

SPEAKER_60: yeah you're doing this um as coaching for individuals so i kind of like this um as a in a way it's kind of like having a speaking coach uh you know people will hire those to take out the ums and the ahs or hey make eye contact when you do this look directly into your camera so you know one of the things i have a problem with is especially when i'm moderating right uh which you do kind of the the moderating job here you're reading so i wonder if when you're reading like and you're queuing things up if that is distracted or if that screws with your confidence right whereas when i'm commenting or like you know take the oil in podcast i'm moderating i have to like take a series of facts or i might be fact checking somebody or pulling up a chart so i wonder like what impact that has on the

SPEAKER_25: sentiment analysis or these emotional analysis confident versus not confident uh distracted versus non-distracted but all of that's really good stuff and um yeah you know i think this is going to be built into zoom eventually uh so zoom will probably give you some tips hey you know what you look a little

SPEAKER_60: sleepy um so this could be creepy and dystopian but here we are what do you think is it accurate let

SPEAKER_56: me start with that do you think this is accurate yeah well look i i only did like a couple of test things and but you know what i liked about it is exactly what you said um it allows you to kind of in an offline capacity go and address that and i think especially with the growth in the creator economy with so many more people trying to do you know uh podcasts or make videos this is a great way to get an analysis like i you know i watched this really good video by uh colin and samir they were explaining like sort of uh the challenges they have a twitter video versus the other platforms and the amount of analysis that they do on a video right in terms of uh just the regular analytics of where are people falling off and where are they coming in and and all that this is just another layer now because you can you can add that to your repertoire right and so if your landing page looks terrible

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SPEAKER_76: at squarespace.com twist it's interesting how obsessive people get about these uh you know it's why i like podcasting to a certain extent when you're not on video because you can just focus on the words and

SPEAKER_25: just absorb that in the conversation but increasingly people want to watch videos and then people are obsessed with clips so we do clips of this show this weekend just double click oh the clips will

SPEAKER_81: always beat the actual original program but the original program you get people having a deeper

SPEAKER_25: understanding so i kind of call it like drive-by sampling hors d'oeuvres versus sitting down and you know doing the full tasting menu as it were right so they're different experiences sometimes you just want to grab and go you know i'm just going to grab a quick hit i want to see one demo of this weekend startups ai demos on mondays you know i just i want to see freeberg riff on science i want

SPEAKER_85: to see chamath do markets i want to see sax do ukraine ukraine ukraine whatever he's into at this moment

SPEAKER_60: in time um and you know that might fit you know uh you know uh scratch your itch so to speak and so i think increasingly you know there are a group of people who only know certain podcasts from the clips

SPEAKER_25: and they don't actually have the uh wherewithal the attention the desire some combination of those things to consume a whole podcast i think the people who consume whole podcasts are your really serious audience and then you have the secondary audience which doesn't make it invalid but they just you know they're just kind of snackers you know they're grazing on the content they're grazing and that's okay too um sometimes you convert one to the other right sometimes people just listen to the whole pop but they think the clip is funny but more often than not i think people go from like yeah watching a clip on tick tock or increasingly youtube shorts and then they find out oh there's a whole

SPEAKER_89: podcast maybe i should subscribe to that yeah yeah and that's why i think there's a whole new genre of

SPEAKER_25: people who are like why do a podcast i'll just do clips all day i'll just do three or four clips and then

SPEAKER_91: i hope that some hit i find that you don't get the depth of podcasting with that right and so yeah

SPEAKER_94: it's kind of a missed opportunity but it is valid you know to get a short people like shorts

SPEAKER_32: yeah yeah so you know i think these the team's done a great job they made it super easy it's

SPEAKER_98: it's very usable they have like a playground like you'd expect and so um yeah would you know what

SPEAKER_25: language model they're using or what visual model they're using for this maybe tell us a little bit

SPEAKER_28: about the technology behind this and how it works shared a lot so my my my understanding by going through the website is that they've taken models and tuned them themselves right so they've taken

SPEAKER_32: models and given it or maybe even created the models that wasn't super clear where they've said

SPEAKER_56: here's a bunch of folks that are look to be confident here they look to be you know not confident

SPEAKER_06: so this is the this is the i want to call it fallout but this is the next derivative of all this

SPEAKER_32: work that's happening in standard generative ai people are looking at those techniques and applying

SPEAKER_107: it to even create their own models if you were going to build this from scratch how would you do it

SPEAKER_56: i it all comes down to the training set right so i would use the same training uh philosophy that's

SPEAKER_98: used to build large language models um and i would basically have a bunch of video that is you know

SPEAKER_32: labeled uh you know confident non-confident and then basically give it to the to the model to look

SPEAKER_25: at and learn right that's the beauty and then you would have to you'd have to like take that original data and say you know this person's like an actor yeah like is the reason i'm coming across as super confident in that clip because i was actually confident or because i've done 2000 podcast episodes i wonder i wonder if it's a performance thing or it's actual reality that's why i was wondering about the accuracy of this so i would need to see more of this i i would need to put into this you know like um let's just say you know the top talk uh bill gurley's talk at all in summit

SPEAKER_60: you know he was super confident he was funny yeah he was pretty confident in his position because he had experienced it right and then you know see what it says because he also has a bit of a southern axis from texas he's got a slower pace he's very humble so you know said another way you know the

SPEAKER_25: training data could say maybe he's not confident this is what i'm wondering because he's humble right uh or he's super confident because they're an actor right and so yeah i really need to get a lot more information on this to see if it's really really working what i would like to do here

SPEAKER_62: is i would like to run a test this is how i would train it i would have you give me a series of

SPEAKER_119: questions and answers jason what's two plus two let's say four you say well how confident that's

SPEAKER_59: absolutely two plus two is four and then you say okay what's the square root of this you know 20

SPEAKER_122: digit number yeah and yeah i'd be like uh you'd be like that's not confident you know unsure and

SPEAKER_25: then or i would say give this as the answer and you would give me a piece of paper or on my screen it would say this is the wrong answer i made it up and you say it but say confidently and i'd say it's super confident as a wrong answer and we try to trick it right yeah and so you could have it lie right hey what's your name can you say my name's vinnie and i say no your name is sandeep and you say no my name's vinnie and we go back and forth and then we tell the language is lying i wonder if i could tell lying i mean this is what's going to happen to dovetail this story with apple goggles

SPEAKER_92: yeah i'm not calling it vision i'm calling it goggles because they look like ski goggles i mean

SPEAKER_25: you put apple goggles on and now i'm talking to you or i'm out in the real world and we're wearing this at a poker game but i actually know you're lying or bluffing interesting oh what about

SPEAKER_06: that use case you're wearing the you don't need the apple ones you can just wear the meta ones that

SPEAKER_131: just look like regular sunglasses because all this needs is a video capture yeah and then it just

SPEAKER_133: buzzes your ankle two times on your right ankle means not confident lying and the left side means

SPEAKER_60: confident you know probably has it i mean this is going to be really really interesting and i wonder if people if you uploaded clips of a player so like let's say we play with jason coon or you know phil helmuth and if you uploaded all their clips from when they played tv poker and then said hey they're

SPEAKER_137: bluffing here yeah hey they have it here oh that's your training data you go and that's your training

SPEAKER_60: data and then see then if you could actually take jason coon and break down his game in some way

SPEAKER_143: or if he's in fact unreadable you know like top elite poker players versus amateurs it can be really

SPEAKER_85: interesting yeah figure out what the live reads are so there are people who think they're good at live reads all right so this will be uh but this is going to totally change the game with those meta

SPEAKER_146: glasses because those are awesome you can buy them in like regular glasses like not sunglasses mode so

SPEAKER_56: you're gonna have to tell people hey you can't wear those i don't know if you saw my tweet the other

SPEAKER_25: day and what you think of this but my position with google glass was and i told this directly larry page like okay you have to when this thing's recording or turned on have a light yeah it should have a light that if it's turned on it's green yeah and if it's recording it's red audio or video

SPEAKER_94: and you know i'm not big on regulation you know i'd rather the market dynamics you know sort of

SPEAKER_91: define this but i don't know what do you think of that like if the standard was you know it had to be

SPEAKER_156: green if on red if yeah so the snapchat glasses they used to have a like a kind of a circle right

SPEAKER_158: doing it right now did it did the circle go on when you're recording yeah exactly yeah and then the

SPEAKER_32: humane pin i was just at a dinner with one of the co-founders and then she had it and it has the same

SPEAKER_06: thing when it's recording it's very clear that it's recording and it's active how do you know it's

SPEAKER_35: recording is it red it has like a like a light on it yeah like a like a very distinct blinking red

SPEAKER_91: light it's not a blinking red light yeah this is what i think these guys are cowards i'm not humane

SPEAKER_25: they're probably yards too but i think these um folks are cowards in the in the wearable space to put on a red light because they think oh it's going to be scary i think it's the exact opposite i don't think they're thinking straight if these things are going to be adopted in society and people

SPEAKER_85: are not going to get punched in the face for covertly recording people who are kicked out of a bar like the glass holes did back in the day the google glass holes oh yeah i remember you remember

SPEAKER_25: that the woman got punched or something i mean i'm not for physical violence but i am a realist like if you came up to me with like i put a recording camera in my face now everybody's paparazzi you see what happens when like people do that to celebrities over and over again like people snap it's not the society we want to live in yeah so everybody should yeah there's a human

SPEAKER_72: human fight apparently when it's recording yeah right flashes like trust light i like the name

SPEAKER_129: trust light but i don't know the color of the trust light like on a video camera back in the day remember

SPEAKER_146: those like those that's what i'm basing it on when you had a video camera they put a flash they put

SPEAKER_173: the red light on it or a flashing red light i give this one um i don't know how good it is uh you know

SPEAKER_25: potential i think it's obviously like this is incredible i'm gonna just withhold uh my judgment and just give it a b minus for now uh you know i don't i can't tell right now from the interface i don't know how it's trained okay that could be you know me just not playing with enough but i'm gonna give it like a b minus right now i think it's got potential i want to really understand why when it

SPEAKER_180: that fact that it's at 99.999 confident that that just makes me not believe it so okay i would need

SPEAKER_32: an explanation of some incredible score like that okay all right i give it a b i think it's like early you know i was just pulling it up as we were doing it there they've that model is only trained on 80 videos which okay yeah um you know which one could argue is like maybe not a big enough training set

SPEAKER_06: but maybe we can hear back from the team and see what they have to say to us what you're where you're

SPEAKER_184: at yeah and then yeah they can get a lot of questions to have on right see right here it says trained

SPEAKER_04: on 80 videos so it's like uh so i pulled that one up so right you know what i'm gonna give mine a b

SPEAKER_186: because okay i'm gonna go from b minus to a b because they did explain that um and i was the

SPEAKER_25: reason i was kind of like a little down on this is because i didn't feel like when i looked at the earring face originally that it gave me enough context to give you know like uh the square yeah

SPEAKER_02: that was because i was in the playground if you go into them yeah i think it's the same thing and

SPEAKER_28: you know there's a lot to learn from there and uh you should have them on i like the idea though of also

SPEAKER_94: you should be able to do that with health data with health data and knowing if you have early

SPEAKER_25: onset parkinson's or alzheimer's or you're slurring your words like i think this technology if somebody

SPEAKER_60: was on a zoom call and was speaking or if your phone was listening to you persistently if you start slurring your words if it knew if it just gave you an alert hey you're slurring your words are you

SPEAKER_25: drinking alcohol or do you think you might be having a heart attack or we noticed you didn't get you only had three hours of sleep last night you didn't get any rem sleep those are the three reasons you could be slurring your words and you just dismiss like i get the loud alerts you ever get the loud alerts when your kids scream or something yeah so my girls like to scream when i

SPEAKER_199: you know play tag with them whatever so i'm constantly getting these alerts yeah yeah that the decibels i'm going deaf from my girls i'm playing tag awesome i but i mean you could do that

Chamath Palihapitiya: right you could just be like hey you might be having a lot of potential there for someone to own

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SPEAKER_56: short this is going to be an update on one of our bets which are also available at this week in startups.com slash bets and just a quick short one i want to get your reaction so this one um this is

SPEAKER_06: an analyst i follow like a chip analyst dan neistat on x the iphone 16 regenerative i expect to launch debut in september with the a18 chip with you know the latest that so this is a little tease and you

SPEAKER_213: know you know i know this is real i'm just going to click this article here and it's like fully in like you know it's like some which means it's like you know this is a real deal like someone knows

SPEAKER_173: what's going on there so that's kind of uh i mean that was a big portion of our league setting gadget were either executives who worked at the company or you know shenzhen akihabara factory express where

SPEAKER_20: they just love the thing and they would just send us a picture from the line when they were making a star attack or some nonsense yeah and we would get it from them this has like the whole like some

SPEAKER_54: you know some kind of slide right out of some presentation talking about the different you know

SPEAKER_62: chips and all so we don't know but what they're saying is there's going to be the a18 chip which is the

SPEAKER_186: chips that go in phones as opposed to the m chips which is a series of chips silicon that apple makes

SPEAKER_222: that goes in laptops and the a18 is going to launch with the iphone 16 with iphone 16 which is the next one yeah and september okay and it will have generative ai is going to debut and we have a bet

SPEAKER_94: yes for july 1st we do if these models will be built into the phones correct and so i'll just pull that

SPEAKER_56: up because we have the bet site here we now have the bed site which is yeah so i'll pull this week

SPEAKER_226: at startups.com that we're making and i think our bet was that it would be announced or released

SPEAKER_229: uh that's the question we said deployed locally on phone models deployed locally on devices okay

SPEAKER_25: you win this one i'll win this one yeah i win this one no doubt because you know what the phone's not

SPEAKER_81: going to be in your hands until yeah the fall so i think i'll win this one so if we had made the bet this is where if you're a gambler the definition of the bet matters because we didn't bet that it's

SPEAKER_25: announced and then yeah if you were going to bet it was announced we'd say announced officially announced so this is announced yes unconfirmed yes announced by apple so there's three different bets we could have made leaked announced officially in your hand and so yeah i win this one i think then

SPEAKER_54: we just and i i i i gave a little like concessionary i think is going to be i said it's going to be

SPEAKER_238: close it's going to be close i appreciate that i appreciate that yeah yeah all right okay so that was

SPEAKER_239: just a quick update on our quick update on our bets yeah yeah but it's a thousand dollar bets by the way folks we're making a thousand dollar bet so we settle up somebody could could sting could sting and

SPEAKER_28: i and i like to hear that history of how you guys are getting the scoops because that's kind of my

SPEAKER_61: my scoop angle as well okay okay so this one is super exciting um i actually it's it's an area that

SPEAKER_56: i'm i'm passionate about personally so this is a company called forever ai that's how you pronounce

SPEAKER_129: it frvr ai and what are vr dot ai is the website correct it's forever without the vows exactly and

SPEAKER_32: there are like a bunch of seasoned game folks that have basically taken ai to uh create sort of cat these small casual games and so we're gonna do like sort of a live demo here where um yeah here's

SPEAKER_56: a game uh you know that you can play and basically yeah exactly and i say oh you know what that's cool so let me just die here okay so what we're going to do is we're going to take this game and we're going

SPEAKER_32: to remix it and so i'm going to click this edit button here i'm going to click remix that's going

SPEAKER_34: to open it in their editor and what i can do is i can say uh make the ship shoot dual missiles right

SPEAKER_32: and what i can do is and i just hit enter there and what it's going to do is it's going to go through the code right live and this is doing it and and it will basically edit the game god yeah and um

SPEAKER_06: and basically now you see what and so yeah and then the other thing you can do is i can just go

SPEAKER_32: in here and i can say let's just change this enemy and let's create a a different enemy so let's imagine this and give me a yeah make it uh donald trump 10. okay now that they won't let you do it you know the content filter yeah i think the content filters all right let's just try try doing darth

SPEAKER_256: vader okay make it look like darth vader how about this how about a uh make try to see if it will do like

SPEAKER_257: adjacent to the lord head how about that right awesome yeah okay imagine now you click imagine

SPEAKER_208: and you see what happens and then you click imagine and so it's going to um do a gen generation here

SPEAKER_32: and um what what's really amazing is um and they've got lots of different game styles here from side scrollers to you know these shooters to space invaders to asteroids but what this is going to do

SPEAKER_06: for game creation it's like what we the way i think about is what we saw happen with youtube and video

SPEAKER_32: we're and you know i believe video games have surpassed even um yeah wow it just made kylo ren and some very creative garth raider looking that and you can see now so now i can play it again and now i have the uh oh my god isn't that wild it's genius and yeah and and you can you can do even more sophisticated things than that but yeah um and and then you can basically publish this game so you

SPEAKER_269: go back here and you publish it so it's democratized a number of things you've democratized game publishing

SPEAKER_60: and you've democratized writing code yes this is and you're making the analogy to how youtube democratized

SPEAKER_25: owning a tv network you know a channel on youtube is essentially like having a channel on your cable box so mr beast is like he's standing you know next to msnbc and cnn and you know tnt whatever hbo uh absolutely brilliant absolutely mind-blowing yeah it's kind of getting here faster than i thought if i'm being honest we're in year two of large language models the absolute creativity and insanity here is awesome they did narrow it right so because you're editing an existing game that narrows i think um what the ai has to do so we didn't start with a blank piece of paper and say i want to make a game uh that is like a nintendo game yeah that has a sith board you know so it's it's not quite that yeah but it obviously is two jumps away from that so you're editing an existing code base i got to give this an a i'm sorry for giving high scores of late but this is literally mind-blowing is getting so good like we're

SPEAKER_06: we're kind of in a in a world where it's really impressive like and look you've been probably close yeah close you look you've been in content creation from the beginning yeah and you've seen that transform and you know you've definitely seen the video game industry and this is going to fundamentally change it so you think about roblox epic games and everything that comes in and around it i think we're going to see a massive explosion and another prediction i'll make is i think we'll start to

SPEAKER_32: see creators now as well where youtube was the platform that was needed to to highlight creators yeah and i think we're going to see video game creators because right now people create these

SPEAKER_04: games inside these platforms we don't know about them so we're going to see that as well someone's going to be known for creating really incredible games in that way rather than them being companies

SPEAKER_280: will see individuals doing it just like you know people have created great podcast news channels you

SPEAKER_25: know email newsletters these things you know even drudge report you know as just a solo reporter think about how he changed history with the monoclewinski bill clinton scandal and you know other ones that he broke you know a solo artist a solo creator uh being able to create something just as one individual that generates a million dollars ten million dollars a hundred million dollars you know dj's doing that right there are djs who make tracks just them on a laptop with a starlink connection you know on a boat boom just changed the world now that might seem obvious now but i can tell you having grown up as the generation gen x is the generation that spans these pre-internet post-internet pre-online post-internet online now you got a generation that's going to be pre-ai post ai post ai wow yeah so just let's pause there for a second and recognize that our kids uh are going to remember they'll be the generation that remembers the time before ai and the time after ai they would have submitted a school report at least my older uh child would have submitted a report without ai and now they're going to be doing it in college with ai they're going to have done my younger kids who are seven they're going probably only remember submitting term papers or doing art with ai they're only going to remember

SPEAKER_91: an ai world they probably won't remember the time before ai yeah um and this is going to be like a whole different way of looking at the world born in the year 2000 like you don't know the world

SPEAKER_296: without the internet you don't know the world without online yeah when i explained to people what it was

SPEAKER_60: like to get movie tickets yeah just the act of getting movie tickets and yeah going and seeing a movie

SPEAKER_222: so going to wanting to see a movie required going to a movie theater and it required going to a movie

SPEAKER_60: theater when the movie was playing because there wasn't a virtual jukebox video player in the sky called netflix or you know disney plus where you could just get star wars anytime if we wanted to

SPEAKER_119: see star wars we had to wait for the summer when they re-released it and it was so popular that every year they would re-release star wars before you had to open the newspaper find the time then you'd go

SPEAKER_06: yeah wait in line no you'd wait in line maybe even for that yes time right yeah for that time and

SPEAKER_25: and you just got a ticket that was red green or blue yeah and it had a number on and they just ripped it in half and handed you your stub back you need to keep your stub so you get back into the theater if you went to the bathroom or something and there was no arranged cheating and you couldn't watch it at

SPEAKER_94: home and then vhs came out you could watch it at home and we were like whoa we can watch empire strikes

SPEAKER_25: back anytime we want like that's all of a sudden happening in this ai generation it's going to be wild their expectation is that everything the other one travel agents are the other one remember like

SPEAKER_222: yes if you wanted a ticket explain to people if you wanted to go somewhere in the world if you wanted to go to tokyo what did you have to do or you want to go to like them like you'd go like the mall or

SPEAKER_06: strip mall yeah and there would be like a business and you'd walk in and they'd be sitting on a desk and you'd sit down with them and then you'd tell them where you'd want to go and then basically they would be on a screen and they would maybe type something terminal they had a weird terminal

SPEAKER_02: exactly yeah and then they they would give you a price and that would be it and then they print

SPEAKER_222: your tickets yes print your tickets and you needed to bring a giant envelope with you remember

SPEAKER_02: they had that red thing too yeah because it'd make multiple carbon copies yes and then you'd have to

SPEAKER_222: then not lose your tickets those yeah if you lost your ticket yeah you lost money and you could sell the ticket so i could take my ticket to france yeah and hand it to you and sell it to you then you can take that ticket to an airport and say i have a ticket to go to paris and they'd say okay when do you

SPEAKER_64: want to go and you'd hand them the ticket that was paid for already and they would put you on a flight

SPEAKER_222: it was bizarre yeah your name wasn't even in the system as you on the flight necessarily there was no system there was no system you bought five tickets they printed them they exchanged cash with you you took these five magical pieces of paper and they let you on the flight with the paper yeah

SPEAKER_331: and if they oversold every year you watch home alone you know if you watch home alone during christmas

SPEAKER_334: yeah they have paper tickets it's bizarre it's just absolutely insane sorry for two old guys

SPEAKER_337: having their minds blown yeah we're kind of like oh my god i remember back in the day everything you

SPEAKER_64: experience sunday for this generation they're going to say well i don't like it that way change it

SPEAKER_91: you know that's a great movie but i want the protagonist to be a woman a boy you know an alligator

SPEAKER_341: you know and okay i i give that an a i give that an a yes yes what are you giving that i give it i'm

SPEAKER_32: an a plus like i'm really yeah i am i'm a big believer in the video game economy and what's

SPEAKER_06: happened with it and i've been a gamer for a very long time and so to see the ability for that ecosystem

SPEAKER_25: to explode is very exciting i love age of empires even in my older years i love playing a real-time strategy i'm sort of playing the frost giant game those are the people who made starcraft and they're making like a new uh real-time strategy is the rts is my category okay uh command and conquer age of

SPEAKER_81: empires uh starcraft you all fall into real-time strategy it's you know like you build the

David Friedberg: civilization you can collect resources you then build weapons you mine gold yeah or whatever it is

SPEAKER_25: yeah wood yeah meat yes uh stone and gold in age of empires yeah it's a lot of fun my daughters are

SPEAKER_173: into it now too so yeah i'm literally gonna buy three pc gaming laptops so we can all play age of empires together and you have a land party again we're literally gonna have a land party

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SPEAKER_365: we're going to go back to uh you know the folks that kind of kicked it all off they've launched some new features recently back to chat gpt okay this is open ai's chat gpt so here we are in the well-known

SPEAKER_07: interface so what you can do now is you can say you know i'm uh thinking of flying to new york tomorrow thinking of flying to new york tomorrow and you can just say at kayak oh and see now is that right

SPEAKER_374: yeah are my options so you don't have to go hunt and pack to go find that's exactly it so within your

SPEAKER_06: command line yeah and so uh yeah so just give it allow here and so within that you can basically at

SPEAKER_302: mention sweet um all the different gpts that are in there yep and so and you don't even have to know

SPEAKER_186: if a gpt exists you just be like at open table at redfin at exactly amazon and just see what happens

SPEAKER_302: yes yeah and i think this is really smart for by them because you don't you know when this all

SPEAKER_06: started so we're just seeing evolution by them remember they kind of had these kind of apps and

SPEAKER_380: you had to add them you had to plug them in yourself yeah they were just not in line plugins initially

SPEAKER_04: exactly then they became sort of gpts now they're just within your command line so as long as you like recently used it or seen it and you could you can see it here and you can see the flights are

SPEAKER_383: coming up now it doesn't book it for you but yeah you can click it'll send you off to kayak to book

SPEAKER_64: it well hopefully that would launch the app if you had the kayak app on your phone or yeah it should well because this was kayak see i i want to have it have at uh united yes you know like i i want to just do at united at jet blue because those are the two i like most i like jet blue exactly well they

SPEAKER_137: need to make a gpt if they want to be they need to make a gpt why don't you try that do a new one

SPEAKER_06: and see if there's an at united uh or you have to kind of discover the gpts first so the way they did it is like you have to have been through them so i don't think there's like a united airlines i don't

SPEAKER_388: see one in here yeah yeah it's kind of just not yet so if somebody works at united

SPEAKER_25: airlines like get on this you gotta you know this is like that whole race where people didn't have websites then they didn't have apps now they don't have gpts now i gotta like drag everybody kicking and screaming to add a gpt but it's gonna be incredible you know this is like the beginning of the super app like uber where you just can you know keep adding features to it and yeah god bless

Chamath Palihapitiya: it's gonna be awesome so i give them um what do i get for that i think it's like a b it's a b it could be

SPEAKER_06: better good it's a good new feature but it's gonna make it exactly what you said is it's making it such that you can do more within your chat gpt interface which is smart by them and going to

SPEAKER_105: continue to put them in front of a lot of folks in the race to be the internet's apex aggregator

SPEAKER_25: yeah i mean yeah listen if you're the platform you're the aggregator and then you have a certain number of users everybody has to build it like i just said there's no jet blue you know in the early days jet blue was like oh we have a web responsive website just use that and i was like but i want an

SPEAKER_67: app you know everybody's like i like an app i like to have a pretty little button everything okay i'll make an app and wrap our website in it and then they're like but your website doesn't work well in the app it's like okay i'll make a responsive app yeah i'll make an actual app yeah anyway i give

SPEAKER_331: this a b could be better but it's a great start it's like it's just a feature and it puts it in there i think it's it's worth thinking about okay now would you add to it if you were sitting there

SPEAKER_85: brainstorming i had one thing which is i want to be able to do it without having to add them first

SPEAKER_137: right and i want to be able to do multiple right that those are the two things that i really found

SPEAKER_06: like you you have to kind of have discovered them first and i don't want to do that right and i want to use multiple i want to say you know the ticket then then open table and a few of them together exactly

SPEAKER_29: so we're both b's solid b's b yes yeah sandy b for jacob let's keep going that's it okay so just on

SPEAKER_331: this um same track uh what we're gonna share is last friday i believe or thursday okay so you know

SPEAKER_32: maybe uh we're like four or five days ago hugging face launched something called uh their assistance

SPEAKER_04: and so what they're what they've done is they've kind of created an open community uh so to create their own gpt so gpts um so let's bring everyone up to speed three million were

SPEAKER_302: available at launch and so this was launched four or five days ago they already have three thousand

SPEAKER_91: whoa hugging face yes has their own gpts now correct okay and the language are they written in like

SPEAKER_62: how you know what's the standard here i'm assuming it's some sort of open face uh some sort of open source approach here or you can write any code you want exactly and you can

SPEAKER_06: kind of plug it in to um you know they kind of follow the same template and framework as as open ai but instead of having to build it using open ai you can kind of build it with your whatever back end you want and it becomes available in their ecosystem here so is it portable so which is to say

SPEAKER_80: can i take this one and use it at chat gpt i don't think so i don't think they're portable right now

SPEAKER_25: yeah so this is going to be this is where somebody could this is where hugging face can do a lot of damage they could just say we're going to make an open source standard these apps are portable so

SPEAKER_425: the chat g what does chat gpt call them now gpts gpts gpts yeah do they own the ip around gpts

SPEAKER_208: gpt is a common word or do they own that yeah gpt is a technology right it's kind of like saying so they

SPEAKER_427: can't own that so yeah portable gpts or making a gpt standard would be a great thing for hugging face

SPEAKER_06: to do yeah okay so you can see here when when you create one you go kind of go through a similar process and you know we did one of these when gpts first came out and then you can pick a few different models here that you want to have behind it so disruptive yes but um what i would say here is look now you're just starting to see the ecosystem go in two different directions with gpts you're limited to using their models here you can kind of pick between mixtral llama oh so pick the

SPEAKER_435: metal one i want to pick the metal one let's pick meta sure llama okay this is zuckerberg's open source

SPEAKER_133: and you saw his announcement with his stock ripping thank you yes yeah uh so let's uh name ours let's name

David Friedberg: mars healthy recipes okay okay and the description is um make healthy recipes well this is the

SPEAKER_439: description okay i'll make healthy recipes whatever yeah like this is not the instructions right

SPEAKER_441: instructions right right you'll say uh you'll act uh as a world-class chef okay so you're giving the

SPEAKER_436: prompts you'll act as a world-class chef that provides healthy recipes healthy recipes uh to your

SPEAKER_445: users oh i gotta log in here okay but i get it you could put the all the instructions and you could

SPEAKER_25: say listen we don't want to use those oils now you people tell you don't use all these oils right and then you can say hey we're not going to use these uh vegetables that have inflammation you're not going to include these you're not going to include that you're going to you know keep sugars to natural sugars and then boom it just starts making your recipes i love it exactly exactly um fantastic this is great so like this is where like if you're going to build a startup in ai you're going to need to have training data as a differentiator brand or the accoutrement the tools the features around the ai right and so yes yeah okay and i'm i'm working on like 2.0 of my vision for the inside stuff i showed you

SPEAKER_94: yeah yeah and i'm going to show it to you because i got a i got a new team working on it i switched teams sometimes you got to switch teams you know switch teams the team did a great job on the first part

SPEAKER_25: but i wanted to go with a different type of team to build it and i realized well everybody's going to

SPEAKER_91: be able to summarize the news that's like table stakes like it's not going to be a big deal so i came up with two ideas on top of that that okay you can't replicate that have network effects so anyway i i've been thinking through like okay all the cool little things you can do summarizing finding whatever that's all good but there's another layer that you can't which is the network the brand etc so look for an inside app coming soon for this this is another one where i'm going to give it a b plus to give it room to grow but yeah it's totally fantastic what are you giving i i i'm going

SPEAKER_457: to be a little bit um i'm going to be a little bit higher there because i i what i like about this

SPEAKER_06: is embracing the open source ecosystem and so i'm going to get put them at an a because what they're really doing is embracing all the different models all the different companies that are putting models out there and so that's going to lead to a much better ecosystem for us and you can see the open approach yes it's much better for everyone could could you say i want

SPEAKER_81: to build like a two-layer you know app i think they call these assistants is there so they call it assistance assistance instead of gpts could you build one that says hey step one we're going to

SPEAKER_25: help you write a script using llama you know you're a director you're your screen provider step two is we're going to take that and we're going to make a movie out of it using you know instead of using the the llama model what's the visual one you use stable diffusion maybe what's the video one runway.ml i think that was runway.ml right so like you got to build it in two steps kind of situation really interesting i'm going to give us a b plus i think it's great yeah okay awesome let's do one more and

SPEAKER_67: then we'll wrap the show another great one okay another great show uh you can see all of our uh ai

SPEAKER_229: demos at thisweekandstartups.com okay i'm gonna go back to uh to chat gpt for this one as well because

SPEAKER_06: i thought this was pretty cool and you know it's it's a use case which um is really i i think is going to take off it's using the 11 labs you know we've had them on before i think you you guys even do a bunch of work with them and so uh what i did here was i said generate a short story for me then convert it

SPEAKER_28: into an audio book two paragraphs and i did it using the 11 labs text-to-speech gpt 11 labs text-to-speech

SPEAKER_00: gpt correct so generate a story for me then convert it to an audio book two paragraphs yes wow and then

SPEAKER_04: see the first thing it did was it it came back and said well what's the voice that you want to do it

SPEAKER_06: in and i picked jarvis and so then it created it did the story for me and then it generated the audio

SPEAKER_07: and if i go over here now the story that was generated i can play it and let's listen metropolis

SPEAKER_08: beneath the shadow of towering skyscrapers lay a quaint little bookstore that seemed almost forgotten by time so that's jarvis from uh iron man avengers iron man yeah i'm not sure where he made his debut

SPEAKER_243: yeah wow that's wild right and so like look at the number of things that have come together there the

SPEAKER_32: story generation is coming from you know the model right gpt4 then you have 11 labs doing their text to speech um as well and then yeah think about what we're going to be able to do very very quickly here

SPEAKER_25: and that's crazy yeah and then the question becomes like if i'm writing a novel yeah am i not going to use this and then i'm going to start i wonder if people are going to start saying this is organic 100

SPEAKER_64: human like literally the label 100 human no ai inside like i know it sounds crazy and dystopian

SPEAKER_04: yeah but i think people are going to start your next book your next book would say there's no ai

SPEAKER_64: no ai ai free like you know how some people are into organic non-gmo they put labels on food i wonder if we're going to start labeling content like this is organic right so that's impossible

SPEAKER_91: well i mean no it's not i mean people make acoustic music and they just say like imagine

SPEAKER_64: i said this is one take acoustic music i take out my guitar i play the song and you get to experience

SPEAKER_94: tracy chapman i never saw that at the grammys the grammys yeah that was great huh i mean i was i

SPEAKER_491: got a lot of feels from that yeah but the you know like whatever 30 years later i saw your tweet right

SPEAKER_81: yeah i used to listen to that trait that tracy chad chapman outman meant a lot to me because i

SPEAKER_25: was eight 17 18 years old when it came out a 17 years old 1988 and i was going to fordham and i i got i had a cd walkman you know and i would you know get a bunch of double a batteries i'd pop that in there and that was like my guilty pleasure was listening to that album on the way to to school uh you know fordham i went at night and i would commute and then to see her you know she's kind of you know um doesn't perform i guess publicly or whatever all that out of the spotlight completely

SPEAKER_306: yeah first time in a long time that she's perfect she was just so powerful then you see the guy

SPEAKER_81: singing with her who had done the cover of it and he's just in awe of her yeah it's just like a great

SPEAKER_06: like multi-generational awesome moment we're noticing a lot of things like she had no monitor like just old school right yeah you know yeah that's what i was noticing when she was playing

SPEAKER_25: there's some very intricate finger picking in that song yeah yeah um and i was watching for the finger picking and stuff like that and it's just like you know i think with this ai stuff just like we're going to be like free range chicken as opposed to factory raised or no hormones no gmo whatever you know organic food whatever i think that's going to start happening where so much of what we consume is so processed content wise the words the music etc that people might say you know what i just want to see a human do this without the computer just like you might want you know some people might like to go to electronic music festival and watch somebody press the play button and then you know the dj is like moving a bunch of knobs i don't think they're actually changing anything i think

SPEAKER_503: they hit the play button the set list everything is already done right like it's kind of already

SPEAKER_25: programmed they're just jumping around and you know getting that you're kind of getting everybody hyped but it's kind of fun to see somebody actually do it as a human and say wow the human can do it too

SPEAKER_32: yeah anyway it reminds me of like classic classic cars like there's a tesla yeah which is incredible and super safe driving somewhere like you know but then there's like an old corvette mustang

SPEAKER_59: yeah yeah well yeah and then you think about those cars so i think that you can get in there and change

SPEAKER_510: the carburetor you change the spark plugs you could yeah you know adjust the timing a bit yeah yeah

SPEAKER_511: everything you can tweak it and then think of this all these cars now can drive themselves can

SPEAKER_25: be remotely controlled i don't know if you turn this on on your tesla but you can turn the cameras on and it's like a remote camera system did you turn that on yet in the app yeah i've seen that yeah

SPEAKER_28: where you can turn it on and kind of look around the car yeah i've seen that yeah so like when your

SPEAKER_511: car is in your driveway you can be in bed and you hear something outside you turn it on you can see all around your car so your car is like eight security cameras it's pretty crazy um yeah and

SPEAKER_25: you can see you can turn the inside camera on except if the car is moving then you can't turn it on so because some safety there um but i was just thinking if you don't want to be tracked you could

SPEAKER_269: get in a mustang leave your phone at home drive to mexico and have a wad of cash and drive to mexico and

SPEAKER_48: just disappear or you could have your phone and your car and you know live stream it for the entire world in hd it's like yeah the world has changed that much and this past year it's changed incredibly

SPEAKER_25: um all right so what do we give that from you basically created an audio book soup to nuts i mean

SPEAKER_222: it's in a prompt in a prompt i mean jarvis who's like one of my favorite characters right yeah well

SPEAKER_524: it's also an actor who probably should be getting paid well i'm sure 11 is like you know they're 11

SPEAKER_526: probably licensed it from him yeah yeah on a flat rate i bet he should be getting paid per minute to public when you when you hit you should be able to listen to it but when you publish it you should have to pay like a dollar per minute or a dollar per hour or something you should be getting some

SPEAKER_25: residual i give that a b okay right now i would give it an a if it actually uploaded it to a store and let people buy it not necessarily audible because they're going to not let you publish this

SPEAKER_81: stuff to audible yeah but if you could publish it to distro kid or whatever those third-party

SPEAKER_511: tools are like my friend film made where then there was a store where you could buy the audio book that would be kind of cool so yeah i give it a b it's incredible it's extraordinary yeah yeah i i'm kind

SPEAKER_32: of there like b plus like it's all stitched together a bit and so the only thing it needs to go to like the next level it needs to be totally seamless publish get on you know the thing is it's

SPEAKER_06: all inside the gpt ecosystem i want that on my phone and i want it in my you know yeah oh here's the

SPEAKER_25: chapter headings here let's do the cover so it's like it's it's like it's getting there but i give it a big all right listen been incredible it's been incredible great episode if you would like to be

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SPEAKER_25: ai to see all of the get the playlist and everything see all these bets and everything we're doing it's incredible um yeah just uh at mention us on the twitter or the acts formerly known

SPEAKER_91: as twitter at sun deep at jason yeah i'm still at jason left my account's been banned for asking

SPEAKER_541: somebody who they are you got you got pretty close there pretty close to my first twitter man

SPEAKER_508: in 15 years your your bestie jumped in for a second he jumped in yeah elon jumped in for people

SPEAKER_64: who don't know what we're talking about it was we can talk about it here at the end of the show yeah

SPEAKER_175: so there's a i'm not going to say the name of the account because i don't want there to be like pile

SPEAKER_25: on or i'm just trying to let this thing settle there are anonymous accounts on twitter that have gotten very large some of them have been funny like goldman sachs elevator right or and then some of them have been particularly hurtful to some some people feel they've been hurtful i'm not making

SPEAKER_81: any political judgments here but like libs of tick tock is an account and the libs of tick tock account

SPEAKER_60: i will talk about because that's been a very public one um there is a term called doxing now what do

SPEAKER_94: you consider doxing i'm curious before today and this whole brouhaha that i got into on x what did you

SPEAKER_56: consider doxing well you know i'm kind of polluted now because i've read the thread but like so i'm

SPEAKER_32: going to try to go back yeah yeah what i would have considered is basically um highlighting someone's true like true identity and public information like where they look like the whole doxing would be the

SPEAKER_242: whole like everything that's what i would have put it got it okay the package yeah yeah here's where you

SPEAKER_511: live here's where you work here's your name yeah got it exactly yeah public information yeah i've always considered doxing like here's somebody's location and i i understand that people feel

SPEAKER_25: differently about this we're going to need a new term doxing location doxing identity so i'm going to for the purpose of this conversation we're going to have i'm going to say doxing location doxing identity doxing location we can all agree no bueno dangerous don't do it now doxing somebody's identity means if they use a pseudonym they call themselves you know limbs of tick tock uh whatever that account is called does that person have the right to be anonymous is the question what do you think on social

SPEAKER_32: media well i don't know if they have the right to be anonymous yeah but i think they're trying to be anonymous right and you know it's on them to protect themselves right it's like most of the

SPEAKER_06: these accounts you know even we've had some in our own circles right that were close to us and

SPEAKER_32: then you realize this is one of our friends or something like that as well so fake chamoff is

SPEAKER_558: coming to mind yes exactly right a parody account right so there's a parody account yeah yeah and so

SPEAKER_32: i think the real challenge is is once once you're doing that like you have the right to remain that way no um but it's sort of i guess the double-edged sword that you get with um yeah and so with great

SPEAKER_25: power comes yeah so my position is hey with i simply asked and i did it multiple times because people kept

SPEAKER_64: asking me to cover yeah on the podcasts this one particular account i don't think your intent was

SPEAKER_364: like your intent wasn't like like who is this person where's his address it was like sort of like hey who is this person like who is this person i just had in the same way it was with fake chamath right like who is this like who is this person right and then i asked the person himself like

SPEAKER_332: who are you yeah like i'm curious because you're breaking in this to the person's uh credit they seem

SPEAKER_60: to be breaking news or somebody's using them as a vehicle to break news so correct to peek behind the curtain when you have these large accounts yeah there can be it could be anything it could be an individual who is just a random person commenting great that's like one thing it could be a team of

SPEAKER_25: people it could be a political organization it could be a foreign actor who wants to spread misinformation it could be a useful idiot who is being given information by a foreign entity to spread it or by clever people who are using it to spread it and so the question is you know these things can get very

SPEAKER_511: big hundreds of thousands of followers perhaps millions i don't know if any of them have millions

SPEAKER_25: yet and so i believe people should own their words i believe it's fine for them to try to be anonymous i believe it's fine for people to try to figure out who they are in that game of cat and mouse you don't have the right to be anonymous and have a huge following um and then it's okay for platforms too to have different rules it turns out the rule on x now for those formerly known as twitter is you i guess the rule is you can't reveal somebody's identity identity yeah that's what was

SPEAKER_574: made clear by elon right he said you cannot elon said you can't reveal people's identity and he wants

SPEAKER_25: to protect people because they don't want to lose their job i disagree i know this is incredible for people to think that you know two friends might disagree about something but there's different platforms reddit has got pseudonyms too twitter is going to be pseudonyms i like people to own their words and yeah it doesn't mean i want to actively you know have people get outed or whatever but i do think if you want to have a huge platform and you want to have impact in the world and cover things like politics or you know whatever or or do something full contact like the libs of tiktok account is very controversial because it's amplifying to a very large level things that are public already but that

SPEAKER_60: people maybe didn't expect that they would get brigaded when lives of tiktok highlights you know

SPEAKER_25: some live person saying something really stupid and then you know a thousand maga people attack the person or whatever so anyway i i think whistleblowers pseudonym accounts and anonymous sources they can all exist in the world i don't have a problem with them existing i also don't have a problem

SPEAKER_94: with whistleblowers being revealed it's dangerous but that's part of the the you know the choice you make as a whistleblower is that eventually you will be revealed you know that like it's almost a certainty pseudonyms you're going to be revealed eventually if you get any kind of credibility or uh growth and i actually think that publications like journalists rely on anonymous sources too much

SPEAKER_25: and i think if you that's where i think you can get people to understand the point we've all now seen anonymous sources are like a driving force of journalism now and it's way too much i mean you

SPEAKER_60: just go to somebody and you're like i'll give you anonymity if you say something crazy about this person and then you don't know if it's a lie or not and they gave the person anonymity it feels

SPEAKER_64: profoundly unfair to a lot of people and i think it's overused yeah anyway that's my position i don't

SPEAKER_06: know what you think what elon said is he at least put the stake in the ground and said look this is what

SPEAKER_32: we're going to do here and so now he's clear and yeah and he's made it clear and if you don't like that i guess you don't have to use twitter or x yes right and and look i sort of expect in other places that you know if i'm reading maybe traditional media that they're not doing what you're saying

SPEAKER_56: which it does happen where if they have a source they'll verify who it is and they don't allow the source they they may keep the source anonymous for the sake of the article but they may go verify who the person is yeah they will verify who it is yes yeah yeah and so that's going to be the

SPEAKER_98: difference between x and um maybe well not tradition if you want to know how they do that other platforms

SPEAKER_25: yeah you know let's say somebody was an employee of yours and they yeah wanted to leak a piece of information about a project you're working on the way they could prove that to a journalist is the journalist lets them contact them from their private email address and they say okay what's your linkedin page and you say oh this is my linkedin page so great um put the word in your bio uh put a comma after that word a typo you know put a typo there put two o's instead of one oh and then refresh and then tell me to refresh the page or refresh okay now take it out refresh okay now they've confirmed it's you yeah nobody else knows how they confirmed and you know now you're off to to the races so hopefully journalists are doing that kind of thing where they try to and then making sure that

SPEAKER_81: that that linkedin page has existed for a long time and it is followed by other people the company whatever um but you know then the question then there's like all these edge cases that came up what if a journalist outs the libs of tick tock account which i think taylor lorenz did taylor lorenz found out who the person was and then wrote a story about it recently yeah um

SPEAKER_25: if she did that in the new york times or washington post but didn't do it on tick tock did she get her

SPEAKER_511: x account banned no she didn't do it on x she didn't do it on x yeah she didn't do it on x okay now she links to her story where she did it does she get banned slippery slope man i don't know i

SPEAKER_448: would say yes in that case i would say yes because you link to it and so it's the same thing now if

SPEAKER_94: you link to it after the story comes out and say i disagree with this they shouldn't have added this person and you link to the story did you dox them yeah i think if you link to a story where

SPEAKER_202: somebody got doxed are you done i i don't think so i don't think i'm responsible at that point yeah no because the story's already out i think you're going to do the original doxing right

SPEAKER_25: by the way just a piece of advice somebody who's had security comes don't run an anonymous account at scale if you have security concerns or turn this account off to start a new one with a different persona and then roll your account so that because you the longer the footprints out there the greater the chance they're going to get you you know and then figure it out and these people do have ways of figuring it out they they figured out who um startup jackson was remember that startup

SPEAKER_607: jackson parker it was parker worked very closely with you yeah they figured it out i think because

SPEAKER_186: they took his tone of voice and then they used ai to check another thread i think no no no no i think so i think or they used some sort of software to say like what words did this person use in common and it was yeah so anyway people owning their words that's a good little short discussion we have here about

SPEAKER_175: it okay all right uh yes so don't don't dox anybody don't obviously location anybody is gonna ai

SPEAKER_415: will figure it out though that maybe that's where we're gonna figure out who they are

SPEAKER_274: now someone's gonna say i just did this to use ai to figure out who they are

SPEAKER_25: i could also protect you you could say yes hey i want to say this yeah but say it for me in a way that's not traceable and not in my voice so there's a tip for people who want to stay

SPEAKER_67: anonymous is use ai to rewrite what you're writing yeah you don't even know you're on ticks uh okay

SPEAKER_622: we'll see you all next time bye bye hey everybody i talked to a lot of founders here on this week in

SPEAKER_623: startups and as an investor and they tell me the same thing over and over again they want two things from me more face time and money they want me to invest in their companies and they want to spend time together so we've been working here on a new meetup program we call it founder fridays and founder fridays are an event by founders for founders this is an event that is hosted in cities by people like you if you're listening to this week in startups you're a founder so what are you going to do at founder fridays you're going to get together with other founders in your community it could be four or five of you it could be maybe up to 30 of you in a location pick a cafe pick a co-working space i like to go to a great mexican joint or maybe a dim sum restaurant you know where you can do shared food have a couple of cocktails maybe you do it on a friday you get together and you host it now why is it important for founders to get together shouldn't you be at home just focusing shouldn't you be in the office just focusing on your startup well if you get together with other founders true founders who are in the arena building like you are you're going to get a lot of value from that because you can trade notes with that other founder about what's working at your startup and what's not working the truth is if you're facing a problem there are hundreds of founders out there who have probably solved it already and instead of you banging your head against the wall when you sit there and you talk to three or four founders you're having some dim sum you're you're splitting the quesadilla some prajitas somebody's oh you know what i had that same human resources problem oh i had that same technical problem oh i had that same marketing problem and they might tell you about a tool or a service that'll solve that problem for you this happens over and over and over again when i do founder fridays with our portfolio companies now we're going to give you that same experience but here's what i need you to do i need you to host this in your city so you're going to go to this week in startups.com meetups that's it and you'll see a landing page where you can sign up and you can say i want to host in my city now your city may already be hosting so you can just join that person and what if you go to this event and you learn some go-to market strategy that 10x is your growth that might unlock funding or you might be talking to somebody they say hey i'm a marketplace too i'm not a competitive marketplace your marketplace is for used cars my marketplace is for hairstylists whatever your jam is whatever you're working on but they give you some technique that you didn't know about to increase your supply side or get more demand in your marketplace and you 10x your business i see this happen all the time and founders are like mutants right and i'm like professor x here i'm trying to put on cerebro and find all the founder mutants in the world and then have you get together and do your own little meetup and here's what you're not going to have to deal with you're not going to have to deal with a bunch of service providers trying to sell you software or services and you're not going to have to sit through a bunch of passive speakers you can listen to this week in startups and get the greatest speakers in the world on your own time and you're not going to have to pay for a ticket to a conference or get on a plane or fly somewhere no this is about having an intimate experience with five ten maybe two dozen other founders in your city please go to thisweekinstartups.com meetups if you are a founder this is for founders by founders only if you are not a founder this event is not for you you can start your own meetup for lawyers accountants recruiters this is for founders by founders we vet everybody to make sure you're a founder and if you host it it's a non-commercial event our first founder friday will start on february 2nd so please mark your calendars and we're going to do these on a rolling basis you can join an existing meetup if it's already occurring in your city or you and one or two other founders can start your own we're using a wonderful piece of software that we've invested in called river you can sign up for a river account just by going to thisweekinstartups.com meetups we've already got hosts and attendees lined up in san francisco new york city toronto los angeles las vegas london and even in india so this is your chance to connect and if you didn't hear your city name you can start your city go to thisweekinstartups.com meetups