SPEAKER_00: look at this folks there's no one in the driver's car with a crazy spoiler obviously a lot inspired

SPEAKER_02: by tesla from byd they kind of steal everything but watch that what it jumps also this look this

SPEAKER_04: isn't this this is a mclaren not a tesla jason this does solve the enormous market hole for

SPEAKER_05: billionaires running from the cops who are on a poor road who need to jump over a pothole to prevent

SPEAKER_06: capture or a spike strip oh the spikes jimmy if you're in a spike even better i like it i'm

Chamath Palihapitiya: punching it up so yes that's what this is for if you're running from the cops and a special no this is like batmobile level stuff there's no functional use for this thing except for us to talk about it

SPEAKER_13: well played byd this is the point of cs come out with a feature yes that we can't help but talk about

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SPEAKER_21: website or domain hey everybody welcome back to this week in startups i am in a dark hotel room

SPEAKER_22: on uh in naseco on wednesday here at 10 p.m at night alex is in new york it's i guess 8 a.m there we're taping the show a little bit uh on an odd time for those of you who like to watch it live

SPEAKER_23: this week in startups is on youtube and x and we go live to my personal linkedin as well yep but here

SPEAKER_22: we go there's a lot of news going on i am in naseco which is in hokkaido which is the northernmost part of uh japan and i am skiing for a couple of days yeah where the greatest powder in the world exists i left naseco two years ago it was covered in powder i showed up again alex it was dumping powder

SPEAKER_28: and i was out there today and i did a couple of hours a couple of runs and then tomorrow i'm doing

SPEAKER_32: something very special it's called cat skiing so i'm going to be on a a cat which is that machine

SPEAKER_34: with the tractor wheels and so it's very strange and um it turns out in japan they had many many ski

SPEAKER_36: resorts those ski resorts a lot of them shut down because of population decreasing and they're not being a lot of families and skiing is like it's a family activity as well as like for individuals so

SPEAKER_22: one of these ski resorts that shut down they have just one of the lift lines open all the other lift lines are literally down there's no lift cable and it's just dilapidated so it looks like something out of the walking dead like an abandoned ski right right uh and so what they do is they just take eight people up there's two cats they take you up you ski down they take you back up you ski back down but

SPEAKER_21: every time you go on a trail you're the first person to touch it we call that in the industry

SPEAKER_23: in the business um first tracks yeah people will line up for hours before the ski mountain normally get first track so you're basically guaranteed to get full tracks so i am i've been

SPEAKER_43: in those cats but i've never i've never done that type of ski but i just we were talking literally the last show i think about the chaos and the crisis at veil over there mismanagement and then over

SPEAKER_06: in japan there's not enough people i i feel like there's a market opportunity here to take folks here

SPEAKER_22: it's very interesting you say that um the majority of people who are skiing here are chinese and australian and american yep and it turns out during this time period um during the ski season it's gotten so popular because it literally is the best snow in the world the volume of the snow alex is like 22 one to the volume if it was water in like other places it might be ten to one fifteen to one five to one so in other words fluffier yeah it's a very weird thing you hit a foot or two of this powder and your skis disappear but nothing else changes you're just floating on it so it is like the most uh

SPEAKER_02: amazing experience i have um and i feel very privileged to be able to do it all right tell me

SPEAKER_43: the truth how much did the niseko ski tourism advocacy board slip you under the table for that

SPEAKER_36: because that's a real ind you're making me want to go i mean i don't want to endorse it because i kind of want to gatekeep it um as the kids say these days but i gotta be honest with the audience

SPEAKER_23: it is like one of the wonderful things i get to do every couple of years the second time i've done it and uh maybe i'll get to do it two years in a row but uh yeah it is just my passion and i i really enjoy it and it gets me gets me through the year i just think about going for a week to japan and doing this and now my daughters want to go because i've been skiing with my daughters a whole bunch in tahoe and i'm really excited to take them to japan someday so anyway um this is all great but you know i felt really bad because i was started taking pictures of all this uh-huh and then i saw mark souster a friend of mine venture capitalist that he was like leaving his house and he was scared of the this fire and i'm like what fire i mean i was on a plane obviously and you know wasn't up on what's happening in the pacific palisades in malibu i used to live in brentwood brent was the town just east of pacific palisades and there is a fire raging as we speak yeah and a lot of homes have been lost and i think there's some deaths of of people and property damage is colossal and uh you know

SPEAKER_57: obviously animals and people's pets so i just felt really um i don't know let's have some context here

SPEAKER_62: jason so here is um here's a map of los angeles sure and here is pacific palisades up here uh now

SPEAKER_43: for those of for those of people who are not in the us i think they think of la as kind of a monolith can you just for just 10 seconds just tell us about palisades santa monica and what this means in

SPEAKER_36: the la context yeah so when you live in la you either live on the west side or the east side that's delineated by the 405 freeway and then there's the 10 freeway north of the 10 south at

SPEAKER_22: 10. okay so you get those is like uh almost like a four quadrant and in that top left quadrant is the what i would say is the most um the best place to live let's just put it that way uh santa monica a beach town many people have been there and just north of that beach town is the town of pacific palisades and then to the east of it you have brettwood and you know the getty center is up there on the hill and when i lived in brettwood um in that area that you're just showing there you know

SPEAKER_23: and i lived in a corporate apartment in santa monica when i was doing weblogs inc back in the day it's like a two thousand dollar a month apartment i was negative twenty thousand dollars in my bank account before we sold it and uh you know it's a great moment in my life in the early 2000s living

SPEAKER_36: there um you know they would there would be fires once in a while on the hills but they never made it to brentwood they never made it to pacific palisades really they they were something that happened way up in the hills um or you know or more east inside the inland and over time you know i started hearing people talk about because i had a wood shake root wood pieces of wood right you know wood shake and um i didn't have a lot of money at the time it was my first home and i would they would get dry and they would crack and i would have the roofer common take like a fix it and they would just touch it up for me guy said listen you've been touching this thing up for a couple years now you can't i can't work on it anymore because there's an ordinance because of the brentwood fire you can't have a shake roof you can only repair up to 30 percent of it and i've done that a number of

SPEAKER_23: times here you gotta get this done with composites and and fake ones and i wound up doing that but i was kind of bummed because i just loved the look of the wood shake roof but i looked online at the brentwood fire and this is something that happened you know many years ago i don't know if it was the 40s or 50s but it had gone down from the centermonic mountains and burned a bunch of houses and gosh you know there was this whole thing with trump saying like you got to rake the leaves you know he says things in a pretty bombastic way and here we are a week or two away from him taking office

SPEAKER_76: again he's not wrong forest management matters my best friend's dad was a professor of forestry

SPEAKER_77: at oregon state growing up and i learned a lot about this yeah yeah so this is like one of those

SPEAKER_32: instances where he says something and you're like what rape the forest i guess that's going to stop

SPEAKER_36: a forest fire actually correct and it turns out in la they have this like tragedy of the commons where you know there's a lot of land between people's homes and they don't really enforce enough people

SPEAKER_81: cleaning up the debris and there's a lot of debris up in those hills and then you have a santa anna winds something lights on fire a couple of of these and then there was the other issue the

SPEAKER_82: electric cables were above ground so the housing prices went up and up and up these houses became worth a thousand dollars a square foot then two thousand dollars a square foot so these are five or ten million dollar houses we're talking about here but um you know they they were saying

SPEAKER_23: this was going to happen at some point you know it was pretty well known that these mountains were not cleaned up all that often and the power lines are above ground same thing we have in the in the bay area or we have you know i've had in the bay area so it's just a real tragedy um and i just hope everybody's safe and and that they get this under control but it's getting really really bad because

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SPEAKER_43: california are suffering from climate change related insurance issues from different different different issues you know earthquakes and fires in california hail in texas and then of course hurricanes and other sorts of wind and water in florida extreme weather is a pattern yeah well the thing that i learned about this i forget which insurance executive i was talking to i think this is back when i was covering a lot of the insurtech companies back when lemonade and metro mile were kind of competing for market share and he said the thing that's killing insurance companies in the in the housing market is not just the super extreme stuff that makes all the headlines it's the less bad stuff that's now coming at a higher intensity so a big hail storm for example you don't read about a hail storm on the news but if it takes out you know ten thousand windshields and hurts you know five thousand roofs that takes a whole area of of uh low risk insurance and really changes the economics of it so it's it's

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SPEAKER_23: you know better systems to to help these things i would i did look at one time when these things were occurring in the north bay for fire i i had seen they use these blankets to go over cars to put them out on if you've ever seen these fire blankets and they there's a thing there's a thing called fire blankets you can pull it up on youtube and basically it's a it's a fire resistant blanket it has long

SPEAKER_22: cables on it you and i were firefighters there's a car on fire in the middle of broadway we unroll this thing you take one and i take the other we're 30 feet away from the the fire and the car on fire from either side and we drag it over the car lay it over the car and it puts out the fire because no oxygen

SPEAKER_23: it's like a weighted blanket these things are incredibly incredibly effective and i said to

SPEAKER_82: myself it'd be really interesting a blanket like this to go on top of somebody's home ah because it

SPEAKER_22: wouldn't make economic sense but here we go that's like looks like a rivian here yeah and these

SPEAKER_23: electrical um ones are really important because those fires um can take a lot of what they don't work for water but anyway you see them running that blanket oh this is brilliant because it'll

SPEAKER_77: cut the oxygen flows oh and then it crimps ah i love that you crimp it at the bottom yeah it really

SPEAKER_23: works these are fire blankets i started looking for a fire blanket to go over houses but i think we could also start thinking about just like in florida they're weatherproofing some of these homes by having the first floor 10 feet be like a pass through for water and then you're basically live

SPEAKER_111: on the first floor is essentially 10 feet up so that if there is a flood you know or flooding

SPEAKER_43: you can survive it i i i'm gonna have to do the thing that we do when we discuss something but we have to anonymize it ever so slightly i spend weekends by the coast often and uh on that particular drive there is a house that was built in the last 10 years and unlike every other house in this region

SPEAKER_114: between rhode island and massachusetts if you will it's jason it looks like it's designed for the zombie

SPEAKER_62: apocalypse like it's it's got these huge pillars and these stairs going up and if there was a hurricane

SPEAKER_43: that pushed water up 40 feet by the time we reached that elevation and then the second floor of that house it doesn't matter so it's like bulletproof from a hurricane perspective and i love it but it does look

SPEAKER_62: a little dystopian in a way it's not beautiful it's not aesthetically pleasing what people have done

SPEAKER_22: for that issue is they they actually close it off and you use it for storage or whatever or like a

SPEAKER_36: garage or whatever but it's made so that if the water does come up the panels or some number of the panels can just break out and the water just flows through yeah yeah so they have like a wind breaking

SPEAKER_62: out and uh in skyscrapers they have floors that are designed just to let wind go through right

SPEAKER_36: correct yes and so basically you have this whatever kind of panel there but the panels if pushed you know with your hand very hard or with water they just pop off and then the water flows underneath so there's a bunch of startup opportunities here as we talk about on this week in startups put your mind to these and there were when these fires were occurring uh my house had a sprinkler system on top of the shape roof and it wasn't working it had been disconnected by one of the owners but at some point they had put literally a rooftop sprinkler system because after the brentwood fire whenever that was they were scared and they put sprinklers on the roofs for the shake roofs but then

SPEAKER_23: it turned out they got rid of the shake roofs you didn't need to have that but there could be other fire retardant stuff you could put in tahoe and in the mountain regions where you have all these fires so there's a big opportunity i think for startup founders to start thinking about composite materials fireproofing these things flood proofing these things and that's a way where you maybe don't need insurance because hey this thing can survive the major things and i maybe have a high deductible

SPEAKER_111: or something there's a lot going on in the news as well you're not kidding though one last thing

SPEAKER_62: on this there's that sauron system that's coming out that's the new like security system for people that's a i think it's a startup i wonder if we're going to see similar things like that like you know here's the fire department in a box for your house type thing for certain higher-end customers anyways yes lots to talk about on the show i want to start jason with something from ces we had a founder on the show a week or two ago ceo of the company behind codium they built the windsurf ide that i tested with and built a little app yeah well they got a shout out from someone who we all

SPEAKER_77: know and i thought i would just play this because it's kind of a fun little uh shout out to a twist

SPEAKER_132: offender company here's jensen really fantastic stuff uh codium uh every every software engineer in the world this is going to be the next giant ai application next giant ai service period is software coding 30 million software engineers around the world everybody is going to have that's enough

SPEAKER_43: of that but it struck me it's so fun to see yeah uh you know we just had them on and you know no no offense to us i mean i like to think that our words carry a little bit of weight but jensen on

SPEAKER_138: stage in front of literally every single press in the world yeah that's about as big of a shout out as

SPEAKER_23: you can get i think it's great congratulations to that startup um if you can and you know the number of developers in the world is 30 million it's a very small number there are cities in china that

SPEAKER_22: have 30 million people like many of them uh and so it's but 10 or less than 10 of the population of the united states are developers globally so you know being able to expand that number dramatically through software uh through ai is going to have a profound impact like super profound impact on the

SPEAKER_23: world and that's i think going to be a very world positive one one that's great maybe being debated right now that's world positive i think is the announcement has put out like a five minute video which i guess uh we got to talk about here at the top of the show because everybody's talking about

SPEAKER_22: it yeah and i maybe you could just queue it up for the audience if yeah they've been under a rock uh and obviously this is close to your art because you're a journalist and i've been pretty vocal about this kind of stuff too and it hits on so many different things from you know media fact checking standards misinformation disinformation uh and of course something you know that's the number

SPEAKER_147: one item in our constitution uh free speech free speech yeah and so here we go zuckerberg uh i guess is uh gone based and he's gone he's gone something i i want to get to your tweet about it

SPEAKER_62: but let's just break it down for people so first of all facebook is moving away from third party fact checkers they are moving towards the community notes model uh originally called birdwatch back at twitter community notes under x and uh has has very much become associated with the musk x era of social media if you will and what i thought was very important in meta's commentary the announcement of this they didn't say you know we are looking at the market and learning they just said

SPEAKER_43: x community notes be like that we're going to do it and i thought that was kind of very clear and honest of them um they are also going to be allowing more total speech they are changing their speech rules for their platform making them more expansive we can talk about what they've changed in detail jason if you want um but the gist here is that automation and more moderation thereof haven't worked for facebook and meta the way they wanted them to so they are going to essentially let people be a

SPEAKER_62: bit more freewheeling a little bit more self-policing um starting in the us other jurisdictions of course

SPEAKER_43: have different rules but that is i think a fair top-level summary of the changes on the content

SPEAKER_22: moderation side yeah it's um it is a let's start with community notes it's an incredible project uh predates you know twitter turning into x and it's it's actually an open source project so i don't know if you're aware of that uh and it's um which means anybody can use it i'll just send you the link

SPEAKER_23: here you can pull up the github page um or if you're typing github community notes anybody can go

SPEAKER_22: find it and so i i believe anybody can go take a license to this and use it it's a very fascinating piece of software and i'm are you part of community notes by chance i do not believe that i am okay you can apply to be part of it and what's really interesting about it is when you see a pro you can go and like look at community notes yourself or um when you're reading a tweet if you see a proposed community

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SPEAKER_36: slash twist and what happens is people are rating each other they've invited a small number of people

SPEAKER_22: into it who they trust who they know who they are and when you look at one you might say i think that this is a good correction because it's easy to understand it's factually correct and it's site sources so it's it's kind of like inspired in some ways by what wikipedia does um we have reputation and a community of people kind of debating stuff and these things get kind of voted up and down to which community notes gets seen so to game it is extremely hard just like gaming the wikipedia was extremely hard

SPEAKER_73: for a long period of time now you do have an issue with wikipedia now because it's there's a bunch of people who you know baked accounts for many years and then they do edits for pay let's say um and you

SPEAKER_22: know maybe community notes will have that issue down the road it's none of these systems are perfect but it's it's it's really does pretty well uh community notes i think whereas fact checking through multiple organizations i think when they decided to do that it was and this is where like zuckerberg's

SPEAKER_36: motivation comes into play here and and that's the really important thing to think about zuckerberg really cares about business really cares about winning i believe his primary directive is winning

SPEAKER_23: he's got i don't know close to 3 billion people using these platforms he was more than happy uh and and this is what i wrote here you know listen zuck kicked trump off the largest platform in the world when that was the popular decision this was my tweet from you know when i was a little jet lagged here

SPEAKER_36: now he's bending the knee and firing the sensors he enabled because that's the popular decision he is the definition of a front runner of kamala one he would be doubling down on censorship i actually believe

SPEAKER_81: that i believe you know he is the motivation here i think it's not that he wants to do the right thing or he's suddenly seen god or he's had an epiphany because the timing of all these things

SPEAKER_111: simply correlates with who's in office oh absolutely 2016 was when fact checking began on the platform

SPEAKER_43: after a wave of misinformation or disinformation or just crappy information and then now with trump

SPEAKER_05: coming back and i'll say uh some pretty mean things i mean trump threatened to put zuckerberg in jail

SPEAKER_62: yeah so back to like you know i don't think we can i don't think we can say you know don't take him seriously literally threatening someone with life in prison jason's a big deal like come on of course

SPEAKER_171: i but i will say like just for the sake of the next four years like he i'm gonna just say like he says bombastic stuff he's not able to do that but what he would be able to do is maybe uh break

SPEAKER_36: facebook apart or pick the people in office that might have that just like biden picked lena khan who wanted to break things up in big tech and not do m a you know he will have his chance to pick people like brendan carr or whatever who match his philosophy so it might not be the god king comes down and biden says break up google it might be biden picks lena khan lena khan says we're breaking up google and the same thing goes for trump right that's kind of how our democracy works for better

SPEAKER_173: or worse so i mean i i can i quibble with that just a little bit i think that having someone come in

SPEAKER_43: with a particular antitrust perspective is more meritorious than going in with a particular animus against one company or an executive and trump agrees totally fair that's totally fair yeah trump agrees that his threats work quoting from politico uh incoming president donald trump said the new approach was quote probably due to threats he made against the technology mogul so trump thinks he got his pound of flesh here and i i think this sets the tone i'm not even making a

SPEAKER_62: judgment here i think this sets the tone for the next at least year of trump's administration

SPEAKER_43: because he'll have a grace period before presidents become less popular as the terms go on historically so he'll have a period of time when congress is under his party he's a new you know newly elected president not stuck with years of incumbency and so i think during that period of time we will see more of this i just that's disappointing to me as someone who likes the free market versus

SPEAKER_82: kings now the good news here is um i don't think they were actually using any of this fact checking for anything it wasn't actually being implemented on the site in any major way it was strictly a way for them to deflect or pretend they were doing something what did matter

SPEAKER_36: was the decisions they made and and we talked about this on the program many years ago was this oversight board uh which you can go see at oversightboard.com zuck funded this back to the

SPEAKER_22: tune of like 150 million it was originally like 10 or 20 million there's a higher saw 280 is the latest

SPEAKER_189: number that i saw now that's probably the total over time i saw once but like a lot of money a lot of

SPEAKER_21: money to put a bunch of like let's face it like very elite academic people into a group and say hey

SPEAKER_22: when we make decisions for these what is it almost 3 billion people using our platforms yeah and it's well over 2 billion you know we're going to let you adjudicate some of them and give um you know your decision as opposed to us making the decision and fact checking you know is different than the terms

SPEAKER_36: of service but let's pause for a second these are all companies that get to choose how they operate them reddit is pseudonymous they you don't have to use a real name linkedin gotta use a real name okay yeah one's a message part about video games and whatever and the uh or you know it originally is a video game about like hobbies passions the other one was like a business network like business is not where you got to have real names like what's the point and so you could have all these different things exist but this is big because it is the largest and if you were to look at

SPEAKER_22: zuckerberg's decision making he also it's super important oh here we go uh oh my god it's over

SPEAKER_03: 3 billion 3.29 billion this is a q3 number and that was a five percent year over year so we'll have

SPEAKER_43: to see what it is now in uh at the end of 2024 but that's the latest from their earnings report 3.29 billion people jason is more than uh well there's about eight and a half billion people on the planet something like that yeah if that number isn't right uh i plead the fact that we are doing this nice and early well anyway i mean it's literally there in the document so

SPEAKER_22: um over three billion people using this platform he kicked the president off uh for the safety issue the open board the oversight board said hey that was like a weird decision like maybe in the short term

SPEAKER_36: like if you thought there was going to be another january 6 and you know maybe trump would incite it that was actually the common thinking man i know that's not something people really want to talk about now they kind of memory hole all that moment in time but there was a moment in time republicans and

SPEAKER_157: democrats were in unison like hey trump might say something even crazier and cause like january 6

SPEAKER_36: times 10 or 100 there was like an actual fear from republicans from democrats both sides of the aisle and the media like oh my god like what do we do here if he tweets like everybody instead of coming to the capital everybody come to this location everybody come to that location let's give him hell here let's give him hell there it just felt like he was out of control at that time i'm talking about trump here and that this could be crazy and and maybe people got even more people would get hurt or people could get killed right um because he had so many followers and that's when twitter banned him youtube banned him it was it was in unison everybody banned him you know at the same time the oversight board then came and said hey we're going to uh overturn that basically here's our advice and then there was this whole thing where is that going to take their advice or not i just want to put it out there so people are super crystal clear he's the god king he has what's called super voting shares he controls and rules this three billion person network with an iron fist

SPEAKER_209: however however if but 10 percent of people were to stop posting because they disagree with his

Chamath Palihapitiya: decisions yeah he would change his decisions he cares about winning that's why the number is so big that's why it's 3.29 billion yeah because he cares so much about that number going up he's addicted to

SPEAKER_36: that stuff i know him i know how he thinks uh and you don't need to be a genius you don't you know i don't have a personal relationship i don't want to overstate it here but i i know him since i since he started his career yeah um you know in fact the first time i met him was when he it was a private social network he wanted to win more than anything he wants to be accepted he wants to be popular all this stuff and the reason he has three billion people is because he's willing to do whatever it takes so as an entrepreneur listening to this week in startups he's like the perfect example of somebody who's win at all costs and he sees now that winning at all costs meant kick trump off the platform because that was the popular decision to censor people that was the popular decision do not let people talk about issues that they can talk about on other platforms

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SPEAKER_20: in fact i just had to reload it because they'll get into my instagram had to do it because i was authenticating so we could stream to our i started to get restreamed to go to my instagram and trying

SPEAKER_171: to figure that out it doesn't work very well um but we'll get there you can just not use these

SPEAKER_82: products or services and i don't and you don't and you know what i think there's going to be many people who just say you know what i just don't think i want to use his product or service and then he would change his decisions if you don't like them or you can compete and make your own products i i you know what now we have blue sky now you have you created threads you have blue sky people can create any you have uh mastered on i mean these things don't have insignificant number of people and i just read that blue sky is raising at 700 million dollar valuation yes so we'll talk

SPEAKER_02: about that in a second but it's not as insurmountable he would suckerberg as you think

SPEAKER_225: i was sure but there's a lot of things there for you to comment on i'm sure you have some thoughts

SPEAKER_62: i have so many thoughts but like the thing the thing that i the thing that i don't like here is that i think that we're speaking occasionally in too broad of terms like for example um that facebook

SPEAKER_43: is now a free speech haven it's absolutely not so for example uh you can't have uh female presenting nipples on instagram now yeah free the nipple was a whole movement right right and so i just i just decided i remembered that and so i went to the facebook trend sorry the meta transparency center under the community standards section subsection adult nudity and sexual activity and they say we restrict that

SPEAKER_62: because some people in our community may be sensitive to this sort of content particularly due to cultural background or age fair enough but that is making a value judgment that limits speech based on the corporation and so to me watching them say and i went through this morning the changes that facebook made to its uh hate speech rules you can now dump on trans people as much as you want

SPEAKER_43: okay but you can't have nipples because one is politically expedient and the other is bad for business and to me this is not free speech this is just a company following the trends trying to maximize income i don't want to give them the moral uh imprimatur of free speech when they're not doing it

SPEAKER_22: absolutely he cares the reason there will not be a nipple on there or a female nipple i should say is because it's not good for advertising exactly disney ivory soap apple they don't want to be near breasts and so this is the reason and other platforms like might have no problem with it they get more traffic they get less advertising they make that decision but i think it's super

SPEAKER_36: important for people to give him zero credit on a moral basis that he's making some great moral judgment has nothing to do this is just brass tacks folks he's just going with the crowd as to what is best for shareholders in business which means you should buy the stock you should own the stock i own the

SPEAKER_22: stock it's gonna do phenomenal um i feel guilty owning it but it's a great trade and it will keep

SPEAKER_36: growing and he'll he'll always win because he's always going to do this it has nothing to if democrats win next time and they say you know what we want to have this set of topics be the ones that

SPEAKER_111: we censor or we whatever they what is it called when you de-promote something uh uh de-boost shadow

SPEAKER_03: ban de-prioritize de-prioritize there you go that's the word yeah we're going through all the ways to

SPEAKER_171: move stuff down your feed um it's early and late guys we're doing our best well here's what i think i think ultimately what we're going to see with social networks here is the idea that i think all

SPEAKER_36: the social networks are going to just start to move to it's going to be more like reddit

SPEAKER_23: maybe 4chan like x where there's just a you're going to have to as a consumer understand it's the

SPEAKER_81: wild west these are these they're this idea that it's going to be groomed and clean like linkedin or like facebook used to be where you know if you said something about the covet vaccine you might get kicked off or deprioritized or labeled you know all this kind of stuff is just it's it's gonna lean towards free speech which i like you know that's my personal belief but i also

SPEAKER_82: believe people should be able to do what they want to do i kind of i kind of like having multiple

SPEAKER_81: choices i like that linkedin doesn't have uh fake names and i like that they don't have nudity on linkedin or other you know like spicy content or whatever on linkedin because i'm there to do business i also like that reddit has pseudonyms because people i feel over time can be honest about their reviews of stuff and i can click on their profile and see what else they wrote and yeah i i understand i might be getting duped there might be somebody in there who's getting paid off by i don't know some movie to write something but i i don't take it all too seriously it's like one little piece of information for me read it you know linkedin is one piece of information and then

SPEAKER_23: i come to my own version of the truth so you're gonna have to like lower your standards as to like

SPEAKER_06: how valid the information is on these i i just find the the i i know this is my boy scoutness coming

SPEAKER_62: out and we've talked about this before but i do find the posturing annoying like like adding dana white to the the the meta board is such a sop to trump to try to buy favor with the

SPEAKER_43: incoming administration it's just it strikes me as a little bit gross like for example if dana

SPEAKER_248: white savvy i see this i started i was like well that's a savvy move now he's got like what happened

SPEAKER_251: to merit what happened to merit what happened to only hiring people who are good if dana white was a

SPEAKER_36: lefty board for a board it's just about access and power and he gets more power and more access right he's got a he's he had ground to to make up here just like tim cook's got ground to make up

SPEAKER_73: here right so they're all giving a little donation here inauguration whatever it is and in this case

SPEAKER_36: you get dana white on your board dana white's obviously good friends with trump boom and trump probably prefers community notes and he came out publicly talking about this hey this is great look i you know yeah they said they sent the republican onto they sent the republican on fox to fox and

SPEAKER_62: friends to pitch this to jump it's lit to me business savvy should not be predicated on kissing

SPEAKER_244: political rings and i i think that like it's i i wrote about this i'm like this is probably a good business choice but i do not like that our system our system is allowing this to be the business norm

SPEAKER_62: because i don't think it's healthy and it boo jason i say boo to it but i will say mark wins and mark keeps winning and mark has all the shares um one last thing about this before we go you said about owning uh the meta stock here's an example about how we all do so i pulled up the fidelity um total market

SPEAKER_43: index fund and if you look at its holdings here you will see that two percent of it is in meta only behind amazon microsoft nvidia and apple so if you buy the market you're buying a lot of zuckerberg and i think that's that's very interesting by the way um magnificent seven anybody i mean just just look

SPEAKER_02: at this it's crazy it is crazy yeah we were talking about that on all in or chamath was talking about

SPEAKER_22: all in and just what an amazing um uh how weighted index funds are getting to the mag seven but these

SPEAKER_36: companies are getting wildly profitable and they're going to continue you're wildly profitable because

SPEAKER_22: ai like we talked about here um so more to come on this decision but it is his network if you don't like it create a competitor don't use his network stop complaining about it everybody i mean listen

SPEAKER_28: and the great part about this is like all these people went to like threads and they're like zuckerberg's got our back you know it's gonna be better and i'm like no are you sure okay the biggest

SPEAKER_04: lesson of of meta throughout all its iterations and histories is never trusted as a platform because

SPEAKER_268: they will never you trust you zuck is a really good operating system unless unless you are the person

SPEAKER_43: who's running reality labs because then he has your back to the tune of several billion dollars a quarter he does believe in that one yeah yeah we'll see all right um where do you want to go from here jason we can talk about um some nvidia stuff we can talk about some couple some funding rounds

SPEAKER_174: that are coming up anthropic blue sky we got the nvidia stuff was was really interesting there

David Friedberg: were there were two pieces i thought were super interesting one he made a mac mini that cost three thousand dollars that's absurdly powerful and then the other one is he seems to be making like

SPEAKER_36: real world models and simulations that i believe are open source and this is something that could be incredibly beneficial for people building robots or self-driving cars if there was an open source way to understand the world then collectively more people could build things that move around the

SPEAKER_81: world whether it's a drone or a tiny robot or a burrito delivery robot or a walking dog or whatever

SPEAKER_23: so i think those two were the most interesting to me i don't know if you had any other stuff that you

SPEAKER_62: thought was interesting i want to talk about the the project digits and if you don't know what we're talking about here is uh nvidia's latest toy that everyone's going to want forget the apple vision pro this is going to be awesome so what they've done is taken a single uh blackwell chip their upcoming

SPEAKER_43: awesome uh ai super computer chip and stuck it in a box that you can buy for your house so instead of having to go to aws or azure and rent an instance and fire it up and pay them you can for

SPEAKER_62: three thousand dollars get a nvidia gb10 grace blackwell super chip which has a petaflop of ai

SPEAKER_04: computing performance basically you can run a 200 billion parameter model at home for 3k now this is

SPEAKER_43: definitely going to be a bit of a gimmick and probably not going to change the world but jason if

SPEAKER_62: you're a company that has developers working on ai you're paying them 200 250 a year probably yes so

SPEAKER_283: can you give me one percent or a fraction of a percent to have this on their desk exactly i'd say

SPEAKER_22: the thing that's really interesting about things that start as toys or as hobbies this feels like the raspberry pi yeah it feels like you know the pc in the early days you know these things were toys and you know people were tinkering with them and then an application comes out and then people really want it and then everybody has to have it the palm pilot you know and the general magic machines were like these little digital assistants they were pdas personal digital assistants they had a dictionary on them a calendar on them they weren't connected to the internet you had to plug them in with a you know a big fat cable into your computer to get the data to sync it never worked it took an hour you know and then all of a sudden now we all have iphones and android phones in fact i got by the

SPEAKER_111: way i got the google pixel 9 fold uh-huh have you used one of these foldable phones yet uh my father-in-law

SPEAKER_43: has one i don't know if i've actually taken it out of his hands and used it it's incredible really oh okay

SPEAKER_22: i thought it was a gimmick i thought it was stupid and now i have one and the google 9 integration with gemini uh-huh is like everything that alexa and siri should have been times 100 it actually works now so you know when we were like doing testing previously we had sunny on and we were like asking it to do certain tasks it just wouldn't do it yes now i'm starting to ask tests like hey

SPEAKER_111: open google play and download this app for me and it did it and i was like whoa where it pulled up the page and i had still to click the install button that's better than siri which would give you sorry yeah siri should be bing results yeah yeah exactly it's like i don't know i'm gonna search the web

SPEAKER_22: maybe but so it's actually understanding like the operating system and like jumping out and actually actually doing functional things for me so and then when you're using your phone and you're on the when it's closed you have a screen and you know you can just use it like that you answer the phone or you text but then you know you're sitting in your bed or you're in line at starbucks or you're having a starbucks or here i was having a coffee you know in the secco you know after skiing a little bit i open it up and i open slack and i start talking to you i start talking to other people and the keyboard

SPEAKER_21: splits and goes to either side and i'm thumbing and then i'm using speech to text which kind of works

SPEAKER_36: now and i get this screen that's kind of like remember the ipad mini that people kind of liked as like a big iphone and it's pretty great but you couldn't carry an ipad mini with you because it didn't fold and this thing folds and it folds and i don't feel like i'm gonna break it i feel sturdy now the last one i saw marquez was just saying it was garbage so this works the reason this relates to

SPEAKER_21: this black world thing is i think you know putting out this little hardware as a 1.0 kind of play with

SPEAKER_36: it kind of thing you might have people start playing with this and somebody builds an application that

SPEAKER_21: everybody's like i gotta have that i need that yes you know and i don't know what that is but three thousand dollars is a lot of money but not for the hobbyist crowd you know the hobby people spend

SPEAKER_23: a lot of money on a lot of things like i ski i spend thousands of dollars a year on skiing cycling with traveling cycling people buy ten thousand dollar bikes and they rob them so i think

SPEAKER_81: this is kind of like reminds me of the muscle car or pc movements if you remember like people used to change their carburetor they would put in better tires they would change spark plugs you do all this kind of fun stuff in the pc era people would add a hard drive they would add memory chips to get more memory this is all done by opening the computer up and putting in cards and you know it was always very complicated in the 80s and 90s to do this stuff i think that's what i see with this blackwell what

SPEAKER_244: are they calling this device project digits and it's going to be made by third parties so i think it's going to be like the microsoft model like oh oh yeah the earth thing and then have oems built

SPEAKER_22: oh that's even better so that that's that's kind of a shot across the bow of like the pc industry or whatever because what if this thing can can it run windows why if i recall the research i did the

SPEAKER_62: answer is no it sits next to your uh mac or windows pc got it but back to your point about toys to tools gen one okay gen two if it runs linux and i can or chrome os or something or somebody puts in you know

SPEAKER_306: some other raspberry pi like device and it comes as one unit sure and now you got a mac mini that can

SPEAKER_22: kind of do both and you know these new mac mini m4s i was talking about them on the show how incredible they are yeah those i i saw somebody stacking those connecting them together and then running llms on

SPEAKER_82: them that's awesome when you see this kind of hobby stuff going on oh man get curious get curious very easy to dismiss but get curious because somebody's going to take three or four of these

SPEAKER_36: things and put it in a car or do something with it and it's going to be magical so you know like if

SPEAKER_22: you put that three thousand dollar thing on uh you know a bicycle or a motorcycle or something what's it going to be able to do you put it on a drone what's it going to be able to do you put it

SPEAKER_36: on a boat you know i'm picking things that move around the real world a robot this this could escalate quickly folks i think this is like nvidia's at the top of their game with a lot of money being having a lot of fun and running a lot of experiments you know what the same thing happened at google with project loon google fiber google city remember they did google city i do nobody remembers any of these projects anymore except you and i who were passionate about these projects and cover them

SPEAKER_313: yeah you know what you know what all those projects wound up being waymo forget every project

SPEAKER_82: google was project x what was the lab called google x right and so uh google glass was in there project

SPEAKER_36: loon project loon was a a balloon that would spread wi-fi didn't work starlink works better wing they had a drone delivery service hey maybe that was too early that's right yeah the glass was too early um but these moonshots hey if 19 of 20 didn't work and we don't even know what other ones were in there you know well let's assume there are 20 and waymo works which it is apparently working pretty

SPEAKER_22: well so don't work to do all worth it that's what i'm that's the vibes i'm getting from nvidia and

SPEAKER_43: jensen right now i cannot agree more i i was blown away by the sheer scale of things they announced i mean we haven't even mentioned for example the foundation models they put together their computer vision stuff they had autonomous driving announcements they dropped an entire new line of um pc gaming gpus that i'm gonna buy by the way i i'm gonna get one but i do want to go back just for a second to the idea of the foldable phone because i found something for you jason oh but i think you're going to log so uh lenovo had a rollable laptop concept and this year as ces they announced that they are actually going to build it it's going to launch this year for 3500 and i have the video for you and i think that you're

SPEAKER_321: going to love this because i rollable pc concept wait a second that's not standard laptop watch this

SPEAKER_171: look at that look at that oh my god for people who are watching thank you the screen of a laptop

SPEAKER_327: is extending like a shade you just press a button and it adds several inches to your laptop screen

SPEAKER_62: genius so this is the type of thing that i'm sure apple will eventually make in seven years after android um but this does mean that eventually my macbook pro will have a screen that expands

SPEAKER_43: because do you recall back when android phones were getting bigger and everyone called them phablets

SPEAKER_111: as a disk yes and now now my iphone is the huge the the fact that apple doesn't have a foldable phone

SPEAKER_36: i to me is crazy right now yes they would make one that'd be extraordinary it would sell like hotcakes

SPEAKER_22: and i think maybe what they're doing is waiting for this to be a little more rugged i think the issue

SPEAKER_23: is like will they break or not um yes yes yes this second one feels super rugged i've had it for a a couple of weeks now maybe two weeks and it feels solid i've opened and closed it you know 500 times you know i don't feel like it's and i open it closed it all the time 10 times a day no problem boom boom boom boom boom uh and it's really nice and you know what i it's like silly stuff but like watching a youtube video or an nba game you know what i was on the plane usually i would take out my laptop if i want to watch the next game or a movie if i've downloaded something and then i have this

SPEAKER_03: i open it up i can watch the movie on it it's really nice um so i you just nailed it if you if

SPEAKER_43: apple makes this we don't need ipads anymore not that we need ipads now but they go away um i want to make a quick technology point though because you just reminded me of something i had a moment when i was blown away by technology and i want to give a shout out to some some stuff that doesn't get a lot of love uh slack and ios so i was um i think it was monday night i was taking care of the girls and i was talking to bianca on the investment side because she's the local god king of software and i had a question about coda and good we were going over this and i literally have a baby in a carrier i'm sitting in the living room on the floor and i'm talking to bianca on my phone and she screen shared

SPEAKER_62: into coda and i just i knew it i knew it existed but i hadn't had it shown to me as it was so slick so fast so high res we were a voice chat with video it was just i was like okay this is

SPEAKER_22: has zoom built in with huddles and huddles you can do screen sharing and you know what slack does a really bad this is what happens when a startup gets bought by a company and they stop doing keynotes like jensen's doing you don't get this like fervor around a product anymore and so these great product announcements you just don't have them this is why like independent companies can kind of thrive and they they get more aggressive and releasing more innovative products whereas in a big company

Chamath Palihapitiya: like if i asked you who's the ceo who's running slack you wouldn't know nobody knows who's running

SPEAKER_337: slack is right i read her name uh i read an interview with her i think a month or two ago

SPEAKER_339: yeah and where's the is she doing a keynote where she releases 10 new features no

SPEAKER_92: well no because mark does the keynotes over there there you go right and so you really it's very hard

SPEAKER_73: for companies to have 10 different products and have all of them really aggressively going after different markets like but zoom is keeps adding a ton of features and you do see

SPEAKER_21: you know zoom getting credit for them you know to a larger extent they did add channels to zoom to kind of like counter what slack was doing and they don't work it's a janky bad product the ux is

SPEAKER_22: terrible yeah it just doesn't work the calendar in there works pretty good in zoom i find i find myself i used to open my google calendar to get to zoom now i go to zoom it's got my calendar in there and it kind of worked pretty well so sometimes like i'll find myself changing my behavior and going there

SPEAKER_62: that's when you know you have something yes that that's when i'm willing to actively change my behavior

SPEAKER_43: by the way uh one last thing from the previous segment you said that you were using voice dictation

SPEAKER_36: inside of slack um i'm using it generally on the operating system level i think apple's is solid

SPEAKER_03: and google's is just transcendent like okay because i don't i don't think anyone should give you more

SPEAKER_43: tools to send more slack messages because i think i think i think that's that's the crisis um one last thing on the video point though because we have a couple of um companies on the twist 500 etched rebellions mythic samba nova that are building ai specific chips and i was pretty excited about them because

SPEAKER_62: i'm thought look here's like so many different ways to go about this model of trying to have faster more efficient better ai crunching chips and then nvidia came out with their series of ces

SPEAKER_43: announcements i just kind of sat back and i was like good luck to the startups because this is a company that is really firing on nine out of eight cylinders right now and i just i hope someone can

SPEAKER_22: knock a piece off of them but well there are going to be cases where you know you can make unique silicon cheaper in a vertical and faster cheaper better faster so you know it's not like you're

SPEAKER_73: going to build a hundred thousand of you know one of these chips but you know for inference you have grok uh which sunday's working on and they're starting to put in a lot of hardware now you've started

SPEAKER_22: to see them there on their account if you follow sundip you know you see him shipping a bunch of these things to different parts of the world and building data centers and then in the teslas they have

SPEAKER_73: their own card with their own chips on it so you're starting to see people say you know what i don't want to give 50 of my margin to nvidia if i build my own which by the way is what steve jobs realized at a

SPEAKER_36: certain point hey how much are we giving to intel how much are we giving to qualcomm how you know

SPEAKER_22: some of these things are patents you can't get away from them but you know the the idea that apple would make their own chips was kind of crazy yeah there's sandeep mandra and he is shipping racks

SPEAKER_23: on racks on racks of um raw inference service so when you ask a query this makes it go really fast to have those when you build it they're not for building a model they're for inference but i mean inference is going to be much bigger than the model trading market yeah yeah um so a lot going on i did see byd launched a batmobile did you see that it was in the thread that you shared with me

SPEAKER_36: shout out to alex and the team maddie everybody doing a great job we try to get 10 better a week here two percent better three percent better every episode compounding three episodes a week we can be ten percent better if each of these episodes is three percent better let me know how you think we could be better just add us and mention us you know if you want better show notes you want better chapters whatever it is better topics we always want to make it a little better for you to learn and just get an edge when you're building your startup um but this byd um i saw in the show notes and

SPEAKER_363: what is happening here yeah make it full screen

SPEAKER_00: look at this folks there's no one in the driver's car with a crazy spoiler obviously a lot inspired by tesla from byd they kind of steal everything but watch that what it jumps

SPEAKER_03: also this look this is this this is a mclaren not a tesla it looks like a mclaren right i was looking

SPEAKER_366: at the interior oh yeah the interior is straight rip straight ripped of it yeah so just for those

SPEAKER_36: people who aren't watching this thing looks like a mclaren it's got a spoiler like an aftermarket spoiler that's huge so it looks kind of like a batmobile and i guess you press a button and it

SPEAKER_02: jumps up two or three inches off the ground but because it's going so fast a couple of inches of

SPEAKER_62: altitude gives you quite a lot of of horizontal distance so we can jump over hot holes jason this

SPEAKER_05: does solve the enormous market hole for billionaires running from the cops who are on a poor road who

SPEAKER_06: need to jump over a pothole to prevent capture or a spike strip oh the spike strip if you're in a

SPEAKER_08: spike film even better i like it i'm punching it up so yes that's what this is for if you're running

Chamath Palihapitiya: from the cops and a special no this is like batmobile level stuff there's no functional use for this thing except for us to talk about it well played byd this is the point of cs come out with the feature yes that we can't help but talk about why do you need your car to jump two and a half inches in the ground and then land properly it doesn't make any sense so why would you do that do you press a button on the steering wheel i'm throwing away my super oil slicks and a machine gun what is this spy hunter it makes no

SPEAKER_285: sense to me but i love it i i absolutely love it and if you want to know what it is it's the byd

SPEAKER_62: supercar um young wang u9 and it can jump apparently according to our notes six meters forward uh on the show notes point though you were talking about that when i was pulling up that video uh we forgot to change the permissions on the second iteration of this so people could leave comments and i know that because someone emailed in so i think that goes to that people like it so uh we are going to keep doing this if you want to follow along this because startups.com docket we'll have the latest docket up top and we're going to have a historical archive of preceding dockets down below so if you're watching an older show want to see a fact chart data point it'll be there we're going

SPEAKER_05: to keep doing this it's been it's been good fun um can i squeeze in one tiny note about a different

David Friedberg: story before we go yes and then i want to tell you about the minivan in japan that i'm losing my mind

SPEAKER_06: over okay i can't wait for that uh really briefly two things that came out from the world of ai

SPEAKER_43: economics that i think are worth discussing one anthropic is according to reporting uh from the journal in talks to raise about 2 billion more from light speed 60 billion valuation company is on a roughly 875 million run rate why do we care because they raised 4 billion recently from amazon well the thing is they have about a 69x run rate multiple which is very very expensive and i wanted to compare that to open ai 3.7 billion run rate 157 billion valuation 42x so then i asked jason why is anthropic being valued at a higher run rate multiple than uh open ai my thought was anthropic makes most of its

SPEAKER_06: money b2b and open ai makes more sustainable than not up against gemini and crock so precisely and and

SPEAKER_32: zuckerberg which we just mentioned kid likes to win uh oh look at that wow so sam altman tweeted

SPEAKER_23: insane thing we're currently losing money in open ai process which is people use it much more than

SPEAKER_02: expected the 200 is the 200 a month version of open ai that has more oh one access so they're losing money hand over fist and i guess people think they're making six billion this year or something

SPEAKER_73: they're going to double it i don't doubt those numbers i do doubt that you're going to be able to charge for these things and make a profit off of them because i think people with existing businesses franchises are just going to make them bring so twitter will have it free apple will have it free google have it free google already makes it basically free i pay for the 20 one but yeah 20 is close to free it'll be free eventually uh microsoft will make it free uh somebody said that sam who's been

SPEAKER_22: tweeting about agi a whole bunch might be trying to raise that 300 billion is the word on the street

SPEAKER_05: um well that would explain a lot of the hundred billion okay so let's war game that um if you buy into a company on the private markets at 300 billion dollars you're expecting at least a trillion dollar

SPEAKER_386: company yeah or triple your money for sure yeah if you're putting 10 billion or 20 billion into it

SPEAKER_389: yeah so a trilly yeah yeah there's about 10 companies yeah but i mean if if if not open ai in the ai game

SPEAKER_62: yeah who would you put up there because because um xai is worth uh crap i forget 40 50 yeah anthropics

David Friedberg: worth 60. i mean i mean i just think we're losing the script a little bit on these valuations and uh people are withholding you know their disbelief and putting them on the side and saying hey we have

SPEAKER_73: preferred shares we put 10 million into the 10 billion into this thing's not going to be worth

SPEAKER_47: less than 10 billion or whatever the preference stack is now 50 billion 30 maybe it's 30 billion things going to be worth more than 30 billion we'll at least get our money back we'll take a flyer i i'd do it i'd do it all right yeah you might you might japanese minivan would you like i just sent you

SPEAKER_22: the link i haven't pulled up let's go you do okay so i i've been riding in these in japan um it's called

SPEAKER_21: the alphard like alphard you're a butler kind of thing it looks like a standard mom minivan soccer mom minivan soccer down minivan i'm gonna hit play on this while you talk play you don't need to have the sound on it and um it has the most comfortable seats in the back so when you get in this thing

SPEAKER_22: and it's so easy to get in and out of it's where do you see the cabin you basically have these incredibly luxurious seats that and a tray table it's a basically like a first class seat in a minivan and you're completely inconspicuous from the outside on the inside it looks like a private jet i want this so much you lay down in these seats there's two seats captain seats and in the back there's a regular bench there's two captain seats that have a control panel where you can with the led

SPEAKER_21: you know and you just set the heat you can lay down in it it is like the greatest first class seat on you know uh emirates or you know whatever incredible international airline and it's two hours

SPEAKER_82: from the airport to niseko i slept like a baby for an hour and a half that never happens to me i get car sick i was playing chess and doing slack and tweeting nonsense uh about zuckerberg and i didn't get motion sickness so i'm trying to figure out how do i import one of these this is my dream car why are they not selling this here and i was looking at getting a sprinter van like an executive coach to drive around it you know what those go for actually i don't 250 000 because they're all custom made they're not manufactured this thing's a minivan yeah yeah the totality of the genius is they just put two unbelievable seats in that they go for sixty thousand dollars so i don't know who can get me

SPEAKER_04: one well i know who's your ally in this it's eric bond from hustle fund because i like eric he's smart he's also the only guy i know who's a minivan enthusiast and he every time you talk about how many kids you have he's like have you bought a minivan yet he's insanely on point about it and

SPEAKER_02: maybe he has a point maybe i've been wrong this whole time about minivans here's the thing minivans are

SPEAKER_81: very easy to get in and out of those sliding doors are everything and uh having a work chair slash sleeper thing is extraordinary uh this could would be an incredible seller here in the united states and i like that you wouldn't know here's the thing vans are smoother than suvs oh yeah vans are so

SPEAKER_23: smooth when you're just they're buttery smooth on the road uh now i don't know about safety but anyway shout out to our friends over at toyota uh for making something unbelievably cool that i am loving

SPEAKER_81: oh and it's it's kind of like high and low shout out to akira kurosawa since i'm not my japanese name high low high end low end same time absolutely brilliant we'll see you next time in this week in

SPEAKER_23: startups i'll be back in a couple weeks i'll be going to the inauguration uh not the actual inauguration but i'll be doing a bunch of podcasts when the inauguration we'll probably do a this week

SPEAKER_81: in startups from there as well uh so be prepared uh and we are doing the show notes if you want to see them this week in service.com slash docket go there this week in service.com docket and you'll see what we're going to have on the show and we start there six hours before then you can also see

SPEAKER_36: stuff in the show notes you can see those show notes in the docket when you open up your app

SPEAKER_22: if you're using a cool app it has the notes there the one thing i want to try to put in the notes as

SPEAKER_36: we get ten percent better a week three percent better an episode two and a half percent better an episode is um putting images into those so there's some advanced things like we do chapters on this weekend startups but you need to have an advanced player that has chapters and you can also put unique album art so i think you can do album art per episode we got to figure that out and we got to figure out how to enhance those uh show notes inside of the podcast notes but for now this week in startups.com slash docking get in on the dock tell us what you want us to talk about give us like little nooks and crannies check maddie and the researchers team work maybe we missed a citation or you have better data for us we'll see you all next time bye