SPEAKER_00: all right everybody welcome back to twist it is friday it is march 6th it is 2026 or in the year

SPEAKER_01: of our overlords a-o-41 which stands for lon harris oh it's after open claw it's 41 days since

SPEAKER_02: we first discussed open claw on the show a-o-41 we've said a-o-c for a while but that's already

SPEAKER_05: somebody's initial so yeah we can't go with a-o-c i like a-o-c personally as the as the

SPEAKER_00: designation but we'll go a-o-41 it rolls off the tongue uh and you know there's so much going on in my world right now lon yeah so much that i need to keep track of things my mind runs it just races my mind is racing now because there's so much going on in the industry i'm doing four or five podcasts a week so you know how i keep track of all this i think i do this little pin here i have a applaud pin and i have to applaud applaud because i just press this button at the start you have one too it's right here i'm going to suggest that you don't ruin the nice suit i got you and you and you use the metal backing i suppose the clip i'm clipping it guy okay i'm a clipper i think this is more elegant anyway i press the button the red light goes on everybody knows i'm recording so i'm not like breaking anything this is a recorded podcast it's live to thousands of people and it goes out to hundreds of thousands of people anyway then i can say things to this like hey action item action item fin find a community manager to work on uh the podcast so we can do community

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SPEAKER_28: got a full show for us my god too much show my friend my partner mark jeffrey is here from still

SPEAKER_30: core capital how are you doing mark i'm doing great jason thanks for having me on as always uh yeah good to

SPEAKER_32: have you on because the intersection between ai open claw agents uh and crypto you know i famously

SPEAKER_00: a couple years ago said hey listen if you're in crypto pivot to ai i'm not prepared to say hey

SPEAKER_34: that was good advice hey people have given me every time bitcoin goes back down into the 60s

SPEAKER_26: somebody retweets it oh that was nailed it do you remember we were we were office shopping here

SPEAKER_02: in austin and we went to this office and they had that tweet of yours printed out and framed they didn't know it wasn't for our benefit they didn't know we were coming that was just part of the decoration of their office if you're into crypto pivot to ai that was yeah so the crypto people will

SPEAKER_00: dunk on me for that but here's the truth there is some great innovation i just did an interview with the uh the new head of the sec on all in that'll be coming out on the all-in interview show next week

SPEAKER_37: chairman atkins uh and then i also had uh celig the cftc head and so chamak and i just did a great interview with them uh we taped it recently it'll be coming out next week and they are really laying the groundwork for making crypto uh legit and they're going to take it back from all these offshore

SPEAKER_29: locations and bring it back to america so this is a great thing so i am not saying pivot

SPEAKER_00: from ai to crypto that would be foolish but i would say keep an eye on crypto because there are things

SPEAKER_14: that crypto are is you know just i think at the end of this year going to be able to do legally uh and already starting to do legally that could be quite material in ai and that's why i wanted to bring you on maybe you could tell everybody what you're working on today and when i see you pushing your chips because you're a great investor and you've always been ahead of the curve people can look up mark's uh wikipedia or grokipedia page and see all the innovations he's seen i don't know he's typically 18 months ahead of everybody else and he's probably nine months ahead of me so i always go to mark hey mark what are you thinking about tell everybody what you learned over the last two years and why it's important and where you push your chips yeah so my chips are pushed on

SPEAKER_44: a thing called bit tensor and the coin for that is tau and it's a very interesting new phenomenon

SPEAKER_46: it's basically taking bitcoin's mining side and making that programmable on a new chain so it's not on bitcoin it's on its own chain tap the tau chain and by making the mining side of it programmable it incentivizes 128 subnets which are sort of like companies to build new ai products so there's a hundred million dollars a year that are handed out basically as a subsidy just like how bitcoin hands out new bitcoins to miners right to subsidize its own growth the bit tensor chain hands out tau to subsidize the growth of new ai products and it's been it's doing some very incredible things very you know we're only about four years into it the last year in particular has

SPEAKER_05: been pretty incredible so lon this is important because you know we talked about the project known as bitcoin the tip of the spear that got everybody engaged in this but the math problems and all the cpu was going towards busy work right it was not actually serving a purpose other than you know establishing

SPEAKER_49: the bitcoin network which was an important thing to do but it also was using a lot of energy right and

SPEAKER_26: this was a big knock against bitcoin in the early days if you'll recall oh it's so wasteful we're

SPEAKER_02: using all this power so that they can crunch these numbers and then we don't even need the numbers to be crunched and it's just you know like that was this was a huge knock against bitcoin in its early days

SPEAKER_52: was that we were wasting all this power just solving these problems so we could create this artificial scarcity

SPEAKER_14: so mark take us through two or three of the most important inspiring projects and then for full disclosure you were starting a fund to take advantage of this called still corp and i joined you as a partner in that i put some of my chips in i think i'm gonna be ready to put some more chips and i'll be honest this year i feel i'm feeling a little frisky take us through maybe two or three of the projects if we could

SPEAKER_05: show them on the screen even better but what's inspiring and interesting yeah let me i'll just i

SPEAKER_46: i don't have anything ready for the screen but let me let me just uh respond to your requests so jason the biggest news in bitensor in the last 24 hours has been the launch of ridges subnet 62's product now it's a vibe coding platform it competes with claude and cursor and uh and basically it's scoring uh 73 to 88 on the sweet benchmark test which is sort of like the sat that measures how effective a vibe coder is um so it's comparable or better than claude and it's scoring uh 96.3 on the polyglot test which is a different version a different benchmark but measuring the same thing so uh the price that they're launching at is 29 a month so it's five to seven times cheaper than claude code and codex at a comparable benchmark so it's it's the same or better in terms of quality and it was built on bit tensor uh for roughly 10 million dollars in emissions from the chain while cursor had to write raise uh against a 29 billion dollar valuation to accomplish the same

SPEAKER_14: thing so pretty interesting okay so this is a co-pilot for developers running on the bit tensor

SPEAKER_00: network it's one of the subnets so you can go buy tau like you buy bitcoin and i don't give financial advice but if anybody's listening and you had a hundy that you were going to spend on some margaritas

SPEAKER_05: i'm going to say maybe drink some water uh you know get some filtered water tap water whatever have a nice tea put the other 99 dollars into uh just buying a little towel for yourself why not but so this ridges project now is this

SPEAKER_00: an open source project is it a fork where is the code base coming from the code base is coming from

SPEAKER_46: the miners so basically the miners compete with each other to improve the efficacy of the ridges product so just like you know like bitcoin does what bitcoin does for stranded energy but tensor does for stranded talent so anywhere anyone anywhere in the world can compete and the miners that are improving the subnet 62 product um they're earning something like 50k in subnet tokens per day so you know if you if you if you win yeah if you win the contest uh you you know you could you could make a million dollars very fast if you're the best in the world right and you're some guy in turkey and you just you you can't get the silicon valley this is a way for you to earn and own part of the ai revolution and that's one thing that's great about crypto right so you can't really do this in any

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SPEAKER_49: needs every.io e-v-e-r-y.io so unlike if you were making commits to open claw you get um you know some

SPEAKER_14: kudos and you get to feel good fantastic you're helping humanity open source is a gift to humanity fantastic it's democratizing but here there's an incentive layer which is the subnets tokens so i make this coder this co-pilot better i make some tokens and then i can put those tokens and i don't just get a high five i won a contest to to fix something in the product and i get to put that in my wallet instead of going to work for cursor is that a way to think about it i could go work for cursor as a

SPEAKER_64: developer i could work on this open source that is exactly correct okay that is exactly correct and

SPEAKER_46: when you earn the 50k worth of subnet 62 uh ridges tokens um you can hold on to them well you can cash them right out right so you can get the 50k and put it in your bank if you want uh or you may choose to hold on to them because uh the market cap of ridges right now is very low it's like around 30 million dollars uh compared to cursors 30 billion with a b so there's a right so if if i'm not a developer

SPEAKER_00: and i wanted to buy that subnet that's different than buying dollar sign tao correct correct how does one buy that because tau is listed on robin hood and coinbase now or not yet uh tau itself is is on

SPEAKER_46: coinbase i'm not sure if it's on robin hood it's not i don't think it is i've looked for it before but

SPEAKER_30: how you can get a coinbase i've actually got my own coinbase so i know it's on there so you can get it

SPEAKER_00: on coinbase if you want to have the top level but explain to people in plain english how the subnet

SPEAKER_46: versus the 177 tau works yeah so you have to stake the tau to get the subnet tokens and one and you basically need to get a bit tensor wallet and a great bit tensor wallet is the crucible wallet which Allah will talk about down the road here on the show what a segue yes but that is his product right to make it easy for people to get into these subnet tokens right it used to be hard over the last couple months it's become a lot easier and crucible is leading the way and making it easier for people

SPEAKER_76: to do that all right so let's introduce Allah yeah so let's start this train moving talk to our next

SPEAKER_02: guest Allah shabana from uh crucible labs now not only the co-founder of crucible labs that great company that makes the wallet we were just talking about but he's the co-founder of bit tensor itself and the open tensor foundation leading the development and maintenance of bit tensor since 2019 uh and crucible labs of course invests and builds within the bit tensor system with a focus on decentralized ai

SPEAKER_11: Allah thank you so much for being here thanks so much for having me guys i appreciate it you've heard

SPEAKER_14: um sort of the setup here for bit tensor and uh you've got a commercial company that makes a wallet this is a venture-backed company a company that you just self-funded it's a company we self-funded yes got it so this is like being in the early days Allah of bitcoin where i don't know mount gox came out some wallets came out there were lots of different small projects you found a blocker it was very hard for people to know how to get the subnets tokens into their wallet and that's what your wallet allows people to do and they could just sign up and it works i guess similar to the early days of

SPEAKER_86: bitcoin yeah similarly yes so to kind of put it into a context um when we first launched the subnets

SPEAKER_87: when uh effectively people were able to speculate and kind of look into each um project and try to basically invest into it um i found myself effectively day trading because i just looking at each project and evaluating each one and seeing which one works and which one doesn't i found that that sort of it took up most of my time and the better idea was to actually um create an allocation mechanism to really kind of take my rewards that i'm getting on the tensor and effectively distribute them towards the top performing subnets and that's sort of where the idea for crucible labs is wallet was started and that's it becomes a very hands-off thing you literally stick and forget you place your towel within the crucible labs um uh within the crucible labs allocator and it will basically allocate um the rewards you get from your principal to the subnets got it okay so um

SPEAKER_14: maybe you could give us your thoughts on why you're so obsessed with this project and if this succeeds will these subnet tokens make their way onto robin hood and coinbase and then what why is that a blocker how does that work do i have to call vlad and say hey open this up um because i can talk to him about it um or i can email brian armstrong i'm assuming they're aware of this but usually they're fast what's

SPEAKER_87: is there a blocker here that um we don't know about tau itself tao um is acting as a medium towards access to all of these subnets you're unable to really uh i want to say buy and sell these without going through tau in the first place and as a result effectively these exchanges will have to really go through that process first before they're able to even allow users to buy and sell so this is not quite a blocker but it is more a mechanism to ensure that a tower itself represents all the subnets at the same time the value accrual of the subnets is reflecting back into town in the first place so as a result um there are some exchanges that are looking into listing it in this way but it is a bit of a process because there's also things like legal kyc on the subnet themselves that they have to go through each subnet has to go through effectively the same scrutiny that tau went through before it

SPEAKER_93: was listed in the first place and there's a god so it takes a while to do that actually kraken is ahead

SPEAKER_46: of everyone else kraken is a top validator on the bit tensor blockchain so they are very active in our

SPEAKER_95: space they do not yet list subnet tokens but you know being a validator would be the first step to

SPEAKER_32: doing that so and as an investor and partner in still core capital i assume you know this was

SPEAKER_05: part of your original premise that you're dipping into the subnets and making investments across

SPEAKER_95: those yeah we are yes that's in fact our charter to invest in subnets yeah so and so that's what you

SPEAKER_05: do you you have this premise at still core hey we know that tau has the potential to be the next bitcoin

SPEAKER_14: ethereum whatever it is it's not guaranteed nothing is this is a bit of the wild west this is you know again back to tip of the spear but you're after you make that bet you're making the second bet and the second investment is which one of these will break out and so we just started talking about this new revolutionary concept of hey what if you could replicate cursor so then my question is if it's only worth 30 million that is the lowest valuation of people in the space how do you evaluate that as an

SPEAKER_46: investment yeah i mean we look at these we look at these subnets like you would look at startups right you know and you know i come out of that world right so it's the same lens it's what's the total addressable market is this product actually competitive in that market does it have a significant advantage um is it you know what's the team look like you know what is how good how good are they at marketing right because it's not enough to make the best product you have to market it the best also so if you kind of can come come out and check all those boxes um in each one of the companies or subnets that we've invested in to date has checked all those boxes so we we've announced three investments uh ridges is one of them uh targon is another one subnet four and they provide very very cheap inference um oh and then yes great and then inference based on tell me that the name of

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SPEAKER_14: inference which means instead of me sending something to claude opus and you know paying for it i can go to targon and have my open claw do inference there is that is that what's possible yeah so it's um

SPEAKER_44: you you can do that so targon supplies it's it's industrial grade inference so it's private oh

SPEAKER_46: okay so right you've heard about this i know you've been talking about this lately right so private inference your prompts are not consumed and used to retrain uh you know some big companies model

SPEAKER_02: yeah we just had eric vorhees from uh venice ai on the other day talking about this same thing he's also

SPEAKER_46: doing private ai yes so but this is provably encrypted and and they have a trusted execution environment you do have to pay for the inference right so it's not it's not free and they're they're a company right so and they actually do have investors so they are traditionally venture-backed company as well their investors include toby ludkey who founded shopify and yes and ram sriram who uh was the first investor in google so yeah so i've got some blue chip investors as well okay so

SPEAKER_49: that subnet is a for-profit corporation and in addition to that there is uh a subnet token to

SPEAKER_05: incentivize people i'm gonna guess here to put up infrastructure hardware to provide the hardware

SPEAKER_14: or are they standing up their own hardware as a company targon nope targa i mean target probably has

SPEAKER_46: their own hardware but but the bulk of it is served out of their mining network and people are supplying the inference to the targon mining network now there's some rules they have to run the trusted trusted execution environment and the setup that targon dictates to them but if they do that you know whoever supplies the most inference to targon to resell gets the most uh targon subnet 4 tokens as a

SPEAKER_58: miner got it so there's two ways uh as you can see like bitcoin there's so many picks and shovels

SPEAKER_14: and services and application layer here there's all different places to invest targon obviously has some all-star investors in their corporation but another way to make an investment investment in targon's vision is to buy the subnet token correct okay and we've done that from stillcore fantastic yeah yep

SPEAKER_46: and the third investment that we've made is in hippias which is the centralized storage so kind of similar to filecoin but you know done in the bit tensor way this one is less interesting to me because

SPEAKER_05: storage is such a commodity why would you consider this one if storage is a commodity first of all

SPEAKER_46: the price for hippias is quite a bit lower than everyone else including filecoin so it's 400 x to 4 000 x less um expensive so they've been able to very very significantly shave off the price and um and they also are very good at um the hippias token the tokenomics for hippias are very interesting and very novel um they have deterministically tied the value of the hippias token to the increased usage and increased revenue of the hippias product so you need the hippias token to mine so you must stake hippias to mine so it's a stake to earn right so so basically they've got all these things that are continuously driving demand for the hippias token there is no scenario in which hippias the product and the revenue does very well but the token does not so that was a very interesting new innovation got it so this is

SPEAKER_05: one of the challenges in crypto is where does the value accrue to and they have solved for that and that was one of the reasons in your investment thesis of why to engage with this project again hippias private corporation as well with investors in the corporation i assume where does the hard drive

SPEAKER_44: space come from the miners supply the hard drive space so storage is provided by the miners the miners

SPEAKER_46: must be extremely performance so they're very snappy about you know serving up the file they have to be online all the time so they can't just you know go offline randomly so the quality of service that they provide and the amount of storage that they provide is the criteria that is used to award subnet tokens

SPEAKER_14: to them with each mining contest so we keep talking about miners um who are the miners in these systems

SPEAKER_122: typically what is the profile of that individual corporation hacker zealot early we don't know it's

SPEAKER_46: like bitcoin miners it's exactly the same thing there are people from all over the world there is no onboarding kyc process it's permissionless mining just like a lot of crypto so i have it could be i'm

SPEAKER_05: just taking a guess here i am a company like maybe a digital ocean or something and i've got massive

SPEAKER_14: storage that i haven't sold yet just making this up i don't know that digital ocean has done this but

SPEAKER_125: you could pick another hosting provider hey i've got you know these hundreds of terabytes that i'm not using i'm putting online every day waiting for a customer hey why don't i just throw them in here get those hard drives warmed up and monetize them while i'm waiting if i can make some amount of money on them while i'm standing them up hey great and then maybe they will perform better

SPEAKER_126: and the token reward will accelerate and that would be better than me even selling it to a customer

SPEAKER_46: correct directly myself it's exactly like uber right like if you have those unused cars that aren't you know doing anything you might as well put them on the uber network and drive around to make

SPEAKER_64: some money right same thing just with storage ala when you look at the mark's bets there what do you

SPEAKER_37: what do you think of his bets i'm looking for a little outside validation here walk us through

SPEAKER_14: those three projects and tell us if they succeed how could they impact the infrastructure and the

SPEAKER_87: future of the interwebs first off the very solid that's well done mark um the one other thing i wanted to mention is there is all these products have a very interesting um entry points into the real world which i think is a problem that a lot of crypto suffers from um you know if you go to really any crypto um conference you always see these projects that are marketed from crypto people to crypto people but there's very few that actually hit everyday users and i think that's what the entire industry is missing and i think the first projects to solve this are the ones who are going to be the ones really reaping the benefits and i think whether it's hippies targon um or really any other subnet um on the business ecosystem whoever hits that versus a bit of a bit of an arms race happening right now within the ecosystem which is rather exciting but those actually get there and i think bit tensor does have the potential to get there first those are the ones that are going to benefit the most whether as the teams themselves which is another point that i like to um evaluate when i'm looking at the subnets each team behind those subnets has i want to say a solid pedigree within the ecosystem for example targon actually uh uh that's a good shout out to the ceo but he actually is one of the first people that mined on bit tensor when we first started back in 2021

SPEAKER_134: so he has a very in-depth knowledge understands how the system works and so um this is the kind of kind of person i'd be betting on so i think all two all three of those bets are very solid mark has

SPEAKER_26: actually built an open clause skill that i think we have to take a look at called vibe miner it

SPEAKER_02: sustainably and profitably mines a token sn85 video is that how am i saying you're right mark video

SPEAKER_140: yeah video so yeah vid ai oh i don't know how to pronounce it i've just seen it written but yeah but good guess can you can you show us a little bit of how this works i have a screenshot here in

SPEAKER_02: the dock if that's the best we could do yeah just do just show the screenshot all right so we'll pull

SPEAKER_26: up the screenshot for the doc so i can describe it i can tell us about why open claw and crypto mining

SPEAKER_46: are are a good fit i was fascinated by this yeah uh so i you know i watched you guys right when claw came loaded up right away on your machines i waited until there was a hosted claw before sort of diving in and then i thought like how can i apply this to bit tensor and i've always wanted to be a miner on bit tensor but it's it's usually a lot of a lot of sort of sys admin work and you know just stuff i i don't really know how to do right it's not my it's not my forte right so when claw came around i was like oh i'll just have my claw become a miner on a bit tensor subnet so i had the claw actually choose which subnet to mine so it's mining subnet 85 which is video compression it's using ai to both upscale and compress video and it does it 50 to 90 percent cheaper than anyone because it's using bit tensor contestonomics to do it and i am now one of the people upscaling and compressing and i have to do it within 60 seconds of getting a request from the validators and i'm using bit tensor infrastructure to do this so i'm using hippias for the storage right so i'm getting 400 to 4 000 off right on the storage and i'm using targon for the um for the machine that i'm using to actually do the video crunching

SPEAKER_147: so again i'm getting it's like one tenth the cost hey listen sometimes i'm thinking faster than i can write everything down and i found this amazing tool i am obsessed with it it's called whisper flow w-i-s-p-r flow all you have to do is talk and whisper flow turns it into crisp perfect writing instantly not just talking about dictation but removing filler fixing punctuation and even formatting your text while you speak it is mind-blowing how good this is it makes all the other dictation software look basic and whisper flow matches your natural tone and speaking voice so the writing sounds like you actually wrote it yourself and whisper flow works wherever you are i use it when i'm in slack i'll use it when i'm in superhuman doing an email doing a message i'll jump into i message and even when i'm writing a document or i'll even use it when i'm talking to my open claw agent finally someone i can talk to who actually takes down everything i say unlike maybe the interns i've got they get like six out of every ten instructions correct whisper flow everybody's going crazy about this product in silicon valley everybody in tech is using it whisper flow dot ai twist it's spelt

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SPEAKER_46: make it uh profitable but not sustainable so it costs me about 10 bucks a day uh there's about three thousand dollars being handed out by the vidio network per day to miners uh i i am making about 30 bucks per day uh and it costs me 10 bucks so it is profitable however uh after the immunity period where new miners basically get for for like 24 hours i usually last another 24 hours until more excellent miners kick me out as jason likes to talk about the age of excellence mid-tensor is the most ferocious form of capitalism and age of excellence that i've ever seen so i get booted out frequently

SPEAKER_44: and i've not figured out how to stay in the rankings but i'm working on that still so but yes i gotta

SPEAKER_05: repeat this back to you so i make sure i understand what's happening here there are a bunch of distributed services being empowered by bit tensor that lower the cost of doing common jobs a common job is uh you know or a large job you know i don't know programming a large language model or uh processing large video jobs yeah these are large jobs in the world so you're doing arbitrage saying i'm going

SPEAKER_00: to use the lowest cost bit tensor network for storage i'm going to use the lowest cost bit tensor for

SPEAKER_92: inference uh yeah well i'm actually just using the machine so it's not really inference in this case

SPEAKER_05: just machine using gpu yes or cpu whatever it happens to be processors so then you're sending the jobs through this machine now yeah that is grinding down to the lowest cost possible and what this does is it creates a free market incentive to just lower the cost of compute across storage across uh programming co-pilots across video processing is that the core job here is video processing yeah this

SPEAKER_73: is using ai to compress video right end up killing who's doing those jobs i'm just curious in the world i

SPEAKER_162: don't know so i couldn't tell you oh well there's all those apps too that's like take your old photos

SPEAKER_02: take your old grainy videos upscale them make them look high depth like that's a big thing and especially hollywood does it all the time like they're using ai to like make blu-rays or make 4k restorations of older films and tv shows so yeah there's a lot of upscaling with ai being done right now you know

SPEAKER_164: what's so interesting about that lawn we had this whole thing where they were trying to preserve

SPEAKER_14: these final prints of you know amazing movies and like they would have some number of you know minutes

SPEAKER_02: in a print that were you know exactly decomposing and right that yeah because the old the old film

SPEAKER_14: stock would started to decompose yeah and in all likelihood ai could not only restore it to its previous glory it could restore it to a glory that the film was not capable of at the time of shooting

SPEAKER_02: it's a little bit like what we saw at the wizard of oz at the sphere like they can use ai to not just restore the original image to look like new they can add stuff in the background they could blow it up to a different aspect ratio they can they could put stuff in the background that wasn't there i mean you can the sky's the limit with what you can do with this technology to old films when you think

SPEAKER_14: about that mark the idea of losing art in the world um to physics you know the mona lisa uh you know

SPEAKER_05: some great film uh all these grateful dead shows that were bootlegged not only could they be restored

SPEAKER_37: to their previous high watermark they could be restored to a higher mark yeah you could i mean that's

SPEAKER_02: you're already could see it like if you go by like the duelists that ridley scott movie on blu-ray you're seeing it crisper with more detail than people saw it when they went to the theater in the 70s if we

SPEAKER_14: were to all uh think about what could happen with infrastructure in the world ai agents now could be examining the bit tensor network i'm sure somebody has it you came up with this clever idea mark but your agent could go find 10 similar opportunities yeah ala and we might be in a situation where we've just got

SPEAKER_37: a i wouldn't call it a death spiral but we would have a compression of costs that would just be relentlessly being pursued not in a human sense of being relentlessly pursued but in a 24 7 365

SPEAKER_174: billions of tokens pursuit of lowering costs yeah i think that's it's quite possible that it could

SPEAKER_87: happen but i think at the same time it will you'll actually push competition in my honest opinion i think that's actually going to be great because it cost is one thing but there's also quality it comes down to it as well i think that's what a lot of a lot of um a lot of these projects that are fairly new tend to overlook a little bit in that they will provide something at lower cost anybody else but they'll also be cutting quality so i think that eventually these agents are going to be balancing between um how well these tokens are they're pulling out or how well these services that they're pulling out compared to how much the cost is going to be and i think eventually it's going to balance out to a specific ecosystem i think a bitmaster kind of has the advantage there because we have 120 projects

SPEAKER_14: and growing that can even compete within itself and there's a foundation ala that you're part of that sets the agenda for subnets yeah there was there is an open tensor foundation um that's effectively

SPEAKER_87: what was started with the ecosystem um there was myself and jacob steves my co-founder um at this point we are actually working on decentralizing even further so i'm no longer part of the foundation i've started working on course the last full time jacob steves is also no longer part of the foundation he's working on his own subnet and so now uh the foundation itself is sort of um in a way handing over the reins the community and now we're sort of following the exact same um pattern as bitcoin where now it's being um the project is being maintained by uh really the entire community

SPEAKER_32: in itself because it is open source and so anyone can contribute how does a new subnet emerge is this like doing a new top level domain where there's politics and payments and you know or could anybody

SPEAKER_126: who's an entrepreneur say i have an entrepreneurial company i want to be part of this i want to launch a

SPEAKER_87: subnet yep absolutely anybody can launch a subnet there's no it's permissionless which is kind of the

SPEAKER_14: great thing about it if you have a great idea is there a certain amount of uh tau tokens you need to launch one and then what is the entry price now then there is a registration cost to it and that cost

SPEAKER_86: is uh variable according to demand so according to how many people want to enter the ecosystem the

SPEAKER_87: cost will go up if there's less people trying to enter the ecosystem the cost will go down it's a

SPEAKER_183: bit of a moving average sort of got it and how many subnets are allowed to be made mark is there

SPEAKER_73: like a a cap on that and what's the cost now yeah at the moment there's a cap it's 128 subnets

SPEAKER_46: but down the road not too much further we don't know exactly when but it's soonish uh that cap will be removed or or grown um it's it's the cap is there to to create quality right so we don't want sort of a free-for-all like we've seen on solana with pump.fun you know we don't want pump.fun subnets right so kind of the the cap is there to sort of you know make sure that the um the the proper mood is set on the chain so it feels like the library not like the party right so that's what we want and um yeah and the cost um i haven't i haven't checked recently but it's it's been as high as a million dollars to buy a subnet um so it just depends on when you go look and i've seen it as low as like 100k

SPEAKER_05: so it depends on the price of tau it depends on what's available this is not uh going to be chaos it's going to be orderly let's uh mark and olive i could have you guys come back in 30 days and give

SPEAKER_14: us an update that would be really great for the audience because i think we've incepted in people's minds here a bit and one of the great ways i think to create continuity here is just check in every 30 days what happened in the last 30 days what bets have you made what have you added so i'll see you guys uh on april 6th ish i'm gonna put it on the calendar now okay i made i

SPEAKER_26: made a note for my agent he's on it he'll remind me okay all right and then nobody has to remember

SPEAKER_00: anything thanks guys sit here and tell our agents to do it yeah let's drop those guys it's pretty

SPEAKER_189: mind-blowing huh oh my gosh i i want i'm gonna put in i'm gonna put in five or ten k i'm gonna get

SPEAKER_64: some cash together i'm i'm i'm here for you making some bets exactly and for your future it's time

SPEAKER_37: you're gonna retire what you're 45 now how old are you 47 47 okay so you're like yeah you're six years

SPEAKER_21: eight years behind me it's time to start thinking about uh like my nest egg for sure so yeah just a

SPEAKER_05: little bit i mean you need to have like a little gray i would say at your age 20 in things that can go to zero but that could also go 100x would be really nice right no i mean my

SPEAKER_198: my solana is in that there's in that seat that it's it's down it's down a lot but i'm not giving

SPEAKER_125: up i'm not giving up yet i mean it's i think it's like a wise bet until you find a better bet let's say you know your solana goes back to where you bought it or doubles you can look at it reevaluate and say you know what i'm going to pair 20 of this and put it into the next big thing i'm going to pair 50 of it or i'm going to take some wins and put it into qqq or something bit tensor yeah or a bit tensor yeah but 20 to that is uh i think a really good wager a bet you know i like young people especially since you don't have kids yet you know weren't me ever thank you for adding yet

SPEAKER_204: thank you for adding yet i appreciate that well i mean let me tell you something this is going to be

SPEAKER_37: great for your retirement uh you know you you once you have kids there's no retiring there's just you know never-ending list of bills uh and complications uh coming we've got michael raya

SPEAKER_02: boy he's here to show up show us setup claw michael good to have you on the show uh i loved it jason i found this on uh social media it is a sort of bespoke white glove open clock concierge service for founders and executive teams uh if you need you know if a ceo a cfo a head of sales needs leverage without creating new security risks they get personalized open class service with setup club

SPEAKER_05: okay so this is the uber black this is the vip level setupclaw.com not going to amazon or cloudflare

SPEAKER_125: or popping up your own instance on your mac mini this is hey i want to make something um for my company but i'm a ceo i'm um i'm ahead of sales i need to make sure it's secure and i need to make sure it's

SPEAKER_211: working basically the story is uh about a month ago i go in and i go on twitter and i say hey if you're

SPEAKER_212: anywhere in san francisco uh then you can i'll go to your house on a lime scooter and i'll install open claw for you on a mac mini now this blew up suddenly i have way more clients than i can handle my stripe is blowing up and i'm thinking okay this is ridiculous i install open claw for some people and i'm thinking i'm having a terrible time and then every time i install open club for someone they come to me a week later saying hey like this broke that broke you know so what i'm basically doing now is i'm going in i'm building out custom agents for people i'm still helping people with their mac mini setups uh i think that's important it's a lot of fun uh keeps uh you know uh keeps me fresh but i very quickly became clear that hey like this is not the right solution for most people people need a sas people need to just set their agents and forget it uh people are busy these are you know uh six seven eight even nine figure founders who are like just like they don't have time to configure open claw and deal with the uh associated so what we what i did is quickly i built the sas uh and this sas is i consider the easiest way to run open cloud right now you deploy an agent and then you set your crons you set how it works you connect it has a full computer uh running so here's like launch.co which you can just like you and once you log in uh you can uh you know save your authentication uh but it also connects to you know a bunch of tools uh the goal is to eventually give every agent its own email its own wallet its own stealth browser so to get make it just like the most complete general horizontal agent platform available okay so open claw in a box well done are you still

SPEAKER_219: charging people for the vip service and how do you charge for that i know there's a lot of ceos who

SPEAKER_14: want to pay you a significant fee to do this yeah i hop on a 15 minute call with you i figure out okay

SPEAKER_211: what are the things that you need most like what is what would your agent look like what are you trying

SPEAKER_212: to automate and then we hop on a second one hour call where we actually go and we automate it if you need to automate automatically update your crm and salesforce or your niche crm we go in and we set everything up during this one hour call and you end up having one agent and then we give you hyper care which is this idea of hey if you need additional agents or you need help with your existing agent or you need to make sure your agents are performing in a specific way we help you with that or we help you set up automations to you know automate your business so we have a bunch of automations running

SPEAKER_14: and what are you going to do next i mean the open claw in a box is become a great startup it's kind of like building websites in the web 1.0 era everybody needs a website everybody's going there but it's quickly becoming commoditized i think you would agree michael so what is your eventual vision for this in a year or two you know we just saw amazon release their open claw in a box service what happens when there's you know open claw in a box on every major platform what where are you

SPEAKER_37: going to go with this next as an entrepreneur open claw itself is much less important than the

SPEAKER_212: innovations open club brought which is proactive agents with uh the idea of heartbeats and crons now these agents are only as powerful as their tools and integrations so what we need to do is we need to level up the level of tools that they have to an extreme scale every single agent should have a wallet it should have an email it should like if you allow it to it should uh be able to have access to a bunch of apis by default it should be able to make websites it should be able to deploy them you could start stacking these tools that these agents have and that's so the most empowered agent is the

SPEAKER_211: goal uh for you the most empowered exactly so we want to empower this agent to an extreme extent

SPEAKER_01: all right great job michael before we get to our next demo jason i think we should talk about uh

SPEAKER_02: another one of our friends the last one of our uh friends we got to talk about today row.co oh i can

SPEAKER_126: talk about that till the cows come home yeah i know as you know i'm slim cow now some people still

SPEAKER_14: remember me as fat cow yeah fat jason they might even say uh you know if you were like a a bully and you wanted to send a mob after somebody you might say oh they're fat they're fat but what if you got a subscription to row.co and you got on a glp it was paid for by your insurance you checked it and you became slim now you're slim cow and your friends at the poker game stop saying are you eating yourself to an early grave jay now and they start mocking you hey you're five eight and a half and you're 213 pounds i was shamed i didn't have a solution the food noise was overwhelming for me yeah i correlated eating food with success because i grew up poor middle class lower middle class and i just thought hey the second i can get calories and i can order you know an appetizer and dessert at a restaurant and maybe even get a side okay i've made it and you know what i spent 20 years just enjoying that privilege of having the ability to order the foie gras to get the white truffle supplement you know what happened i gained two pounds a year for 20 years yeah i was 43 pounds overweight then i lost 43 pounds thanks to roe.co and the magic of glps uh they'll check for you right now if your insurance covers it and if your insurance doesn't cover yeah that's right you can get it uh for a

SPEAKER_125: pretty amazing stunningly low price when i started on this journey four years ago uh when ozempic was

SPEAKER_14: off label for weight loss it was four and a half years ago it was two thousand dollars a month now you can get into it for low hundreds in other words why wouldn't you no more excuses exactly so

SPEAKER_02: visit uh roe.co and use their insurance checker you just submit your insurance card they do the rest no paperwork no hassle and around 50 of row members get their glp ones covered so go to roe.co twist for your free insurance check who do we have next father daughter entrepreneurial team for you to meet here jason this is pete and maddie reese uh they've created bisbee uh which is it's sort of you tell bisbee what company you want to start and bisbee takes care of the rest uh maddie and pete thanks for

SPEAKER_244: joining us wow look at this father and daughter i love yes great to be here yes yes so show us what you built yeah amazing that uh it's been i don't know how many 25 years ago uh she was born but uh yes we've been working together for a number of years and this is our latest project and we're super excited about we're claw-pilled like you are you're claw-pilled okay show us what you built yeah so this is bisbee uh as uh as lon said you pretty much uh the concept is you type the idea for your business in the box and you hit start and then you go through a procedure a chat with um bisbee and this is an agent that will kind of walk you through you know a process of trying to decide uh you know if this is

SPEAKER_247: a good business trying to come up with a naming idea for it checking if the domains are available uh even goes through uh logo iterations for you ah and then you can go back and forth with it and kind of um you know iterate on that and then uh eventually it'll when you sign off on the logo then it'll you know uh show you a branding package and then it will um you know pretty much uh you know a whole

SPEAKER_249: brand this this happens within minutes by the way this is uh so this is a startup consultant in a box

SPEAKER_00: this is an incubator in a box is a way to think about it maddie yeah yeah yeah so kind of our our

SPEAKER_253: target audience is people who will become uh small medium business owners so we are targeting people who uh do not currently have an existing business and our thesis really is that ai job loss or ai related job loss is going to be a massive deal even even this year but especially in 2027 um and we want to provide a solution to that we want to provide a way for these people who don't have a way back into the traditional workforce to start something for themselves and be able to make money and and live their lives uh this is a great idea maddie because

SPEAKER_14: we have a concept which is surplus uh and as entrepreneurs when you see a surplus in the world uh that can be an opportunity now it obviously sucks to lose your job or get laid off but then a cognitive surplus appears smart person they were working at block they were working at microsoft they were working at amazon they get hit by layoffs they got two or three friends they worked with they need to figure out hey where am i going to get started here or maybe somebody's a stay-at-home parent and they get back into the workforce they need a place to start and so uh this is the place for them to start that journey what is your business then because

SPEAKER_37: obviously the criticism or the challenge you'll get from the venture community if you decide to go that way and that's but one way to do it is how is it different than just being a rapper how is it better than just using claw directly so have you given that some thought maddie oh yeah definitely we've

SPEAKER_253: built a lot on top of it uh so obviously the the basis is kind of open uh but there have been we've integrated a ton of different things we've built a lot of custom skills we support over 350 plus businesses right now um or different types of businesses oh wow and everything is customized for that individual business type with the amount of things that we've built on top of it we we're feeling

SPEAKER_162: pretty good yeah i mean and if you're good i was just gonna say jason one thing we should we should add after they've sort of i the funnel on this is very clever i think after they've kind of shown you

SPEAKER_02: all the graphics and the logo and like hey this could be a real business here's what it would look like then they hit you with you want a team of ai agents to help you run the business do we just need

SPEAKER_82: your credit card like that's the next that's next step you sort of get open claw assistance to help

SPEAKER_268: you run the business now that you've launched it yeah that's the real product yeah so it's the team

SPEAKER_247: of agents that actually do the business for you um as a new entrepreneur you use your phone to run your whole business like like many of us are doing with our open cause the team takes care of all the messy business stuff on the back end that many of these people are not accustomed to and have no interest in getting involved with uh they simply get to do what they do maybe deliver the service maybe it's a in-person thing or maybe it's something they do over the computer but the um the team at bisbee their agent team takes care of everything in the background and uh they just uh they just collect the

SPEAKER_219: checks fantastic we wish you great success with this where can people learn more maddie where can

SPEAKER_253: people learn more and uh engage this new product and service yes so we are at bisbee.ai and that is

SPEAKER_53: b-i-z-z-b-y.ai all right bisbee.ai give it a try what do you got to lose start a business uh yeah you got

SPEAKER_37: you got to be resilient and what's it like to work with your your dad maddie is he uh it's incredible

SPEAKER_253: i mean we work together a lot so i'm just i'm very lucky to be able to have you know both of my parents are entrepreneurs i grew up in an entrepreneurial household um it's all i've known growing up um and i just feel so lucky to have grown up in that kind of do you have siblings i do i have two siblings two little sisters one of them is actually our co-founder and she's kind of in charge of our growth and content um and then the other one is is 16 and she's got it got it and your dad doesn't have

SPEAKER_283: favorites but i can see right now you if there was a favorite maddie i think you might be winning

SPEAKER_34: right now because every dad's dream i can tell you as a girl dad as well pete i have three daughters

SPEAKER_14: i'm always like who's gonna come be khaleesi and run launch and this week in startups and like one of them's like no interest the other one's like very interested the other one's like i want to work with sharks i'm like that's fantastic you go work with sharks you could be an influencer work of

SPEAKER_287: fashion but i got one of them who wants to do business it really is a dream come true yeah it

SPEAKER_14: is kind of a dream come true isn't it yeah to get to work with your daughter yeah all right well done

SPEAKER_293: pete and maddie wish you great success with the company yeah thanks for being here thanks for doing

SPEAKER_02: it first of all jason you sent me this clip on tick tock i don't know if you remember this i do want to take a look at this bob dylan clip that you said because i think it's really fascinating uh this was bob dylan from a 1986 interview in hamilton ontario for a bbc documentary he was making the film hearts of fire but some pretty some prescient comments i think about uh computing ai and and

SPEAKER_82: collaborating on art with machines here's a look you could have your own little band like a one a one

SPEAKER_298: man band yeah with these machines what year is this this was 1986 jason that type of music doesn't

SPEAKER_299: have any roots and it doesn't have any foundation to it there's the downside yeah i think that's the

SPEAKER_125: sort of key insight that bob makes here is like 40 years okay we can stop here this is incredible um

SPEAKER_144: you can mimic music but it doesn't it lacks it's not around soul yeah so this is i think really

SPEAKER_05: important he's always ahead of the curve speaking people ahead of the curve he's always been ahead of the curve but he's always um you know and had these great insights and but he was always very obsessed with technically um understanding the nature of songs and he had a great show on sirius xm for a while that i used to listen to um and i forget the name of it but on this show he

SPEAKER_64: would talk about songs and what made them great if you are theme time radio hour it was called theme

SPEAKER_14: time radio hour and you know i don't think it's on the air anymore no and people who were involved in this uh who made clips for it etc they never actually were in the room with dylan like yeah radio show they just right he kind of asked them questions and they you know they cut around him or whatever but he did an incredible job of picking specific songs so i think that's going to be one of my uh recommendations for you if you want to go down the bob dylan rabbit hole like my pal

SPEAKER_37: timothy chalamet my pal we're both nix fans i met him you're good buddy yeah good but i met him twice actually but really really uh you know great actor um and really a a true fan because i was when i talked to one of the two times i talked to timothy chalamet who obviously did the dylan movie

SPEAKER_05: and was fantastic i asked him about the 80s um and if he ever got into that and he was literally

SPEAKER_32: telling me specific songs from infidels and and other albums uh and joker man and yeah like a really

SPEAKER_310: interesting he goes deep he got really good at ping pong too for marty supreme he goes deep he gets

SPEAKER_125: serious so i'll add two here i'm gonna add two there's a very famous uh pen and baker documentary

SPEAKER_05: don't look back sure that's table stakes but then there's two by scorsese who as a great or tour appreciated dylan no direction home 2005 man incredible incredible documentary and so if you were looking for something to do this weekend i would go watch don't look back no direction home

SPEAKER_125: and then my personal favorite was you know when dylan came out of the 60s and really wanted

SPEAKER_00: um to kind of do something that he enjoyed he did something called the rolling thunder review yes and this was a tour where he was in like a van and like driving around this is dylan coming out of the height of people's obsession with him right and you'll know this because he was wearing white um is that kabuki

SPEAKER_14: makeup cake makeup on his face yeah white which he found out about because his violinist who he had um um had uh uh um i don't know if it was romantic or not but he had a bit of an obsession with um was somehow involved with kiss right who had also put the white makeup on sure and my favorite version of all time uh of tangled up in blue and a number of other songs come from that rolling thunder review period

SPEAKER_37: right um and that scorsese bookend documentary 2019 is it's sort of a documentary it's it's it's a

SPEAKER_02: fictionalized it's very it's very dylan it's like a fake documentary it's like about 60 70 percent of the information is accurate but then they add in a bunch of like not accurate stuff for fun so like all the sharon stone stuff like she that's all made up but like that's a very dylan thing to do like obscure combined truth and lies so you're not sure what you can really believe just creating

SPEAKER_324: mythology right i guess would be the the way to say about it so this is great we went down a little

SPEAKER_05: rabbit hole here um but a great set of dylan documentaries for you and uh what else you got

SPEAKER_02: for us uh so i definitely heading into the weekend three quick things i want to mention first uh i'm really enjoying this it's a little cheesy it's a civil war scripted mini series on prime video called the gray house kevin coster and morgan freeman both uh executive producers on it written in part by john sales the legendary filmmaker john sales and then roland joffey who directed that that uh de niro movie the mission bunch of other the mission my favorite film one of my top five films that director made this he directed every episode it's an eight episode mini series it's about union spies it's about these southern women living in the confederacy who were getting messages to the north to the union army based on what they were here they were living in richmond they were part of society so they they knew jefferson davis's wife they were in touch with the the servants who worked in jefferson davis's house which was the gray house instead of the white house they had the gray house uh and so it's it's sort of loosely based on a true story but it's it's this very kind of like old school i'm enjoying it it reminds me a lot of like 70s and 80s tv mini series like from the lonesome dove or the roots era when those were like these big events and they'd have battle scenes or even like gettysburg that one it feels like that where it's a little hokey it's a little throwback but very very well done very well acted big epic battle scenes and stuff i'm really enjoying it so that's on amazon

SPEAKER_05: all eight episodes are up on prime video right now and by the way that was um barry diller the media

SPEAKER_324: executive yes um he's the one who created roots and these movies of the week and this incredible genre um which i think shogun was part of sure exactly it's it feels to me that's what this

SPEAKER_02: feels like where it's very hard on its sleeve it's very sincere it's a little it's a little throwback it's a little cheesy i guess you would say for for i think modern viewers would be like what is like what is this a little little you know old school but but if you grew up on those kinds of tv mini series i think you feel right at home it's very assured storytelling very confident it looks great there's a lot of like big recreations of battle scenes and it looks really cool they did a

SPEAKER_329: good job with it uh he actually did a memoir too who knew uh oh right barry diller yeah i may have

SPEAKER_32: talked about on social media before but this is my favorite biography of the last year or so uh who knew and he talks about his personal life um his marriage to diane von uh firstenberg yeah and uh

SPEAKER_05: uh you know being quietly closeted and and his struggles with that but then doing qvc and you

SPEAKER_324: know again usa network all the way to iac one of the real legendary executives of that whole the cable tv sort of the last yeah kind of the last of a generation there yeah and still in the game which uh and dara

SPEAKER_05: khazrashahi uh worked for him uh the ceo of uber so there's a whole generation of ceos who cut their teeth uh working for barry diller who cut his teeth working for you know the uh series of

SPEAKER_37: executives before that right in this 70s and 80s who knew great barry diller biography there's one

SPEAKER_26: there you go for you for the weekend all right up next uh this is on disney plus right now i think hulu probably as well it's a national geographic docuseries incas the rise and fall uh i went to

SPEAKER_02: peru many years ago visited some of the sites i've been really enjoying it it's just a really well done sort of overview there's me at machu picchu from my peruvian trip uh so i i couldn't resist uh checking out a four-part incan documentary and it does a really good job like it digs into i feel like we hear about these amazing empires in like south america or the caribbean or the north america but you don't really dig into their history like it was this king and then they expanded this way and this does a really good job of using what we know about inca culture because they didn't have a written language so we're sort of still piecing it together archaeologically and uh anthropologically but

SPEAKER_05: it's really interesting and people don't know you say inca you think of uh machu picchu um but they created you know a a series of networks of roads 25 000 of them including bridges over crazy gorges

SPEAKER_00: the inca trail the inca trail and this empire went i don't know i think 20 thousands of miles

SPEAKER_125: kind of the spine of south america and i've never i mean i just have a cursory knowledge of this i'm

SPEAKER_37: going to watch this um with my kids and obviously that all ended in the the conquistadors right 15th

SPEAKER_02: 16th century yes it was pizarro pizarro and his crew landed in peru uh they set up shop in lima on the coast and then they proceeded to conquer uh the incan empire we have a second photo of me uh in oyente tambo uh this was the one incan site if we can pull it up it's a fortress that's me in the distance there uh this is the only place where the incans actually won a battle against the spanish because they were spanish had cannons the spanish had a lot of advanced weaponry they had they had sailed there and so they they conquered you could still in cuzco today which was the incan capital that the spanish conquered you could see they built their cathedrals right on top of the incan temple so you could see that it's incan and the foundation and then it's like a cathedral above an amazing

SPEAKER_342: place if you ever get a chance to visit peru folks all right there you have it folks one last thing i

SPEAKER_02: want to tip people off and you as well jason on sunday on disney plus another national geographic documentary is arriving it's called ghost elephants but here's the interesting thing about it directed and narrated by verner herzog oh my favorite we've got a trailer it's about a south african conservationist and botanist dr steve boys he's in angola tracking a mysterious previously undiscovered species of elephant they have not really done a good job of promoting this i feel like people do not know this is happening on sunday but sunday on disney plus you can go watch a

SPEAKER_32: new verner herzog nature documentary we got a bit of cannot wait uh he is incredible his voiceover and his performance vocal performance is always extraordinary you know everybody loves when

SPEAKER_126: i tell them about whatever gadget i'm buying you know me i got i got a very heavy amazon finger my

SPEAKER_125: trigger for amazon very high was dealing with a bit of an issue around the house two of the daughters get into audiobooks the 10 year olds and then another daughter is she's in her music phase so i got three kids running around with over-the-air headphones bit of a problem because you say hey it's dinner time

SPEAKER_14: there's no response right and then everybody's kind of zoned out and that's okay with me i love

SPEAKER_37: the fact that people uh you know experience audiobooks i'm really excited that my my young girls are getting into that early and i'm really excited that my daughter and i share music and we we talk about queen and we talk about bob dylan and we talk about dire straits the classics she loves

SPEAKER_125: bowie i feel like i'm doing my job so i had to find a solution for this problem and there is a company called shocks s-h-o-k-z um and i think i may have seen bill gurley wearing these years ago these are bone conducting headphones um and they go over your ear and they have one called open run pro 2 and you can get like a small size you put this over your kids ears and uh people use this for sports mainly because if you're in the gym you don't have to wear something bulky but the sound is incredible it does you don't have to use the bone conducting you probably won't use the bone conducting now you'll just listen to it through the speakers but you can uh and now when somebody's on the swing listening to some music or somebody's in their room listening to an audiobook and i say hey it's dinner time or i come in and start talking to them they you know can hear me and they can pause the music etc and um i i much prefer the open air headphones if we're traveling obviously on an airplane i'm not sure

SPEAKER_126: how these will perform uh compared to the noise canceling ones but this has been a nice for me when i'm hiking and working out as well going around the ranch i have to be aware of my

SPEAKER_26: surroundings at all times yeah you don't always want it to be completely immersive when i'm at my

SPEAKER_126: desk i will wear my focal five thousand dollar utopia headphones and i'll get into i've been listening to some coltrane man holy cow man i mean i guess i'm going into my jazz phase now but i listen to some miles davis and coltrane and it is amazing on those headphones but for a podcast i'm going to

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