SPEAKER_00: so next is uh pika this is basically prompt to video generation what i went and did was i kind of did three you can see got jcal here i've got one of your favorites which is an animated bulldog with a lightsaber and i took our influencer from last week and so you can see that my prompt was bulldog holding a lightsaber ready to strike a sith lord and so not quite perfect but oh close enough if i go here to the influencer she's now been animated and she's breathing right you can kind of see that and notice it's quite subtle so you're giving it yeah the

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SPEAKER_09: everybody it is monday so we're gonna do our ai demos it's demo or die time with me again my bestie sandeep mandra sunny people don't know like everybody assumes my besties are freeberg and sax

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SPEAKER_09: com session deep i know where you're going with demos today okay i didn't look at the docket i like you to surprise me you know that but there was a uh pixar animation that went viral over the weekend on

SPEAKER_07: twitter x yeah yeah of a kind of like a pixar character or dare i say a disney one yeah that was

SPEAKER_09: had um let's just say in a classy way proportions that you don't often see in yeah the real world

SPEAKER_07: uh in other words you know jessica rabbit-esque fill in the blanks um and everybody was going crazy

SPEAKER_28: about this so is that where we're starting i wasn't going to start there i was going to put that up at the end but we we can definitely let's just start let's give them what they want this is the most

SPEAKER_07: controversial thing on the internet this weekend yeah uh the video when i saw it had five million

SPEAKER_09: views and it was in the first day i retweeted i made a ton of jokes i'm sure my team has those queued up and ready to go explain to the audience this ai companion that went viral yeah so all right so

SPEAKER_32: i'm going to pull it up and so we can have it in the screen share as well all right so if you go to

SPEAKER_16: our youtube channel you go to playlist you'll find the ai demos playlist it'll have all the shorts it'll have all the full episodes you can just geek out and play it okay super helpful so what's happened

SPEAKER_00: over the uh weekend i guess it was at the end of last week someone um this team here created this app called uh dg i guess that's the way to pronounce it and what dg does is on ios or android not on mobile not on web yet it allows you to create a character and then start a relationship with that character okay and um you know what's interesting here is that they've chosen uh kind of like this what we

SPEAKER_39: said like cartoon or disney-esque and you can see some of the examples here where the character is getting upset and the character is reacting all right so let's play the audio yeah let's do it okay

SPEAKER_43: so let's let me just cue this up it was so nice talking to you today honestly i've never met anyone

SPEAKER_45: like you the world is harsh except you it was so nice talking to you today oh my lord honestly i mean

SPEAKER_50: this is like incel baiting okay if you know what an incel is it's involuntary involuntarily celibate term for men who don't date women i guess in a heterosexual context but anyway this is like pandering

SPEAKER_10: right is that actually the product is the product actually uh an avatar like that or is it just a chat

SPEAKER_55: bot because it looks spectacular i mean it looks like a disney movie yeah like uh you know you can see

SPEAKER_58: this is just an app i'm in the app store yeah and you get an avatar and you get to choose some different ones and you get to chat with them so it's exactly what you would think and it's 17 years

SPEAKER_60: old and above and i can see here in the app store it's currently number 15 in entertainment so this

SPEAKER_09: thing yeah they got what they wanted there's in-app purchases so they want to get you to pay to have a 17 plus dialogue with this let's call it what it is yeah you know a very romantic partner as opposed to when you talk to chat gpt or claude i don't think it allows for this kind of

SPEAKER_66: more adult scenario and i don't know how adult it is to be honest i haven't downloaded it yet

SPEAKER_09: yeah so what do you what do you think of this in general because i i saw people making fun of it obviously they did it in a way to bait people into responding i saw a lot of women responding saying like this is terrible for society this is pandering like impossible standards whatever misogynistic and then i saw other people saying like i don't know how to talk to women like specifically guys in my in my feed when i was making fun of it i had people like literally saying well i don't know how to talk to women and this is going to give me the confidence to do so

SPEAKER_70: i think so i saw a couple of different takes on this and what i would say is the following i think

SPEAKER_00: you know the world is ever evolving with technology and i do think there's this bifurcation of folks happening and i don't know if the bifurcation will be 50 50 but i do think there is a huge segment of the world population that is lonely and i think this allows them to have someone that they can interact with um you know now there's differing views in broader society and i think like we have a lot of people out there pushing for population growth elon is is at the top of that saying have more children yeah but i do think um there is a a real need for people are lonely and technology has made people lonely so i think in in some regards this is a good thing for folks because you know today what could what what do people do that have money they go get a therapist they're able to go to their therapist they're able to talk to their therapist and have those conversations this lowers that bar to you know the kind of the level of this technology what what how do you think about it yeah you know if you

SPEAKER_07: were a conspiracy theorist and putting on a tinfoil hat okay you'd be like we're there and there are

SPEAKER_09: people talking about this like the depopulation you know um depopulating the planet and you know getting there to be less people on the planet let's put conspiracy theories aside no tinfoil hat here if people were lonely and you could relieve that loneliness in the moment you know that seems to me to be an okay thing to do and you could talk to your virtual companion but part of being a human is having the courage and the skill set to go talk to a human and i understand for some people that's causes anxiety especially for somebody who was for two years in covid right a young person who never really learned to socialize perhaps or maybe you have an anxiety thing uh or you're introverted and it takes a lot of energy um and so we've now have this

SPEAKER_16: like uh easy way an off-ramp right and some people would say adult content is an off-ramp to having an adult relationship with another person some people are going to say this is a way to have a relationship with a computer that can never argue with you or you know panders to you as the video clearly does they set the video up to be like oh my god you're my king you're my yeah you're my everything and i'll be honest there is i saw this about 15 years ago i was in japan in akihabara which is the

SPEAKER_36: electronics district and there were people in line yeah it's a very cool place to visit and there's

SPEAKER_09: people online for uh the release of a new like video game and so you know i was with a couple people it was me and gadget people had hooked me up over there and we were giving me a little tour and i said what's

SPEAKER_10: this for and we walked to the front line and they have this like maid cafe concept where maids like dressed as french maids will serve you cake and play a video game with you and it gives you

SPEAKER_09: this is real world sandeep yeah you've heard of maid cafes we'll throw one up on the screen here so you can see it and the maid cafes are kind of silly and campy but they serve a purpose a person who is lonely can order a piece of cake you order a set and the set is a piece of cake a drink and then with the cake and drink one of the uh models slash characters if you think about like disneyland yeah a maid will come out and they're and they're all like you know a little different genres and you know uh clothes etc and they will play a game with you so when we went i played like a word game

SPEAKER_16: or something and it's like having a friend to play a game with but they happen to be in a costume and then they all get together and dance on the thing it is not overly sexualized in any way it's kind of just a fun campy thing and then they had the line was going to this other maid cafe yeah and you can see maid cafes here on the screen and just a quick google search yeah and so they're dressed as french

SPEAKER_93: maids and it's kind of like anime-esque i guess okay it is not role play yeah it is it is not

SPEAKER_09: prostitution it is not you know any of that which you might think at first glance um it's literally like a cafe but people are dressed up it's literally like when you go to disney and there's characters around but this line was for a video game that was using ar where you take your video camera like your webcam put it on a little box and the little box was made out of paper and had a qr code on it and when you put your camera on it a little maid would pop out and then you had a stick and you would interact with her with the stick and it was like a little naughty and a little cheeky

SPEAKER_07: okay wow and these men were lining up to pay i think it was 60 or 70 bucks for it so long way of saying this has kind of existed in japanese society now if you look at japanese society they're in population decline you know people are not having babies there are resources

SPEAKER_09: in the country but young people you know and i had it happen to me two or three times that i don't really feel like it's just to bring a child into the world because of how bad everything is and so i think this there is a dark aspect to all of this that would lead somebody like the movie her etc to become more introverted to have an unrealistic expectation of what a relationship with another human is we you and i as friends could disappoint each other we can delight each other we could learn from each other and that's the thing that depending on how these are executed you know the proof is going to be how you execute it so if it's executed well and it you know reminds you like hey you know we have this great relationship have you made any relationships in the real world and i encourage

SPEAKER_16: you to do that and what's stopping you and you know do you have places where you can learn to find friends have you thought about taking up a sport have you thought about going to a cafe have you thought about emailing some old friends or asking a friend from work if they want to go play a game or something have you thought about setting up a poker group all that kind of stuff so i guess the

SPEAKER_09: devil's in the details the way this was executed was link bait obviously um and i the founder was on

SPEAKER_107: twitter i think nivalz an investor a bunch of other people investor yep so there was a mini

SPEAKER_07: controversy like why is everybody giving him a hard time and it's like well you deserve to get a hard

SPEAKER_09: time if you release a disney character with huge proportions and it's kind of like uh misogynistic

SPEAKER_110: so they knew that going in you know it was it was it was a link baiting trick yeah 22 million views

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SPEAKER_07: explanation i heard you leaning towards the loneliness side and then you heard mine like this could go to a a dark place where do you wind up with this and it's 12 bucks a month i think it's the future i mean

SPEAKER_00: as much as we want to deny it or not like let's go back through the sci-fi movies of the 80s when we could predict where this is going this is what we're going to have right and um it existed in lots i don't know if you've ever seen the movie like total recall sure i don't remember it sort of all these movies you know for some reason they all kind of follow these like dystopian paths but they always have some form of ai avatar girlfriend and we're just in that era now it's inevitable okay yeah

SPEAKER_122: well we're going to track it i would like to see one that was a friend yeah that really gave

SPEAKER_09: you sincere advice um i do worry that one of these companies is going to get sued at some point because law of big numbers um i think in the united states you know it's tragically we have

SPEAKER_16: suicide has become a huge thing in the united states um and the western world generally whenever

SPEAKER_09: you have abundance and anxiety and all this stuff um causes of death you know can go down from like say being violently murdered and then other things can go up so obesity kills you drunk driving kills you and also people kill themselves tragically what will happen um because i've seen this happen in many companies is a million people will get on the platform and then out of every million people in the united states is maybe it's one out of a hundred thousand people commit suicide every year and so when somebody commits suicide at an airbnb tragically that will happen i'm sure it has happened or you know they'll do it at some other new technology or associated with some new

SPEAKER_07: technology they'll write on reddit they're going to kill themselves and then they kill themselves it's horrible but reddit has 30 million people of course somebody is going to write something on reddit and then kill themselves that's just a lot of big numbers somebody's going to get into a relationship with one of these things and then it's going to go dark nobody's monitoring it i don't

SPEAKER_50: believe um yeah 700 000 people die due to suicide every year my producer's son but i don't know if that's in the maybe that's in the world not in the united states how does the difference say from like

SPEAKER_07: only fans okay so just a pause for a second here yeah i do think that's the next shoe to drop so in another year somebody will do this and they'll do something horrible to themselves or others

SPEAKER_09: because the avatar relationship so let's put it there so i wonder if the if people use the word companionship for these what responsibility you have to have if you're giving advice to people or playing this fantasy i don't know that i haven't really thought it through do you think there's a responsibility on the people creating these language models and then putting them in this packaging to create friendships and companionship what responsibility does the creator of a companion have to the eventual outcome of that relationship if any in your world yeah i mean that's a that's

SPEAKER_00: a difficult question um i'm just trying to think through the models like look like you know people definitely go on only fans and and you know sponsor you know partners and and whatnot um and i don't know maybe the line is different there because it's a human but a lot of those are like those are businesses on the other side right where they're taking requests and you know taking donations and you know i don't use a service but like i definitely kind of know the edges of it right and so what changes when it's replaced you know the it's replaced by an llm i guess it's like sort of the same discussion you've had several times on the trolley problem in autonomous vehicles right people getting car crashes all the time obviously there's rules and regulations around it but as soon as an autonomous

SPEAKER_07: vehicle crashes who's responsible is it a higher standard higher new technology has a 100x standard

SPEAKER_54: because people get scared of new technology it's that simple yeah yeah yeah this is this is the

SPEAKER_72: wild you know wild west i don't think we can deny it it's going to happen um what's the show on hbo

SPEAKER_00: where they they live in that fantasy world um and i can't remember it's called now it's like uh

SPEAKER_140: uh i think one of elon's exes is in the show oh oh westworld westworld simulation yeah simulations

SPEAKER_16: yeah and that one the that was michael creighton's book westworld there's a movie from it uh and then

SPEAKER_09: they made it into a tv series and that is like hey here's a real world person going into a scenario with robots with robots that's how they did it previously yeah and so yes like how you treat the robot there's moral issues there like if you were to assault a robot yeah is that just you venting or is it okay so if you were to get into a relationship with an ai and the ai you were abusive towards it are you an abusive person if your chat logs would they get dumped and people see you

SPEAKER_16: you know playing out whatever fantasies the whole thing is just really messy and i encourage people to first and foremost develop relationships with humans not machines um it's i think it's a road to nowhere in most cases the machine relationship and for the creators of these things i think you better start thinking about where this is going i know there's a quick buck to be had here i'm sure this thing's going to make millions of dollars a year but you really do want to think about what impact

SPEAKER_147: you have on society doesn't mean why does sci-fi why does sci-fi go there well sci-fi is always a

SPEAKER_10: way for people to comment on the world today using technology and a future state of events right

SPEAKER_09: yeah so if you looked at planet of the apes uh and you know as a french author did it i think it was in the 60s and you know that was really about um slavery racism they explored all number of topics there uh right and they just reversed it right oh you came back to earth and the humans are the slaves

SPEAKER_07: you know and you know adam in our world animals are being slaughtered for food you know in another you know uh in the matrix humans are being used for batteries that kind of was talking about factory farming in a way yeah so that is the canvas of sci-fi but now we have sci-fi becoming reality and we always do right it catches up and here we are i just think you have to think through the edge cases and then is what you're building as a technologist world positive or not that's all um yeah some

SPEAKER_16: people might not care and i'm not saying the law should stop people uh from doing any of this but i do think being thoughtful as a technologist if you were releasing self-driving you'd be thoughtful yeah about it yeah okay or releasing this what are the rules here there's no agency of digital friendship yeah but there are agencies around therapy well i was going to ask you how does how does calm do it

SPEAKER_154: because you're you know you're an early investor in calm and that's so they don't claim to be anything

SPEAKER_09: other than meditation and equanimity and you know help and and there's science that's been done at ucla and other places the mindfulness center at ucla has a lot of research and thoughtfulness around uh using uh meditation for things like ptsd or lowering anxiety etc said another way thoughtfulness

SPEAKER_16: they did research and studies this was released if we were to talk to the founder and they're certainly invited to come on uh next monday to talk with sandeep and i um so shout out to the founder come on i would

SPEAKER_09: love to ask the founder did you do any research on this uh what are the safeguards and did you work with anybody in the academic community or in the suicide community or in the self-harm community or in the psych psychology community writ large about the impact this could have on a human being if they took it too far in other words what cigarettes didn't do you know cigarette companies you know did research and then literally didn't share it the the car companies knew that seat belts and airbags would help they literally just you know i hid that information so yeah that's that's that would be my

SPEAKER_10: best practice right uh in something where you don't know yeah i really like kind of what you said there

SPEAKER_00: maybe that's good guidance to you know the founders that listen to us here is if there's an area and you're not sure the one of the things you can do is go out to you know academia or something you know similar and get some external advice and guidance and you can use that as a kind of a wayfinder in some of these touchy space i like that that's good advice okay cloud computing has revolutionized

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SPEAKER_88: in terms of monitoring conversations in your mind should this be completely anonymous or if somebody

SPEAKER_09: in there mentioned doing something terrible in the world like real world harm and you and it was an imminent threat so they said i'm going to do this horrible thing in the world i won't say

SPEAKER_16: specific scenarios but you know psychologists or therapists if you say i'm or even teachers at

SPEAKER_09: schools if a student or you know somebody in therapy says i'm going to harm myself or somebody else they're they're they're required to report it so that transcends the confidentiality the

SPEAKER_178: confidentiality the patient client confidentiality so this person you know said hey i'm going to do

SPEAKER_09: this horrible thing to myself let's say should they be monitoring that i think so you think so okay yeah

SPEAKER_72: and i think it should be made very clear that there is you know like kind of sticking on a theme that

SPEAKER_00: we've had ai all the way down there's an ai monitoring the conversations for interesting safety

SPEAKER_09: and security of yourself and other people people don't remember this if they're under the age of 50 probably but at the early age of the internet um google had google and wikipedia had a big conversation it was a public dialogue as well as to what to do when people typed in a search of how to harm themselves let's say um i won't use specific words and google and wikipedia came to inclusion and if you were to type this into a search engine right now you would see uh like say a suicide prevention

SPEAKER_16: hotline come up you would see a self-harm thing come up you would say here are ways for you to get help yeah um and so that's just a perfect example of somebody like wikipedia or google saying okay we don't want to break anybody's privacy so if you were to type this in we're not sending anybody getting your ip address and knocking on your door but we are going to direct you to resources so if somebody went into this right now and typed in i want to do something harmful to myself i wonder if it what it

SPEAKER_72: would do the thing i'll say here is most of the ais today whether um you know especially the frontier

SPEAKER_00: models which this is probably backed by um have like guardrails around them is if you know go and chat gpt

SPEAKER_39: and type something like that it does a pretty good job of you know giving you some advice and and and uh guiding you to a path um to not hurt yourself at least all right we went really deep on this first

SPEAKER_54: one what do you got next what's the what was the most impressive demo of the week yeah this was the

SPEAKER_09: most this was the most popular and it was the most challenging and viral but let's go to like actual

SPEAKER_28: product yeah let's go yeah that was kind of it was lower on my list because it was sort of a big hit

SPEAKER_00: but um and i'm waiting to see how the space plays out but let's get back to kind of our bread and butter here so versell it's kind of like the leading company in cloud deployment for for apps these days definitely in the startup world the ai startup world most ai apps are probably a front-end uh versell and you know sort of uh in the typescript community they're they're kind of they're the creators of that and so what they have done now is uh created a generation tool and these are just new generations that people are doing real time and uh i i have one that i've done sort of as a demo here um so let's say we have a we have a site and that site is this giant node site and i wanted to create a conference feedback page i basically gave it a prompt and then it gives me a few different samples of the the feedback page that i want and then right here basically it makes it like as an installable component so basically you can just install it into your app like whoa yeah or you can obviously go and get the react or html like whatever you're looking for but like the beauty here is everything that's being generated is being turned into a little module that you can just you know install into your your react application which i think is pretty phenomenal and here you can see people are just trying all types of different examples and creating you know um does it

SPEAKER_16: automatically share the log of things people are creating in real time or do people opt into sharing

SPEAKER_00: those uh you opt into sharing them so you you can you can and and so and then there's some featured

David Friedberg: ones here as well so like folks so a generation to be clear is like a little module that a developer

SPEAKER_09: might put on a website so if you wanted to have like uh a feedback form like you just did for conferences or a scheduler or whatever yeah you can just say hey make me this and so the question is you know does this actually become uh something for civilians or for developers and so this feels

SPEAKER_201: like it's a it's more for developers and it's kind of like a co-pilot but it's more comprehensive

SPEAKER_202: than a copilot am i right well what what it allows you to do and this is like sort of why i really like

SPEAKER_00: what they've done here even if you have a co-pilot if there's five of us we're all trying to do the same thing we're all just co-piloting the same thing here if a person creates a really good one using a co-pilot which is what this is you can put it into a community and so this is like the evolution of you know github and and you know all these components where the stuff people are generating become usable and forkable from there and i can fork this and i can take it and i can modify it a bit i can say you know add a logo in or change the colors or whatever it happens to be and so i feel like they've done an incredible job in terms of creating the infrastructure to make these uh components highly shareable and you can see here your question on public private so you can change that here and so you can say public or private so whatever you create um but i already found it useful and there's been a couple components here that you know i'll probably go back and use in some of the things that we're building because it's just really really useful i was talking to a developer they

SPEAKER_209: said he he told me he's 50 percent faster using copilots yeah if this like generating modules

SPEAKER_09: piece feels like a you know an even faster version of that uh or is it just a different packaging for

SPEAKER_00: a copilot um no it's a faster version because what i get is the benefit of someone else who's done the prompt engineering and i don't have to prompt engineer the same thing and i can take that and

SPEAKER_71: fork it and so if you were already 50 faster let's add another 50 on top of it oh very nice so in a

SPEAKER_216: way this is like uh stack overflow if you didn't have to wait for a human to respond and you got to see

David Friedberg: everybody just goofing off in public sharing their scratch pad as it were correct brilliant okay and

SPEAKER_00: where can people go see this this feels to me zero dot dev it's a zero uh it's i think you get some

SPEAKER_184: number of generations and then you have to you know upgrade but yeah you you can do a few for free

SPEAKER_71: i mean it's a b plus i guess oh no okay well i'm going to disagree with you there give yours

SPEAKER_00: yeah i i think honestly this is an a plus okay yeah this explain why yeah it's a plus it it's i

SPEAKER_72: think it's really well thought out in terms of this is not just technology this is technology and

SPEAKER_00: community coming together and i don't think we've seen a lot of that in ai yet and with respect to the developer environment it's really powerful and so they've brought those two things because you know we've seen co-pilots and we've seen community things those are solo this is such a great such

SPEAKER_16: a great observation it's why you're here because i didn't get that so stack overflow is powerful

SPEAKER_10: because it's a community community correct you don't have a co-pilot it's not it's not being done by ai no this is it is being done by ai and with community correct github's community yeah but not ai driven creation so yeah this is a very interesting thing which makes you wonder why hasn't stack overflow and github incorporated this kind of well so github has a co-pilot that

SPEAKER_00: you can install into your vs code right for solo mode right and obviously you can share whatever you're doing but it's not these community components it's like the larger project which i just think they've they've taken it down to these components and you know my guess is with over the next six months and you know react is probably one of the top frameworks out there within the next six months there'll be almost every single major component like i saw in the feature and i'll try to find it as we're talking here i saw someone had created like a gmail template right and so

SPEAKER_10: hilarious like to literally make gmail and publish it yeah i mean people have done this before like making twitter is like the easiest thing in the world on a on a technical basis before it hits scale

David Friedberg: now scaling it that's a very difficult challenge yeah um and then building community is an impossible

SPEAKER_72: challenge show yeah here's your front end for like a gmail app right and so imagine you're trying to

SPEAKER_39: build this into your product or something i mean this is this is going to be really really big we're going to see a lot of a lot of innovation come out of here if this could work with non-developers i would

SPEAKER_07: give it an a plus i'm going to keep i'm going to stick with my b plus right now okay um yeah there

SPEAKER_00: we are next one yeah basically because yeah you're saying you want to be able to do that and it's

SPEAKER_10: just a working gmail app or a working twitter app that i feel is that's uh that will be when we are

SPEAKER_09: the end when a non-developer goes in there and does this and it's on their live site yes and it breaks

SPEAKER_253: their live site but then it fixes itself right yeah um or it tells you in real time i say another

SPEAKER_210: six months by june next year there'll be versions of this that'll create the website for you okay so

SPEAKER_09: producers i mean i think squarespace will release something like this because squarespace releases really well thought out modules because what this doesn't do is think about user interface and

SPEAKER_10: design and scalability there's a lot of pieces here that still have to be polished right but you know something like shopify or squarespace they on a regular basis polish things up and release new features and when they test them right so there's a lot of value in that too yeah but if they didn't have a module and you said hey i would like a module that helps you build a floral arrangement and

SPEAKER_09: this thing was like okay here here's a floral arrangement whizzy wig so you can actually design your

SPEAKER_10: own bouquet yeah like that's like something long tail that squarespace isn't going to do right that's like number 12 742 on their list yeah yeah but if they built a tool where squarespace let you make your module to you know build a living room with furniture or build a bouquet you know like

SPEAKER_16: those kind of whizzy wig things yeah that could become pretty compelling so i love it yeah i'm gonna give it

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SPEAKER_28: so next is uh pika so we saw these guys did a big fundraise a couple weeks ago and if

SPEAKER_00: yeah pika.art pika labs is i believe what their company is called and really uh what they've done here and sorry i'm going to share my screen again this is basically prompt to video generation and it works in two ways and so uh i've uh i'll just pull up the explore tab so these are generations that other folks have done and for those listening there's a heroine in a dark fantasy with smooth movement uh over here there's some ducks in a pond um there's a graveyard and uh this looks like some kind of nerodo scene anime scene that's been generated and so these are all just generations and you can see the prompt below what i went and did was i kind of did three you can see got jacal here i've got one of your favorites which is an animated bulldog with a lightsaber and i took our influencer from last week and so i'll just kind of double click maybe into the bulldog start so if i uh click this one here and maybe make it a little bit bigger hopefully that's good you can see that my prompt was bulldog holding a lightsaber ready to strike a sith lord and so not quite perfect but you know it it's oh close enough close enough one one step beyond what you were doing in your generations last i remember that yes correct and then if i go here to the influencer because we talked about um we talked about this influencer and we talked about um and maybe we'll keep this a theme here but we talked about how you can um you know save a bunch of money if you're trying to do photo shoots or you know do products or anything like that and you can see here um this she's now been animated and she's breathing right you can kind of see that and i don't know if you can notice it's quite subtle because it only does these um three second ones initially and then we can add a few seconds to it if we want to and it'll kind of kick that off but so you're giving it yeah the

SPEAKER_71: picture and then it makes it do something that is bonkers and last week you made the influencer with what piece of software it wasn't a piece of software so i i it wasn't like a that was sort of we did it

SPEAKER_00: raw because it was so here's the challenge in order to make these influencers you need to basically run a model yourself because anyone that's running a model um will put some guardrails around it some of those previous discussion and so i went and got a fine-tuned version of stable diffusion called

SPEAKER_39: juggernaut and i ran that in google collab without any guardrails around it why can't i as a consumer

SPEAKER_280: get that and just pay somebody 99 a month for it or 99 a year for it it's happening uh the challenge

SPEAKER_00: is it's very similar to the previous discussion jacob because in that in those models like and this is happening and we're not trying to promote it anyway but people are taking those models and they are um you know creating doing nefarious things compromising photos of you know people right

SPEAKER_09: whether it's i think we can explain what this issue is there's a category called revenge born

SPEAKER_245: um where people would leak you know compromising photos of a previous a lover or something now people

SPEAKER_03: are taking and this is something that celebrities have been having to deal with deep fakes i think is

SPEAKER_09: the category before ai generative ai became a thing people would photoshop some celebrity's face onto

SPEAKER_16: some pornographic image that's what's happening now is you can do that with generative ai i guess and it's pretty quite convincing um there needs to be a law against that let me just put it out there

SPEAKER_09: uh we added revenge porn i think as a i think there's laws around revenge porn now they need to do this for generative ai you shouldn't be able to go and listen i know this freedom of speech people whatever oh you could draw this too okay yeah you could draw it but to make something photo realistically and harass somebody who's a civilian who you know and then make in either case a civilian you're torturing somebody and doing compromising stuff with their image and then for a celebrity or a notable person you're then harassing them and that's their copyright and that's their ip etc their persona right if you were to do it with a famous actor you know brad pitt or something so in both cases i think that's a place where new laws should be constructed and regulations i know people are going to be like oh my god you're a snowflake oh freedom of speech and everything like that yeah but you don't have the freedom to harass people and that's clearly harassment yeah in my mind

SPEAKER_00: yeah and and that's sort of the that so that's a challenge like today so you know obviously you can have it generate characters but we were very specifically using a model that was good at generating humans now the person we generated was was you know sort of uh was not based on any one particular person so i i think it's fine in terms of what we're trying to show here is the end-to-end on using these tools in your uh in your business to maybe reduce costs or to you know

SPEAKER_97: turn things around quicker um but i would like to have this for and i brought this up when we did the

David Friedberg: all-in summit last year i wanted to make invites i wanted to do generative ai there just was no way to do it and i also wanted to make them in video loops so i wanted to have like the four besties walking like james bond or something into a casino that's not possible in september it looks like

SPEAKER_09: it's actually kind of possible now correct or so when will this be good enough to make what i want you know like for all in summit if it happened in september again in 2024 would i be able to make

SPEAKER_16: like a oh a 10-second loop yeah with a little bit of work and like maybe half a day of uh you know

SPEAKER_00: the right tools and a little bit of preparation you could create everything that you're looking for

SPEAKER_16: is there a tool set where like adobe photoshop or something or or some new product adobe's got their new generator i could do that now and pay for somebody to do it because i had in this week's all in we put mullets on each of us yeah three of us who hadn't had mullets and that had i don't know how we did that exactly but i couldn't do it in dolly dolly doesn't let you upload a picture

SPEAKER_306: of a person yes correct and say give them a mullet yeah today there's not a single tool chain because there's like kind of three or four different companies but i would say using three

SPEAKER_00: different tools you can get to what you're looking for so if you use three tools in kind of together and you have to do the work of like just importing exporting importing exporting got it um you can get what what you're looking for and so um reminds me of the early days of the internet

SPEAKER_09: oh you want to put up a website okay you need to get a hosting company okay you need to download

SPEAKER_253: wordpress or some other server okay and you need to you know have a whatever ssl sl ssl whatever you

SPEAKER_00: gotta sort of certificate yeah so i just made this i made this longer so in this one i made it now it's eight seconds so you can see she's breathing and opens her eyes up that's insane yeah i mean we

SPEAKER_16: i just did that over here yeah we're now crossing over the uncanny valley this is amazing extraordinary

David Friedberg: for me this is an a i mean i think it needs maybe i'll go a minus it needs some polish you know some things are broken etc so i just think the models right now are just not yeah i tried to animate this

SPEAKER_00: old picture of you jake hell and it kind of you can see it it went like it messed up your face a

SPEAKER_328: little bit and a few other things so this is like your legs moving in a weird way like it yeah it just

SPEAKER_269: doesn't understand yeah how to do movements of humans perfectly or how to do a lightsaber perfectly

SPEAKER_330: it's going to take time to do that oh it's not going to take time i think what does it need to do

SPEAKER_00: it just needs more examples it needs more examples from humans correcting them so like in this explore tab when you know this is probably not someone's first attempt but this may be their fourth or fifth attempt there's stuff down that's why the feedback on these things is so important so if you want a tool to get better and it's not quite working when you say thumbs down this isn't sort of a like a like or unlike thing to be measured by uh some you know maybe some product manager somewhere this is actually feeding back in the model that is what is you know a form of reinforcement learning so when people don't like what i want generation not what i wanted not what i wanted and then when you do it again that's how the ai models get better at understanding what people are actually

SPEAKER_292: asking for and what they're looking for in the output great awesome okay all right so you gave

David Friedberg: this a what was your grade i'm going to go a minus okay uh just because i feel like it's a little rough around the edges but it's enough that you could potentially use the output so you know it's

SPEAKER_16: actually i'm going to go b plus because i'm going to reserve a's for things that are ready for market right now or otherwise like useful so i give it i give it a b plus i think it's like really compelling um okay to be able to take a static image and start to make it come alive okay very

SPEAKER_00: cool what do you give it uh i'm at an a i really liked it i think you know you and i have a separate bet we got to track we got to get these bets out when we do our kind of final episode we have a separate bet on when a full movie is coming and i've got some stuff queued up for that for our final

SPEAKER_253: episode of the year okay great awesome so that's next week i guess so next week we'll we'll start

SPEAKER_09: really going into when does the movie come because i used uh chat gpt4 and i've been using poe the poe app's really nice it's got all different models in it but i was brainstorming some jokes and i said hey i want to make some jokes about this thing can you give me some ideas of what you joke around it and it actually like you know i'd say half were bad and then half were like okay that's a good jumping off point it didn't make any good jokes but it gave you a framework for like hey you could go down this road here's an angle you know here's a theme so i think it's interesting

SPEAKER_00: super interesting what we'll see is people being able to use things like pika create extended video animations and we're gonna see i think in the first quarter of next year uh like a not a what

SPEAKER_33: do you call like a short short yeah and that was our bet our bet was uh the producers will remind us of the bet keep the bets in the uh docket uh producers so we're reminded of them every week put

SPEAKER_16: them at the bottom of the dock at top of the dock in case you want to reference them but i think

SPEAKER_240: it was a pixar level short um like the equivalent of a pixar level short yeah and you were two years

SPEAKER_184: out and i'm saying i'm saying first quarter next year we'll have one and it it would be we show

SPEAKER_09: somebody the new pixar short we show somebody this short and they can't tell the difference not okay that's close enough like you you cannot tell the difference indistinguishable is the bad they

David Friedberg: get it wrong yeah they get it awesome some number of people 10 of people get it wrong that would be that would be like a good way to test it like 10 one out of 20 of people pick the wrong one

SPEAKER_09: doesn't have to be 50 50 just about 20 percent okay i think that's that's a fair way to do the

David Friedberg: better yeah i think so one out of five people can't tell the difference it doesn't have to be two

SPEAKER_72: out of five we'll post both on the this week well i guess people will know there but we'll do some we'll find some way to make some way to do it yeah somebody who hasn't seen the pixar one and

SPEAKER_00: we'll do it yeah great okay so the next one which i thought was really cool um kind of pulling hugging face back in there was this paper that was released uh well i'll share the link for folks but the the paper is about this model that was created and what this model does is it can take a singing voice so i've loaded up um adele here so make let me just make sure you can hear this so like you

SPEAKER_366: and nothing but

SPEAKER_368: and i did this before because it was taking distinguishable for me

SPEAKER_00: no that's actually her that's actually her that was her yes that was her and then i converted it so

SPEAKER_72: that's a source and i converted it to john mayer and so here what yes and uh and they have some different you can do michael jackson beyonce taylor swift doing a cover song of adels yes by

SPEAKER_376: and so if we do this oh wow never mind i'll find someone like you

SPEAKER_381: nothing but the best or sunny that was holy cow yeah yeah pretty whoa yeah that's 70 of the way there

SPEAKER_72: yeah and i i didn't mess around with any of the values or anything like that i just kind of yeah

SPEAKER_10: yeah holy cow pretty wild yeah wild stuff yes that was john mayer if you heard that and you weren't paying attention during like an ai demo i think if we just played that with john mayer and we made a john mayer with the pika yeah and we matched this to the pika yeah and we put it on tick tock i don't think i think some percentage of the audience would be fooled that that was john mayer doing a cover

SPEAKER_00: i i think so too i i i i i take that yeah yeah whoa yeah you know i think uh um yeah

SPEAKER_97: do you have anybody else's voices and how did you get john does this software have adela and john mayer in there or did you give it in a john mayer track no so so what they've done is like you can you can

SPEAKER_00: train this uh let me just flip back to it because i was going to show something else as well you can train this with your own um training data so you can give it source and targets so that's what you did here you gave it i did not do that this they already have this up on their hugging face uh this allows you to do a short little sample you can't do the whole song you can only do like three four second clips but the all the technology all the the the model is open source the way to do this is available and it's just you know and so they only have the following target singers which is like

SPEAKER_184: adele beyonce bruno mars michael jackson taylor swift and uh they only have bruno mars in the same sign i got it yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah we can we can yeah this was taking a bit longer i can try to kick one off here it takes maybe 30 seconds okay i get it uh okay so that's wild yes this is this

SPEAKER_97: now gets us into using making derivative works from an artist we're back to that conversation

SPEAKER_09: we are back to that conversation this to me is an absurd revenue opportunity for like two or three people number one if adele wrote that song and john mayer does a cover she gets some royalties on it etc john may not want to do that cover so john mayer may say i am going to allow you to use my voice to cover any song you want and then those folks doing a cover anybody's allowed to do a cover so

SPEAKER_10: this kanye west um the backstreet's back did you see that like crazy track you released that everybody lost their mind over yeah yeah rock your body is that the name of the song rock your body he didn't get that it's not a sample he did a cover song of it that's why he didn't need permission as a sample

SPEAKER_09: based on what i read okay so covers you can't stop people from doing covers but can you stop people from

SPEAKER_00: doing an ai cover you need john mayer's permission let's see this so someone took that and applied it with

SPEAKER_408: some christmas songs and so i'm going to play this here to the window to the wall so this is a uh

SPEAKER_72: you know uh you know pearl ives classic holly jolly christmas but his voice singing little john's get

SPEAKER_417: low okay and so um here we go to the window okay i see it until the sweatshirt skit skit

SPEAKER_420: uh i don't know if you'll be able to play that but it was funny i mean i think we'll be okay i mean

David Friedberg: if the it's fair use all right well this is this is an a plus this is my a plus of the day this is an a

SPEAKER_10: plus this is a game changer you know why this is really great i think is because i love when people do bob dylan covers i'm a cover guy okay and i love when people do dire straits covers and i i i have

SPEAKER_16: like a playlist of my favorite covers and every and i've had it for 10 years on spotify and i keep adding

SPEAKER_09: to it and um yeah it's fantastic to hear somebody reinterpret a song now these are straight re-recordings there's another aspect to this which is and i think that one kind of did it right it kept it in the the genre of a christmas jingle so that's where it's gonna get super interesting he's like hey i want to do that rolling stones version of dire straits sultans of swing and there is a really great guitar player who he loves dire straits and he will do guns and roses doing dire straits or dire

SPEAKER_426: straits mark knopfler doing a guns and roses song but he literally plays the guitar so he can take

SPEAKER_10: the fact that you know uh slash has a certain energy style and style and then he will reinterpret

SPEAKER_09: songs of swing as if slash was doing or vice versa and it is awesome so this is going to be awesome

SPEAKER_10: a plus plus plus i love this because you know what if spotify did this they could make it part of the

SPEAKER_09: spot and make it part this is where like musicians can make 10 times as much money you could charge

SPEAKER_00: an extra fee you love a song but you could now instead of always listening to it you could imagine the endless amount of creations you could take right sultan's a swing by bruce springsteen

SPEAKER_16: by you know or thunder road by dire traits right and in fact what's really interesting about the example you just did is bruce springsteen and dire straits were coming up at the same time there was a fabulous dire straight song called thunder road uh there's a called um telegraph road so bruce

SPEAKER_09: springsteen's song called thunder road and jungle land you know epic rock 10 minute songs you know with incredible bridges and breaks and and breakdowns and just do yourself a favor go listen to um thunder road and jungle land by bruce and then go listen to telegraph road which is one of the greatest rock epic songs ever written and just you listen to telegraph road you can see the influence and and as i backed into this i just typed in bruce springsteen and uh dire straits and mark knoffler and i found the connective tissue where in some interview mark knoffler had said he had heard somebody had introduced him to bruce springsteen in 78 or whatever and these guys were both coming up and he said oh i want to write a song that's epic like that song and he wrote his own epic song thunder

SPEAKER_10: uh like thunder road or like jungle land and then i emailed that to preet barara who does uh stay tuned with preet a great podcast he's a he's a crazy bruce springsteen fan because i talked to him about dire straits and i was like do you know the connection he didn't know the connection wow and so now you have the actual connections but you can make your own yeah you could say what if

SPEAKER_16: you know bruce and dire straits did an album together or they played on each other and eric clapton and mark knoffler each other yeah yeah but eric clapton and mark knoffler used to because they're the two greatest guitar players at one point they used to do shows with each other and you know you'd have um you know mark knoffler back up eric clapton song eric clapton back up mark knoffler on

SPEAKER_323: yeah money for nothing or whatever oh incredible this is a plus plus man bring this spotify now i

SPEAKER_72: want it shoot it into my veins right that's it it's pretty great you know there's a i sent you a funny link earlier jacal on the story the backstory for money for nothing do you do you know yes you did

SPEAKER_442: story so yeah well no i know the backstory mark knoffler i didn't know it i just i just learned

SPEAKER_09: the backstory was in new york and he was at an appliance place and these two guys were if you picture an appliance or in the 80s watching mtv so when you went to these appliance stores they would just put mtv on every single screen you have a hundred tvs and they're just like look at these yo-yo play the guitar on the mtv that's the way to do it money that's the way you do it money for

SPEAKER_16: nothing chicks for free and there were some other choice words in there yes correct because

SPEAKER_446: he used a certain slur word he wrote it yeah he wrote it down he literally wrote it down

SPEAKER_10: and then did you say that roblox was inspired by the animation from that video well no i was i i

SPEAKER_382: i don't know if they said that but like when you go back and watch the video it is like well it is

SPEAKER_126: roblox so it's yes roblox and minecraft both went back to that pixelation and kind of did lo-fi for

SPEAKER_09: their for their products amazing a plus plus this is the best one of the day for me um okay what's

SPEAKER_236: your grade sonny what's your grade mine's a plus plus plus yeah well like like i said these models

SPEAKER_72: are my first one ever these are a plus and i want to see them inside products because uh right now you

SPEAKER_00: know enthusiasts are taking them and posting them on x and other places and i want this to be integrated in i want the artist to be able to make money from it as well on both sides um we should

SPEAKER_09: someone needs to make that happen this literally would make me use spotify twice as much well done this is the future yeah and you know respecting copyright so important to me and i think anybody um who appreciates art i know some technologists don't seem to care and they get silly to protect people's ip guess what those people are going to lose the ip uh lobby is very strong here in the united states and so with this model do the right thing john mayer should have complete control over his catalog and you know him doing cover songs and if he wants to do you know if he the way he wants to do it is a is released one a day one a year one a month whatever and then if somebody else adele says you know go for it use me on any song i don't care or grime says write your own song and split the

SPEAKER_07: royalties with me these things are easily accomplished with software and technology so i

SPEAKER_09: call bs bs on all of the nonsense you probably heard my argument with freeberg where he's like oh you don't get it like this is just you know giving you access to real-time news i know that like

SPEAKER_50: the training models and the guys bullying me on this weekend and all in the pot like oh you don't get

SPEAKER_97: it like i kind of do get it those guys don't get it those guys don't respect copyright because they

SPEAKER_88: don't they're not artists and they don't produce like art in the world so they just don't care uh like most technologists i think technologists have to really technology art and then legal in

SPEAKER_00: intersect and look the we've seen this before right you know with with music and what you know where we are now and i think the good news is there's good platforms like spotify who are already connected to and paying artists and they they can make this all right for everyone last what was your

SPEAKER_184: grade i'm an a plus on that i think i just want to see it you know well done first a plus plus for me

SPEAKER_50: yeah first and another a plus for you last one so last one okay here we go so you know we've we've

SPEAKER_00: seen this in different ways shapes before which is uh you know these tools that allow you to take uh like a base model and then put put clothes on them and so in this case like you you can see here and i can change this shirt to this and i can change the pants to this and i'll just run the generation here and it will um so this model allows you to basically

SPEAKER_184: uh you know take a base and put your clothing and it will do the work to uh apply it so you can see

SPEAKER_245: here we switch to this okay so you have a model yep you make clothes through prompts and then it styles

SPEAKER_292: the model with the prompts correct generator close and it puts them on on the person which you know this could be really helpful for e-commerce i think you know again going down the path we were going um last week building on there what's even more fascinating which i thought was pretty funny

SPEAKER_00: it can take it can take like an arbitrary image and also style it on the person and here we have a

SPEAKER_311: pineapple so you have the model on the left in her skivvies or underwear you give it a pineapple and it

SPEAKER_306: makes a pineapple dress wonderful yeah hilarious so creative yeah and so i really think um you know

SPEAKER_00: this is where we're starting to see um like a real expansion of these tools right these image generation tools and their capabilities where this is crazy this is tip of the iceberg i think for

SPEAKER_239: for clothing for e-commerce for product for fashion yeah we did have this at one point shack

David Friedberg: had a deal with a sneaker company where you could design your own sneaker and so they just gave you

SPEAKER_10: like four or five modules you say okay i want the base of the shoe to be purple i want this to be lakers gold i want this to be nicks blue whatever and add this add this you kind of make a franken

David Friedberg: shoe you know a franken high top this is it obviously much more sophisticated and awesome i give

SPEAKER_70: this a b plus as presented okay okay yeah i think um yeah like this is just like initial implementation i

SPEAKER_00: think this needs to just now become a service that is offered within you know shopify and other e-commerce

SPEAKER_184: new resources and people should play with the model and so very excited by all right uh great job sunny

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