SPEAKER_00: chat gpt just made available to all its users is memory and what memory is it starts to learn about you in the memory settings of chat gpt which you should have available now it starts to remember and in this particular user's case it's showing that it's traveling to canada for a vacation has SPEAKER_05: a two-year-old daughter named lena daughter oh wow so the language model is storing this as bullet SPEAKER_02: points in your settings seeing this become available globally within chat gpt and this is SPEAKER_08: incredibly dangerous by the way if this got hacked okay uh yeah this week in startups is brought to you SPEAKER_12: by squarespace turn your idea into a new website go to squarespace.com twist for a free trial when you're ready to launch use offer code twist to save 10 off your first purchase of a website or domain vanta compliance and security shouldn't be a deal breaker for startups to win new business vanta makes it easy for companies to get a sock to report fast twist listeners can get a thousand dollars off for a limited time at vanta.com twist and wistia all-in-one video platform for business with tools that help you create manage and measure the impact of your videos try wistia for free at wistia.com startups all right everybody welcome back to this week in startups mantra tuesdays have begun SPEAKER_19: ai tuesdays sunny it's time for demos there's a little bit of news but you know people are here SPEAKER_20: for the demos we got some news too got news too demos and news let's get started let's start with SPEAKER_04: llama 3 because what's happened you know last time we talked about it we had a good episode i think a SPEAKER_00: lot of people tuned in you know what's happened since llama 3 and i'm gonna just pull in like an example and this will be pretty quick and this is why you know sort of what zuck was talking about was so important with respect to the ecosystem is what you can see here this is a good example by min and he's kind of gathered 10 ways that people have taken llama and basically pushing the limits of its David Friedberg: capabilities okay and so to recap llama 3 is facebook's open source language model they released it last week they're working on number four and um it's already shot up in the hugging face rankings to like the top two language models people are really excited about it because it's smaller faster better SPEAKER_04: so the first thing we're going to talk about here is a user sabu shuban have basically taken llama 3 and you can make it such that you can deploy it locally on your computer okay so this is a regular old laptop David Friedberg: and uh you can deploy it on that server as opposed to putting it on an h100 is like what somebody would normally do or put it on a clock chip like you're working on correct okay but now i would suspect SPEAKER_03: if you're running it locally it's incredibly slow and grinds to a halt it's slower and it's good for SPEAKER_00: like like a maybe personal use cases or you want to use it without the internet or if you're kind of coding on a plane and you want a coding assistant without basically you know while you're doing something so there are some limited use cases where this is it's usable it's probably going to operate SPEAKER_04: you know at the speed of like 10 to 15 tokens a second which is you know reasonable for some for David Friedberg: some use cases got it so but it obviously would not if you were offline be able to go to the open web SPEAKER_43: okay so this is important why why is this important okay we understand the fact you can run it on a laptop why is this important because would anybody actually do this showing here is that this is a SPEAKER_00: good way that it may start becoming integrated within applications that don't want to go to the internet and don't want to pay you know when it's out on the internet you have to pay someone for the inference right when you're running it locally on your machine we go back to the good old days of SPEAKER_50: jcal box software ah got it yeah when i was running my uh entrepreneurial efforts in my youth in brooklyn about seven miles from where i am right now in lorman okay so that makes sense i can think of David Friedberg: one application here if i have this on my local computer and i wanted to index everything on my computer there you go all my photos maybe all my documents whatever my mp3 files whatever i have locally most people store everything on the cloud but you might have a copy people take dropbox or icloud or outlook microsoft drive and they and they syndicate here so yeah you can run this on your local computer like a local search engine of your computer got it yeah it makes total sense we're gonna go through SPEAKER_02: these quickly someone took llama 3 8b which is a smaller model yeah and extended the context length to 160k explain context length give an example just so people know the default model is 8 000 tokens SPEAKER_00: right so remember we this is we just use this proxy think of a token as a word it's not quite but it's it's a great proxy yeah so the default model only comes with a context length of 8k so 8 000 tokens which would be SPEAKER_18: for example a long newspaper or magazine article a book you know that's a five hour audio book or David Friedberg: something might be 50 60 000 words a long book might be 100 000 words yeah so just to give people context here this small model basically would take like a sunday magazine or a new york new yorker article a long article and be able to put that in the context window correct and the context window needs to be SPEAKER_00: have enough space for both input and output right and so if you're trying to summarize a long book you wanted to basically make sure it has space to summarize it as well but what we've seen here is people have extended the training and they used 200 million tokens additional tokens to basically extend the context length to 160k it's fun this is yeah sort of the things that you know zach wanted to happen you know this one's very similar to you know things we've said but like people have made it a co-pilot within vs code you know today the leading co-pilot microsoft had their earnings last week and they talked about you know they have millions and millions of paying co-pilot users well now you can use llama 3 with your you know maybe you can use it locally or you can use it remotely and basically you can have it as a co-pilot in vs code another user here has enhanced it for function calling which is really useful this is tool selection so if you wanted to you know you want to use um the model in a workflow where it needs to make a decision to go out to the internet to do something this user here has extended it so SPEAKER_68: that it can do function calling and it knows which tool to use depending on the question and there's like an example here it's using like a currency converter to do currency conversions here someone SPEAKER_00: has squeezed it to make it run on a single four gigabyte gpu these are all those things that zuck was talking about which could be interesting innovations some could be useful some could spark other ideas and here basically what the user has done is they've done like a divide and conquer approach and like how they're doing the layer wise inference here a user you know interesting love using rock basically built a video summary tool so what you can do here is you can basically drop in a link to a video and it'll create like an instant summary for you without you having to watch it which is great you know sometimes we don't have times to watch the one hour and 40 plus minute olin podcast SPEAKER_70: intense jay cow and so it was a long one this week yes for sure i'll just do one or two more here SPEAKER_00: this is just showing the world the realm of possibilities here someone has combined lava and we've demoed that before that's a vision model with llama three so using the capabilities of llama three with SPEAKER_02: the vision capabilities of lava who is lava who that's an open source project yeah that's an open SPEAKER_00: source project that is basically um it really meant for research it's you have to go get a commercial license you can't use it for commercial without getting a license from them and you can see in the example where they've combined the reasoning capabilities remember of llama three eight billion which was as good as llama 270 billion with a vision model up front and so this is really exciting uh as well yeah here this i'll do this as the last one and then we can kind of move on well this one might David Friedberg: invite this one might impact some bets i think this week in startups.com slash bets to see sun and i betting like lunatics on ai predictions yeah so this one basically someone again created a variant of llama SPEAKER_00: 3 abacus and basically they've made it available within their iphone app so this is running locally on your iphone app for you know the small model which is awesome wow yeah so this is something we David Friedberg: thought was gonna happen at some point and now you can think well the context window could be all of your contacts on your phone all of your eye messages on your phone things that exist on your phone maybe it can record your maybe you could build an app that records your screen and then adds everything that you record on your screen puts it in llm that's local on your phone and then if your phone gets dumped or like you know it's encrypted then nobody would know so there's this concern that i want to give my information to open ai or microsoft or some other third party that's no bueno for me but imagine and i had the guy i forgot his name it'll come to me in a moment who's doing the recording everything SPEAKER_60: on your desktop and i challenged him on the pod like are you recording signal on people's desktops like we're recording your whole desktop i'm like well the expectation with signal is that those aren't recorded so you're kind of like building a tool without ethics to record things that aren't supposed to be recorded right and then you're putting it into a model that you're storing and it gets hacked David Friedberg: now you're going to be in trouble here so this would if it's your local copy optimized for iphone let's say or android stored encrypted all of your data for all time recording everything you do could record every phone call or you know the metadata of the call in and out every conversation you have and then you could ask it who haven't i talked to in the last week that i should talk is hey you haven't called your mom you haven't texted with your mom it could start to understand everything on SPEAKER_85: your phone i think this is very powerful when we start seeing these language models running locally SPEAKER_87: hey startups you ever notice how successful businesses are constantly evolving well that's because they add fresh 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should have available now it starts to remember and in this particular user's case it's showing that it's traveling to canada for a vacation has a two-year-old SPEAKER_03: daughter named lena daughter oh wow so the language model is storing this as bullet points in your settings so you don't have to tell it because i remember there was another feature not called SPEAKER_94: the memory it had a bad name but i would put in there i like sources and i like things presented SPEAKER_95: in tables exactly that but this is much better because it's happening in real time so i wonder David Friedberg: if we did ask it hey put that in the table hey cite your sources if it would put into its memory you like SPEAKER_00: sources you like you like well yeah and you know it's doing it sort of automatically and also like you can force it to put something in there but i'm just bringing this up because you were talking about how you think people are going to use this on local models but we're seeing this become available SPEAKER_08: globally within chat gpt and this is incredibly dangerous by the way if this got hacked okay uh yeah SPEAKER_98: this is very dangerous and this is where i think breakdown why you think it's changed you know David Friedberg: google has your search data instagram and tick tock have their algorithms watching what you look at what you like etc that could be very revealing people have complained before like oh my god i'm suffering from depression or i have cancer like the health stuff comes to prominence very quickly oh my god they have these searches i did etc that's why people should use things like the brave browser SPEAKER_94: which has a built-in vpn shout out to my friends at brave and you know incognito mode was the big joke like they called it i think porn mode but not in not private mode is i think what the google SPEAKER_47: engineers jokingly called it because it doesn't do anything and google got in trouble right because yeah you saw this recently they were sending themselves information on your incognito yes anyway SPEAKER_00: this is um why this is um i want to finish this example for for the listeners j cal where so the user basically told it the name of its golden retriever and cat and basically that went in the memory here that's what it's showing and then the user in a future example it says create a photo of my pets riding a surfboard and you'll see chat gpt create an image and it says here is the image of your golden retriever and main cooncat riding a surfboard i hope you like how they look and and you got to remember that in in the prompt all the user said was create a photo of my pets riding a surfboard please and it used its memory to enhance the response to the end user so yeah i mean this is David Friedberg: going to be very powerful and very dangerous so if it knows when you know your parent died got a tragedy in your life when you got a cancer diagnosis whatever it is these things are really not things you want SPEAKER_43: a company like open ai or google or microsoft to have their hands on and to have this whole psychographic of you which microsoft has had you can spoof all these things very easily when you sign up for these services create yourself a burner account tell them you're the opposite gender you know add or remove 20 years from your age and use a burner email address so that these companies don't track you that's like number one use a vpn number two i suggest nordvpn or the built SPEAKER_106: in brave vpn both of those are pretty solid uh both of those also have sponsored the program because i SPEAKER_107: love their products just so you know like the way the ads work on this show yeah i tell them what SPEAKER_60: products i like they email me talking about the products on the show the people who are marketing like oh my god jacow loves audible jacow loves you know linkedin jobs jacow loves you know uh squarespace great well have him read those ads because it's not an ad it's like an endorsement like i love notion and coda and squarespace like all those things you hear me talk about in the ads are actually i'm using it every day so we have our choice we can skim the cream with the best partners and brave and nord SPEAKER_109: vpn two really great products shout out to nord and um brave you have to use those things you use a vpn SPEAKER_111: in brave or no no i i i i use chrome and i use i use vpns only when i'm traveling big mistake you SPEAKER_113: got to have your vpns on all the time shields up and you gotta have you can't use chrome because you're giving every single thing you do to google yeah and google has shown you probably like any David Friedberg: corporation yeah whatever they say whatever you think you should not trust them they can dump your SPEAKER_47: search history and look i probably need to think about this more but like i have different chrome SPEAKER_00: profiles that one for work and i want you know personal one and my personal one i like that it's looking at all that because i use the google search app and you know newsfeed is that because it's kind SPEAKER_41: of looking at everything i'm searching so you've made a decision that you don't mind it yeah yeah i SPEAKER_19: think it's a better experience for me okay yeah i mean that and that is the gift take if you give of yourself and that's what we're seeing here and you get more personalization i do think you know and i'm not being a conspiracy theorist here um people should use brave as their default which shields up as their default and then back it up with you know chrome or something that's my best advice and always by default have your vpn on only because you could get intercepted and on wi-fi and you'll forget like you'll forget and like you know when i'm at an airport i'm at starbucks whatever i just SPEAKER_60: don't want to not have more just so you know so and nordvpn by the way has something called double vpn which is nuts they do like a vpn to a vpn so like oh big double layer of the vpns it's incredible and then when you're overseas i like to use sirius xm hulu nba yeah then you can get that yeah and you know like i'd say you know those services sometimes play cat and mouse with the vpns to try to ban them from using it i would say nordvpn has the best track record for me in my experience i'm SPEAKER_00: going to try that you know my current go-to is i don't use public wi-fis i use my hotspot on my SPEAKER_73: phone that that does help a lot and so i never go on public wi-fis but and if i'm traveling i use vpns for the exact same reason you're talking about so i can get to us-based services and by the way these SPEAKER_43: things went from being like 30 40 bucks a month to be like five or ten bucks a month so you don't really have an excuse if it's a hundred bucks a year like just get it folks if you hear my voice SPEAKER_135: and i'm not saying that because they're partners you can pick whichever vpn you like i'm just telling you the one that is the most rock solid and i have it on my phone my laptop and my desktop boom rock SPEAKER_47: and roll um should we do tesla really quick you wanted to talk about uh fsd we only had a small David Friedberg: amount of time to talk about it on all in and you know we're asking to get predictions or whatever so people are like oh you guys don't understand you guys don't understand how fsd works i'm like i'm using fsd pretty great um and they're like you don't understand it's now it's a neural network it's not the c code i'm like i do because when i click the button it says we're no longer using c plus plus lines of code we're using the neural network and yeah you know i've met the guy who runs uh you know like i do understand that folks and so when i said i think it's going to take 10 years for five to ten percent of the rides to be automated i was talking number one on a global basis because jurisdiction matters and number two just the number of drivers out there available and the competition how expensive robo taxis are incredibly expensive teslas are incredibly cheap because they're already out there but net net net there's regulation there's the technology working in all markets all climates all conditions all roads all edge cases and so i thought i don't know in five years if of the 10 billion SPEAKER_43: rides uber is doing and i think there's probably that mean i think uber might have less than one percent of all rides globally in the world like you're not talking about paid um rides on just just trips i think there's something like a trillion trips or something so if they have 10 billion they have one percent right and a hundred billion rides would be 10 so let's just say for argument's sake i don't know if this is true but let's just say uber's one percent of all global rides and then who knows how many um how quickly this will roll out by jurisdiction on a global basis i suspect foreign jurisdictions will do it first you know if you're in uae you know you need to get the government's permission and you know they could just have these up and running in dubai tomorrow because it's a top-down government who moves quickly somewhere like the united states in europe you can have regulators and local and protests i mean that's how democracies work so it's going to be much David Friedberg: slower so i took the position one percent of rides per year for five to ten years it seems like back of the envelope that one percent of rides by the way is 10 billion rides a year so that means 10 billion rides you know in 2026 i don't think that'll happen by the way that's a lot of rides but let's just say in 2027 it went to 10 billion then 20 billion then 30 billion then 40 billion what's happening is it's not taking away from uber or lyft in my mind it's taking away from car ownership and public transportation as well as the dog fight between the ride sharing services and people are like oh my god you're crazy you know next week or this year tesla's gonna flip a switch and they're SPEAKER_145: gonna own all of ride sharing and i'm like that's not possible because it's not legal in these SPEAKER_146: jurisdictions listen a strong sales team can make all the difference for a b2b startup but if you're going to hire sharks you need to let them hunt and you can't slow them down with compliance hurdles like sock 2. what is sock 2 well any company that stores customer data in the cloud needs to be sock 2 compliant if you don't have your sock too tight your sales team can't close major deals it's that simple but thankfully vanta makes it really easy to get and renew your sock 2 compliance on average vanta customers are compliant in just two to four weeks without vanta it takes three to five months vanta can save you hundreds of hours of work and up to 85 percent on compliance costs and vanta does more than just sock 2. they also automate up to 90 compliance for gdpr hipaa and more so here's your call to action stop slowing your sales team down and use vanta get a thousand dollars off at vanta.com SPEAKER_148: twist that's vanta.com twist for one thousand dollars off your sock too you sold your last company two David Friedberg: companies ago to ford you have a lot of experience with self-driving and with car technology and then definitive was sold to grok so you've got a lot of things in language models with your unique perspective you've heard my position obviously tesla bulls are out there saying they're going to win it all i get it you know if you own the stock you might talk it up and obviously you never bet against elon but i think he'll just get as many rides as uber over some period of time but i don't think it's actually taking away from uber lyft i think it's just taking away from people driving any service driving themselves and that's what's going to go away as car ownership is going to go away to car SPEAKER_43: rentals and on 8 8 august 8th they're launching and they're going to show a car without steering wheel pedals from tesla which then means they fire up the production line and we've seen the production line and and how you know difficult that is elon talks about it all the time cyber truck took a long time i think they're up to a thousand cyber trucks a week um i remember when model three hit five thousand a week like this is really hard he always says like designing a car is easy producing it is hard producing so who knows how long it takes to get the robo taxi up let's say he starts having that come off the line next year that would be like a record but let's say he's motivated and i wouldn't underestimate he gets there in 2026 he start they start coming off the line 26 okay a thousand a week five thousand a week ten thousand a week it's a dreadnought with his factory so ten thousand a week would be half a million a year okay half a million a year a million a year two million a year you know he's gonna get he'll get there but it'll be one he'll get one percent of rides a year every year which is 10 billion rides what's your take sonny am i wrong so are the tesla bulls wrong what's reality here because waymo yeah is in two city three cities right la san francisco SPEAKER_151: arizona i believe yeah there's a lot of other people in this space what do you think is going to SPEAKER_25: happen here handicap it for us i think there's like the following major considerations that like just can't like maybe like overlooked i think we kind of need to break it up we are very far away SPEAKER_00: from your driveway to your final destination in any service the amount of corner cases that exist from every single person's driveway to every single business is very very hard okay and and why are SPEAKER_125: you saying your driveway what i mean why is that important you're saying your driveway well you're not saying without without sharing information you know i've been to your place right yeah and your SPEAKER_00: driveway is hard for a human sure it's a long winding driveway it kind of goes downhill a bit so in order for it to get you know you got to get past the gate right and so in order for it to come down to you know your front door and then take you out like it's it's it's gonna actually is gonna be challenging SPEAKER_50: but let's assume people are in apartments in cities and they're just going down to the street so okay SPEAKER_00: what i'm talking about is i think we're further away from the convenable convenience of like what a human can do there now where i think we're gonna and i'm going to give the other side of it where we're very close to is what they have in vegas now have you tried the tunnels in vegas i haven't been to SPEAKER_62: that yet is is it self-driving or is there a person yes it's self-driving in the tunnels right and so SPEAKER_47: basically there's no co-pilot there or host i thought they had a host in the car no no no there's a host but i'm saying it's but they put it in autopilot mode they put it in supervised so there's a safety SPEAKER_00: driver yeah but what you can see is that's a replacement for that vegas monorail that they're SPEAKER_10: very close to so i'm just kind of giving you the the bookends here okay the hardest thing getting to SPEAKER_94: driveways in the suburbs and i would assume you put snow sleet fog into that category as well all those edge cases that's the most difficult and the easiest is you've got a tunnel with no pedestrians guaranteed SPEAKER_41: straight shot yeah boom easy you have a big area where you get in it drives you through some dedicated lanes it comes out it drops you off so that's 100 done and the other one is not even close SPEAKER_00: and you're not even close yes and so where i think we land is bits and pieces uh now so i think the bookends we agree on in the middle now let me break that down for you i do think what we're going to have sooner than later is you see this off the 280 you know like those car share parking lots yeah so i SPEAKER_04: think what we're going to have is car share to car share next ah very interesting yeah so i go to the SPEAKER_94: 280 i park in one of those parking lots for people who don't know there's a car share lot on the 280 which David Friedberg: is the giant freeway every time you get off there's just parking lots you park at that parking lot so that you could meet somebody and and you can leave your car there for free it's a giant parking lot SPEAKER_19: yeah okay so i drive there i get out there's an uh a tesla or an uber or a waymo waiting for me i get David Friedberg: in it drives me to los angeles it drives me to stanford or whatever or drives me to the next one i get SPEAKER_05: off there and then i do what it takes you to kind of well-known spots like that so it won't take you SPEAKER_04: like right to your final destination but like some pre-programmed some pre-programmed area on the David Friedberg: stanford campus it can get to yeah this specific place so it's going to take me to university yes and this block boom it's going to take me to the stanford campus that's a very interesting idea SPEAKER_05: um and that would be doable today no problem right yeah and that's what i'm trying to say that's kind SPEAKER_62: of closer to the tunnel right where if you're willing to drive from your house to the 280 and do that yeah it can take you to the chase center and the chase center or the sfo or take your pick and so SPEAKER_02: i'm confident that we're that's achieved as well okay you believe that's achieved no brainer exactly SPEAKER_00: so i think that's achieved and so what we're going to see is like sort of this progression of folks i think we're going to see progressing from like those those examples to then fixed within the city as well SPEAKER_120: where it's it's like hey you know i'll get you you know close enough to your destination the cities have already started making changes like you know if you notice in sf like market streets close to regular traffic but like taxis can drive on it so only that yeah you can't pick up or drop off unless you're a David Friedberg: bus so you have to get off of market to do your drop off a pickup yes and then just go around the corner or whatever so they're trying to keep the flow going which they did exactly as san francisco SPEAKER_50: cleared out so now market street's doubly empty it went from being a chaos to being empty okay great SPEAKER_199: hey everyone quick shout out to our friends at wistia wistia is the ultimate tool every marketer SPEAKER_148: needs to supercharge the video strategy it's a powerhouse for generating leads i want to tell you about one really specific feature that wistia has when you're playing a video let's say it's a tutorial video and it's teaching people how to use your sas product or even your consumer product well a pop-up can appear in the video that says for more information or to book a meeting put your email in right now this is transformative you can't do this with 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video try wistia for free by heading over to wistia SPEAKER_200: dot com slash startups w-i-s-t-i-a dot com slash startups give me your prediction as to because people David Friedberg: think i'm talking about my book oh my god uber you know i got some big stake in it or whatever you know i do have a stake in it but i mean i'm not really talking my book i'm trying to i'm trying to call balls and strikes here so call balls and strikes for me let's talk about the ride sharing companies uber has to deal with waymo to put them in there yeah let's take let's move out from just tesla for example because there is a big debate actually i want to go two ways one lidar versus not lidar tesla versus waymo and then i want to go to the networks like uber's network adding waymo adding cruise or SPEAKER_60: those people competing so which one do you want to start with let's start with lighter version okay so explain to people what this debate is and if people have won it because elon said years ago humans are capable of driving cars in all kinds of conditions therefore cameras which can see further and can see 360 should be able to do the same job um and then waymo said hey lidar is necessary SPEAKER_43: because you want to build this huge model and there's all these edge cases you know a plastic bag floats across or famously the white truck that went across the highway tragically and the person was watching harry potter and wasn't you know might be shame on that person and and you know i don't want to speak ill of the dead but really can't be watching a movie with uh you know i tell you to stay SPEAKER_41: vigilant so so take us through the lidar yeah what i would say is you can achieve you know full autonomy SPEAKER_02: without lidar but what i will say so you're in the elon camp it is possible but what i will say is SPEAKER_00: just like planes you can get into you know one of our friends original planes which can fly you you know from la to you know sf yep but the newer plane has like collision avoidance systems and all kinds of other stuff and so look both things can accomplish the same task one just has a lot more safety features and what i will say is it's not that they can't complete the same task but the one with the collision avoidance system and all kinds of advanced avionics that don't exist in the two-seater plane yeah um is the one i would want to be in is the one you want to be right so if we're talking about David Friedberg: safety you feel lidar will be some magnitude safer yes because it's it's tell us 10x 2x what do you SPEAKER_00: think if you have to guess i'd say when we look at the final data it will probably be yeah somewhere SPEAKER_04: between two and ten x better like not not like significantly better significantly better yeah now that SPEAKER_217: won't matter if there's no fatalities so do you think people will die in a self-driving car in the SPEAKER_43: next year a waymo a cruz a tesla whatever in a robo taxi we haven't had a robo taxi death we had the tragic uber one where the woman was playing candy crush she got in big trouble and the safety driver wasn't paying attention you know that was just human error so we take that one out taking aside human error will we see a robo taxi death whoever's robo taxi it is not picking any company in the next SPEAKER_60: couple of years as these things are deployed or do you think it's largely you know and it was the fault David Friedberg: of the robo taxi not somebody t-bones it not yeah you know a deer jumps across the 280 tragically this SPEAKER_60: does happen and a deer smashes into the windshield and kill somebody putting those kind of things the do you think there'll be a fault of robo taxi death in the first five years of this being SPEAKER_120: deployed in the united states here's what i'll say i think we will not see a fatality in a lidar based SPEAKER_70: um system for um in the next two years okay so you don't think a ladder will have a death SPEAKER_57: i don't think so but you does that mean you're saying you think a non-lidar system would could have a death i think so yeah still wow okay unpack that why why why do you think that you know lidar the SPEAKER_04: systems that have lidar also have cameras and so for all those things that you can't see with your eyes SPEAKER_00: the lidar is like a like an additional set of sensors right it's it's uh it's like the plane that SPEAKER_04: has you know auto collision avoidance right god okay so yeah so yeah the question is are we 99.9 safe SPEAKER_133: in a non-lidar and 99.9999 five nines or whatever and we'll see you know one of the things i think SPEAKER_60: that we're going to realize is in constrained environments we will have interventions we will have the cars pulling over we will have them causing traffic we saw that with crews and waymo already but what we won't have is fatalities and the people who will die it will be the fault of the humans David Friedberg: and human failure i.e somebody jumping in front of one of these things or some biker you know trying to set a record going down some hill and the mission you know blowing through a red light or a stop sign because they're one on their bicycle hit some shrava record or some nonsense okay very SPEAKER_43: interesting now let's take the second one what do you think on a business basis is going to happen SPEAKER_60: here i said i think there's going to be 10 people who figure out self-driving um in different jurisdictions and different modalities all in the same time frame ish which i would say you know and let's call it the same 36 months and what that means is since we have a it's SPEAKER_43: going to take a while to roll these out even if you were the one who you know figured it out the 36 month and let's say tesla and waymo figure it out in the first you know six months in that period the rollout is so long that there's going to be an opportunity for of those 10 players you know let's say three or four of them to compete and then uber and lyft have the option of the vendors who just want to sell their vehicles into a network of buying those vehicles and there are many at scale folks you know whether it's volvo or toyota you know more about this than i do who will have these available and they don't want to run their own network they want to sell into the David Friedberg: existing networks is my thesis of that balls and strikes and accurate because what i'm trying to do is SPEAKER_57: be just completely intellectually honest here as an uber shareholder and a and a friend of elon's and SPEAKER_04: tesla and a fan of tesla through the ford experience okay is that the most likely winner here is the one that has like the closest to the uber model and what that really what what does that particularly mean is that the massive capital expense is taken on by the owner of the vehicles okay explain that if you're trying to build a network from scratch and you're trying to own all the vehicles right those numbers become very big very quickly you're spending billions and billions of dollars on the vehicles owning those vehicles maintaining those vehicles and doing all of that the beauty of like sort of the uber model is you can put rules on it for maintenance and everything else but all that's taken care of by the by the by the owner of the vehicle and so if i were to bet given everything that SPEAKER_00: i saw the last few years it would be the uber model where people bring their asset into that is the SPEAKER_60: one that's going to win which is what elon said with robo taxi when exactly it was how many years SPEAKER_170: ago was that is before covet he did a preview of this yeah i kind of was that six years ago or seven SPEAKER_04: years ago can i share something we learned like during the the you know some of those days you know in ford which was many people that drive in the ride hailing are not permanent drivers and there's a lot of really interesting incentives and i just want to kind of commend uber for doing this but you can go and get a car through a car rental agency like hertz and a bunch of other places which will allow you to drive and you really only have to do like like 20 rides a week and basically SPEAKER_19: the rest of the time you can use the car yourself wow oh that's very interesting so i wasn't aware of that i do hear these kind of stories so i'm let's say lower middle class you know i'm a blue-collar student student i do 20 rides a week i make 10 15 bucks a ride i get you know whatever that is 800 SPEAKER_113: bucks a month thousand bucks a month i don't know how much you're making on the average ride but the SPEAKER_249: average is 37 dollars yeah you got to pay her it's like 200 bucks you got to cover your gas and other SPEAKER_125: things you pay okay so you're at 300 400 whatever you're in the black very quick yeah from some SPEAKER_50: number of rides right if it's 35 37 an hour let's say 35 an hour let's say 30 without the gas 30 an hour and if it costs you i don't know 400 for the thing gotta work 10 hours a month to have a car for SPEAKER_60: the rest of the time i never thought about it that way yeah you know there's there's another analogy David Friedberg: is people use this service get around and some other ones and they rent their car out yes three days a month for three or four hundred dollars to folks with peer-to-peer so you've rented out four days a month for a hundred dollars a day that's four hundred dollars and if your car payment was four hundred dollars or you your maintenance and insurance everything was 400 bucks a month whatever it is i'm talking about you have like a used toyota or something you're in the black it's pretty great SPEAKER_04: yeah so that's where i think like what gets underestimated so that's where i kind of like the uber model where they have the network and then people will bring their car to that network SPEAKER_00: and put it in the network and it doesn't have you know 10 hours a day and all that it could do 20 or 30 rides for you a month and it covers your bill and then the rest of the time you can use the car SPEAKER_50: for whatever you want to do with it yeah so this leans me to believe that tesla is going to have a significant advantage over everybody because they have whatever number of millions of cars on the road David Friedberg: adding to it millions of cars a year yes but 10 of those decide to put in the network which seems like a pretty good number to start yeah 10 of a couple million cars three four five hundred thousand cars very significant put them into the network they start doing you know five rides a day we SPEAKER_00: started our conversation as the capabilities increase where we go you know from the the fixed route to you know carpool to carpool to you know you know full on over the next couple years you can decide David Friedberg: how you want how you want it used now talk about the other players waymo has decided they want to put their vehicles into the uber network you'd be able to pick just like uber does yellow cabs the the livery tab tabs in you in the uk waymo if they split the revenue from the waymos and they have SPEAKER_60: the other ones they just have the largest network and the shortest waste time wait times right so that that protects them in your mind as a network business or do they need to own one of these companies or merge does ford and so we look at uber as a company right worth yeah well over 100 billion David Friedberg: do they need to merge with and they own 25 of aurora or whatever do they need to bring that back into the SPEAKER_60: company do they need to own cars in their network do they need to do a deal with waymo maybe waymo SPEAKER_271: merges into uber becomes one thing i honestly think what would you do on a strategic basis i think the SPEAKER_10: automotive oems are out of the self-driving business you think they're out of it yeah other than tesla SPEAKER_43: who do you think the top three players will be if you were to we're sitting here five ten years from SPEAKER_260: now who's gonna be the top three four players i would say it will be tesla waymo and someone who SPEAKER_73: has licensed technology from either tesla or waymo there'll be three did you see the did you see the SPEAKER_244: open source one in china they're open sourcing it i think bill garley shared it on our group chat yeah SPEAKER_60: yeah the open source one so we sit here we talk about open source yeah we don't talk we won't shut up about open source if you think open source wins the day here and and everybody can use that software on a range of cards i disagree with the open source one because this thing requires like continuous SPEAKER_280: improvement and resources and this is like where open source is just not enough right where got it i SPEAKER_57: think so it could be an open source program where somebody makes the commercial version of it the wordpress.com to the wordpress.org like we talked about yeah but i think like elon said this really SPEAKER_00: well he was like if you're not spending 10 billion a year on the resources for ai or the open source is SPEAKER_73: just you know software at that point right so yeah it makes sense that's why my bet would be tesla and SPEAKER_130: waymo in it directly and then the third player will be someone who licenses their technology SPEAKER_05: and where you think that leaves the ubers and lyfts of the world over the next five ten years i think cars end up in their network yeah that's what i think and you see people have looked at this David Friedberg: as like tesla waymo versus uber and lyft and the way i look at it is that group of people versus owning a car or taking your own car and they're so the overwhelming majority of rides 99 of the rides in the world are done by the owner of the car driving themselves and then there's a whole much of other rides i'm not counting that are people taking public transit right yep those two pools are so giant SPEAKER_60: that they're just going to every year one percent of those rides 10 billion rides will just flow into David Friedberg: these other options so those will keep growing so people are looking at it like i think people have SPEAKER_94: the wrong um they're setting up the wrong rivals it's not uber lyft waymo tesla versus each other and David Friedberg: they're all fighting it out it's that group every year taking 10 billion rides from people driving themselves and then what percentage of those rides they get that is material so it's kind of like and SPEAKER_101: then yeah what people discount there's also more and more people on the planet every year slash there SPEAKER_04: is you know more more people more economic activity more rights to be done right so it's just like it's like a it's like a growing market anyways and so it's also going to induce more so you know if you SPEAKER_60: yeah you know there are people who don't own cars they take public transit they make decisions on where to go to eat or movies or whatever and i'm talking on a global basis here so i'm you know i'm not being classes here i'm just talking about just objective reality so you know you you go to another country there might be a group of people who only eat in their local village or city or town SPEAKER_43: they don't have the option to go to the town two towns over and have somebody drive them there for 20 minutes and eat the restaurant over there or go shopping over there now if they can take you know a SPEAKER_274: robo taxi for a small amount of money they say oh you know what i want to try some restaurants over there i want to spend the day over there i want to do a day trip you know there or i want to walk SPEAKER_130: over there a non a north american like you know we would meet all these people that were taking lifts SPEAKER_294: to work every day right because you know they had a job across town right and it you know saved them SPEAKER_98: time and point to point was quicker than public transit yeah exactly all right wow that's a great SPEAKER_296: discussion okay let's do a demo or two here we're at 40 minutes just on news and i think that we had SPEAKER_113: to do it though and so i hope there's a great opera you know okay for everybody all right i'm gonna i'm SPEAKER_47: gonna do two or three demos really quick i think court had a product he wanted to show too oh he did SPEAKER_57: okay yeah i was talking to court about something i saw court you want to jump in here hey guys how you doing hey everybody see producer court he's in his uh he's in his bunker wow are you a prepper court nobody's ever seen producer court here everybody knew producer nick but here's producer SPEAKER_301: court yeah say hi producer hey how's it going everybody are you in a bunker you're in your bunker i'm in a basement are you a prepper what's a prepper like you have like 100 days of food and SPEAKER_57: you're waiting for like the end of the world like fallout or something i don't even have one day of food SPEAKER_304: okay great perfect you're on the opposite end of the spectrum as a proper okay good okay you're a SPEAKER_305: risker so what was this thing we were talking about we had talked about uh like to back uh SPEAKER_307: ai death calculator that's been getting some buzz you heard about this you heard about this no no no SPEAKER_274: here we go look at this producer court showing up with a demo so this is the life to back dot io SPEAKER_307: which i saw some news articles saying be careful using this hey they were saying it's strangely SPEAKER_309: accurate and they even say something ridiculous like 78 accurate but i don't know how you would come up with that statistic without a lot of years of testing and this is what they do they ask you to fill out stuff like your age you're 47 court i am 47 oh wow you got such a young energy i had no idea SPEAKER_43: you know you're not allowed to ask uh when you hire people send deep people their age so i don't know SPEAKER_313: yeah it turns out it's 47 i didn't realize that maybe maybe if you had known i wouldn't have snuck in SPEAKER_60: so no you know what i gotta tell you i i i just judge people on um their attitude and their aptitude and their execution you know i don't really care about itch so 47 now you don't smoke you don't SPEAKER_151: exercise regularly no major health conditions uh so yeah any major health concerns no uh diet i put SPEAKER_309: unhealthy because i i'm stressed and i work too much uh alcohol consumption no i don't do that stress level high hours of sleep six positive uh family history positive impact i put neutral access to healthcare i'm here in canada so it's adequate socioeconomic status i stuck middle so i mean there are a lot of statistics that you could try different things if you didn't know how to put yourself in so where are we education level fine occupational hazards okay whatever and then recreational activity so let's press calculate i'm gonna live let's see 56.5 years what yeah all right so you got SPEAKER_123: you're saying you got nine years left i think that has to do with your occupational hazards i would say SPEAKER_309: it's zero oh yeah you're right environmental factor impact would be i guess very positive too i got two great kids shout out to the kids uh let's calculate that and see if i live a little while SPEAKER_320: not not really i don't know what's going on here what how so this thing has no credibility or it's SPEAKER_321: completely accurate and i gotta start prioritizing some of my things for the next eight years yeah SPEAKER_60: maybe you gotta get your affairs in order and so this is using ai to do your life expectancy it makes no sense it has no credibility okay death calculator i give it an f and this thing is stupid and it's uh SPEAKER_325: uh i'm gonna give it a ridiculous f yes you give it an f okay so there's your first court what do you SPEAKER_57: give it sandeep anything i don't even want to i don't even want to raise it it's too dark all right SPEAKER_145: thanks producer all right good job producer court i like the contribution okay well done dismissed by the SPEAKER_329: way i gave it to him i told him check this thing out i'm gonna find out okay okay i just want to give SPEAKER_330: some shine to producer court who's doing an exceptional job since producer i'll give him one of our demos David Friedberg: uh jake well i would think it would be interesting if to be honest if it took your watch your weight SPEAKER_60: your how much screen time you're doing all the factors and then also had you talk to it and you know answer questions and then it might actually just from a video of you be able to tell from your eyes SPEAKER_333: your blood your body type and you put in your renovo ai is going to be able to tell you your life SPEAKER_302: expectancy oh yeah for sure very sure because doctors do this already if you had your oxygen you know yeah and everything your stress level was actually from your heart rate and your sleep SPEAKER_50: monitor was from your sleep monitor so i do think the death calculator as dark as that is is a really viable real product i wonder if there's a startup working on it i think a startup SPEAKER_57: that did live longer.ai would that be a killer startup to try to look at all your data and give SPEAKER_68: you suggestions in real time about how to live longer i think we know the answer jake how eat SPEAKER_337: better work out you know go see your doctor yeah i mean but you know i think the thing is i don't SPEAKER_68: think you need an ai to tell you how to be healthier but it would be i mean it might find some edge cases SPEAKER_340: like hey you know you're under too much stress you're not sleeping you're not drinking enough water or David Friedberg: your heart rate's a little weird i don't know maybe it finds some edge cases i mean the apple watch SPEAKER_47: does that stuff for sure i you know it's starting to give you some alerts right like it tells people SPEAKER_04: to have like you know your heart rate if you're like doing like uh you know sometimes we're playing poker and i'm like oh man like i could see it like shoot up for me and then you can give me that shot SPEAKER_133: that's how i know to go all in that's when i know you're blessing no no you you you always go SPEAKER_02: like oh sunny go all in here i like i you know that's usually my advice to sunny i'm like i just go all in okay give me a demo here come on okay let's we're gonna do we're gonna do a couple there's SPEAKER_62: some awesome ones here okay so this is by the founder of signal so it's funny so my feeling SPEAKER_00: is and uh i already did one before and we can do one live so let me show you it's called vibe check dot market and what it does is you know so this is just kind of building on you know last week we had the vertical search engine you know we've been working on this obviously you know building on our mahalo experiences and so on this particular one and you know i did like a special machine and so i'll do one live with you here it's been overloaded so give me uh the best what what do you SPEAKER_70: want the best of jay cow the best headphones because okay yeah you know these are my focal SPEAKER_151: bathys um shout out to my friends at headphones.com it's not a sponsorship but they sent me a pair SPEAKER_43: of these because um the founders okay are a big fan of mine and i had they heard me say like oh you SPEAKER_19: know com.com get a great domain name yeah you know a decade ago they followed that playbook of inside.com com.com etc and uh they got headphones.com and um then they had all this credibility and then people started buying the headphones there and there's this company focal that makes these bates uh b-a-t-h-y-s and these have a dac built into them um and the uh digital audio conversion and they're 800 bucks so they're not cheap and i've had all the different versions so these are like a David Friedberg: step up but they have a built-in dac a digital audio converter and you plug it in through a usb and then i listen to flack files now where this q buzz which is a high res streaming service as opposed to apple music this one has all flax and um man and and the speakers are really high quality SPEAKER_60: and they and they angle towards your your eardrums and yeah q co-buzz q-o-b-u-z is the is the app SPEAKER_238: i'm using with the with the flax okay so anyway servers are overloaded on this one i'll try it in SPEAKER_355: the background it's using all of the it's using all the subreddits to do this yes exactly do they SPEAKER_356: have permission because remember steve a friend of the pod was like you gotta have permission what's what's the vibes here are they they have an api access well they have something so look it's saying SPEAKER_02: server overloaded so we can't do your headphones i'll try it one more time you have one for the SPEAKER_62: espresso machine it was really good and and what's cool is it it asks a few questions as well once it analyzes like you know in this in the headphones it would have been over the year and so it does it SPEAKER_00: and basically it gets you a top pick out of it you know your alternative and your budget pick SPEAKER_05: so it's like a wire cutter yeah but it's like i love it you know ai wire cutter yeah and so the David Friedberg: question is should it be allowed to use wire cutter and this is the perfect example not to constantly go back to rights and clearing rights what this says to me is this demonstrates why what chat gpt 4 and open i did and stealing all that content from the new york times is so so unethical okay and because you can see here we all want this product yes we want this product more than we want wire SPEAKER_94: cutter wire cutter has the opportunity to create the derivative products from their ip yes this has proven SPEAKER_274: my exact point and the new york times is going to get i predict an injunction against chat gpt4 your SPEAKER_00: point is that because people are not licensing the data this is what's this chaos is occurring that David Friedberg: they have stolen the opportunity to create this product from their ip the way ip law works is but this is coming from reddit right and reddit it's their opportunity since that's their content it's their data they own the data now you might say oh the people who posted it on it no the people who post it gave a license for all time to reddit therefore reddit and they did that in exchange for reddit being free and providing the community and all that stuff so reddit or quora own the rights to build these type of products the new york times wire cutter under they have the rights to this opportunity uh pricing here SPEAKER_60: what's your budget yeah 500 i should go 2000 plus right that's fine okay you need noise cancelling or no SPEAKER_130: sure open back close back no preference no preference and so hopefully this completes this and it's like SPEAKER_43: highlighting all the subreddits he's getting the answer from yeah um okay and okay so by the way that's sony um i have those those are fantastic they're like 300 bucks so sennheiser's that's another great brand yeah that's correct those barodynamics are also incredible uh and people do love those so those are all fantastic and they're all dialed in perfectly that was a perfect answer uh based David Friedberg: on my extreme knowledge of this 500 to a thousand do it again and then uh pick over 2000 i just want SPEAKER_296: to see if it picks the focals this is like instant wire cutter i love it it's like you know i don't have to and well and here's the thing and this is where the stealing and the ip gets even more complicated we SPEAKER_19: don't know maybe maybe these guys went and cut a deal with with i'm not talking about that i'm David Friedberg: saying on these subreddits because it's user generated content you can be sure that people said wire cutter picked this as the budget pick wire cutter picked this as this and they cut and paste SPEAKER_378: and they put all that data there i see and they put you know the new york times says this oh and consumer report says this so you know where does that land if someone says that on reddit SPEAKER_68: where do you put that now in terms of content whose rights is that yeah so if i go to reddit and i go David Friedberg: oh i read on wire cutter that the sony whatever if the person is cutting and pasting it then that person has committed copyright violation and um it's it belongs to the new york times if that person wrote their own thing and says i disagree with this as the budget pick but wire cutter pick at the budget pick consumer reports pick this as their budget pick pc magazine tom's hardware pick this and SPEAKER_43: gadget pick this vox pick that verge pick this and they do their own that's okay that's okay because David Friedberg: they're making a new product which is like they're going meta and comparing all these things to each other and now somebody will say like oh well that's what the ai is doing but the ai is an automated commercial thing non-commercial an individual doing a non-commercial message on a message board is not uh interfering um with the commerce and the revenue opportunity and they're not doing it at SPEAKER_43: scale for every single category this is doing every single category so the scale that also is part of the difference here um okay i give this an a uh perhaps i'm not going to give it an a plus because i haven't used it enough but out of the gate it's an a because this from the one example you gave it nailed it if we were to take that and compare it to wire cutter tom's hardware pc mags verge and gadget the best one whatever it would be probably very accurate and i think that's what's happening here David Friedberg: also they could be indexing the links that are on the reddit page so if i was building this i would say hey you know if they link from you know headphones slash headphones which i'm part of that subreddit uh now if that linked actually to i don't know the gadget or the tom's hardware reviews i would then go ingest that to make it work and make a better product so they're probably doing that as well um so anyway excellent job it's a okay i do want to know if they have the rights from reddit to do SPEAKER_323: this uh steve huffman can answer that question because they have a licensing business and this SPEAKER_395: is what you should do get in touch and you know what's the market cap of reddit right now i gotta SPEAKER_323: maybe have to put a j trade in here because i think this will be built into reddit soon and i David Friedberg: think this could be like the beginning of a great j trade the it should be worth five times revenue SPEAKER_05: reddit market cap right now 7.5 billion that's that's a lot really yeah on 800 million in revenue SPEAKER_375: in 2023 i believe i don't know what they did in q1 or whatever but let's say they did 250 in q1 and David Friedberg: they're at a billion that's seven and a half times revenue it should really be four times revenue so that's a bit of a challenge yeah it's overvalued right now it should be worth four billion five billion but maybe people are making the j trade and they're j trading.com based upon the thesis i'm putting out here which is if this is what you did on reddit you ask the questions like this reddit would become supremely valuable like if i asked it what movie should i watch tonight man that SPEAKER_19: could be really powerful so shout out to the reddit team all right what do you give it you got to give SPEAKER_68: it a letter grade i'm a i give this an a like i'm a really really big fan of wire cutter i i think i SPEAKER_04: probably ended up using it like weekly if not more often and so having your own custom one was really SPEAKER_00: awesome and and like i like the way they did it so you know it went and looked at all those subreddits because like that's usually this like crazy algorithm you do when you're looking for the best SPEAKER_02: thing and just saving all that time uh let's do one more demo here so this one was totally it's SPEAKER_00: awesome basically give slide decks pds whatever i did this beforehand uh just for speed here i shared this uh glossary of american medical terms to it which you can see here this is like a you know several really really long document here i shared this and what it does is it takes that and basically turns it into flash cards for studying and so basically it creates this from that pdf which is right up here what is the medical term for this i mean i don't know what it is right and so it's going to be like no that's wrong and it just basically goes through and you say next and basically you know so it takes any piece of content you give it and creates a kind of flash card learning system from SPEAKER_323: it for you yeah i think we had a startup in our um accelerator it's going to come to me in a second David Friedberg: that does this okay they do a really nice version of this and they are making some decent money they've been building in public and they make study guides based on your notes from your classes and information like this um because there's like a whole long tail of things you could do in education around this concept like you could if you were the teacher you could make a test that's unique for each student if you're a student you could do the test and then whatever you didn't get right it could do adaptive learning and figure out why you're not getting it right etc etc etc and so yeah so this is the ai SPEAKER_296: disruption of that yes and so this is apps well no the one i we did is doing it in ai but they do the David Friedberg: long tail of all the things and so this is definitely a real space i think it's fantastic i give this SPEAKER_296: like a b because they're doing but one thing but there are well i like how they do it across videos SPEAKER_00: and other things right which is i think pretty cool as well um so i i i kind of give it an a i i thought it was like very very flexible in its input which i thought was super powerful and basically SPEAKER_415: take data make flash cards learn faster yes and it's like flash cards with you in a in an interface SPEAKER_02: yeah so that's like that's right i was showing it right here like these were it right and so yeah fantastic just kind of go through it hey which does this i don't know i'm just guessing these David Friedberg: things right is it right i mean i think that this is fantastic it's going to help people learn faster yeah and then just being able to say to people teach me how to do teach me to be better at my job teach me about language teach me about the states you know we used to have these kind of things like if you wanted to learn all 50 states this is a great way to learn it right you there's always these people i remember i was super impressed by it who could repeat all the states like um sarah silverman can alphabetically just do every single um state boom super fast yeah awesome okay one last one jacal SPEAKER_00: i want to give this company both of them actually are using grog but these guys just integrated grog this is a tool that we talked about before you know talk about globe engineer and it's like hey i want to do a trip to new york and you can see it's starting to build right this is this um we saw SPEAKER_340: this one last time i think i gave it a b it's a really cool exactly so what they've done you know SPEAKER_00: you see is doing its work but i want to show you here they've gone and integrated this is globe engineer exactly so what i want to show you this one's still running back here trying to build out this itinerary for for for new york but in parallel i selected grog over here and i say i want to go to london and what you're going to see is see how fast it just basically goes and does the same thing and so this is kind of just building on like sort of what we've been talking about is building really quick user experiences and having it come back quickly makes it more iterative for you so i wanted to give these guys a shout out because they integrated grok into it and i've been using it all the time this is actually a product i've been using myself because it does that that really wide search now what i'll say is let's try your headphone thing in here so what was your you'd say SPEAKER_426: uh you said high fidelity headphones okay my fidelity headphones all right and which are for shorter SPEAKER_398: hi-fi yeah but let's see what it does here over the ear okay yeah so this is just another way to get David Friedberg: the same data in a really great way and yeah it's it's it's getting some of the great brands SPEAKER_430: um but it didn't get the best brand so that's interesting and what was the best brand it's SPEAKER_60: this focal so just say um most expensive next or most expensive high five i should have i should have SPEAKER_68: done high fidelity let me do this again because you can refine it hi that's that's what i just did David Friedberg: because i'm doing you know uh taking kids to japan in the summer yeah and it really is like most SPEAKER_435: expensive so here we go okay boom so sennheiser barodynamic snowball i mean it's it's getting a SPEAKER_43: lot of them so it just didn't get the ones that i think are the best but you know it's using the open web to do this type in focal next see if it finds focal yeah i found them here yeah yeah okay SPEAKER_98: great amazing yeah and then say sort by price yeah under 500 between a thousand and two thousand over five thousand wow yeah look at that so look at that the over five thousand i have the bathys David Friedberg: which are the 800 that do bluetooth and let you plug them into your usbc and get you um this um you know digital audio conversion built into the headset then these other ones have these thick cables SPEAKER_50: that plug into a back like the really like each ear plugs into the deck and has this like super high fidelity experience and those cost five thousand um and they're just extraordinary um the top of the SPEAKER_430: line vocals yeah they're pretty amazing yeah yeah all right this is great this like changes the SPEAKER_441: research experience it's really really awesome i really think it's like it's just great like David Friedberg: brainstorming this was called mind mapping back in the day and you would do it manually there was a company called thebrain.com and there was a guy jerry colonna so if you type in jerry's brain yeah he's uh was a very famous analyst and um he worked for ester dyson jerry mcowski and um fabulous editor of technology you know you might not know him in this generation but over time he kept um so like launched the brain here so he's been keeping notes on technology for over 20 years and so this is like a living representation of all of his notes and like you can see you just click on stuff of uh you know any topic and uh good starting points might be a good place to start so click on good starting points and what you see is this software you hit good starting points and um laws there's the big questions i love the idea of big questions you hit big questions uh boom and now here's all the big questions uh click on two beavers know how to build dams yeah how do beavers know to build dams what does the universe store this knowledge like really interesting like that he SPEAKER_50: did this but what this is doing is ai is doing it automatically this isn't following one human excuse my voice everybody i was at the nix philadelphia 76ers game in philly yesterday yeah SPEAKER_327: let's try this go here and oh look at that and the service we invested in monic ai m-o-n-i-c dot ai m-o-n-i-c okay it's the one we we did oh here we go yeah study guy that looks awesome yeah and there's SPEAKER_285: a hundred thousand students using it right now so they're just it's a lot more sophisticated than one we showed today but the one we showed today is great so i don't know i give globe engineer SPEAKER_350: still like a b plus i think the interface is a good start the data looks relatively good i think SPEAKER_19: it's still pretty raw so i'm gonna just give it a solid b action i'm gonna give it a b plus here SPEAKER_157: i'm gonna give them a little bit of a bonus points for integrating crocs so they're gonna they're SPEAKER_458: gonna get it they're gonna get a minus oh okay great i love it fantastic yeah sounds good all right SPEAKER_19: everybody thanks for tuning in you can follow sandeep x.com sandeep i'm x.com jason go ahead and mention us uh sandeep will be speaking at the liquidity summit that's the summit i do every year this is the sixth year we used to call it angel summit now we have a lot of lps from giant institutions and uh sandeep's going to be speaking liquidity summit is june 2nd to 5th go to liquidity pod.com summit tickets are about to sell out you can apply 125 lps gps the world's greatest speakers of course um it's just nuts who's going to be speaking this year david freeberg and chamath and sandeep are here uh ibrahim from ubadala gavin baker from atreides phil deutsch our bestie monique David Friedberg: woodard uh michael jones from science um they did dollar shave club they did liquid death uh sky dayton another bestie i was going to be talking about airline safety phil deutsch on energy sandeep on ai hedgemon on startups just all kinds of great people and we'll look forward to seeing you at liquidity summit it's not for founders i know a lot of founders want to come and try to raise money SPEAKER_18: which is a great idea but this is just for the lps and the gps and the capital allocators to get together and break bread i'm sorry but i really think it's great you're doing this i think it's SPEAKER_04: like a it's a very really good environment and then you know out of it will come opportunities for all these um yes startups and entrepreneurs you've been at it before you've come a couple times we have SPEAKER_60: poker at night on the second third and fourth so sunday night monday night tuesday night we have poker everybody hangs out late it's really about bonding and on tuesday afternoon people go do an event they can go wine tasting clay pigeon shooting all kinds of great stuff oh i have an idea for you SPEAKER_25: oh yeah please for you absolutely and maybe this is like a little bit of a balance maybe you guys can SPEAKER_04: put together like a little binder of interesting startups that obviously include stuff there but SPEAKER_57: that's a great idea yeah we're what we're doing is we're giving everybody a profile page so each lp and gp coming gets a profile page did they ask you about your profile page yet to fill it out they did David Friedberg: yeah yeah okay great and we're giving everybody a giant pdf with everybody attending ahead of time and then you know not this one but the next one we'll probably have a way we might do like a speed dating or we might give the venture firms like a little networking area where they have a table and then let the lps book meetings with them for 20 minutes and then 10 minutes to move from table to table and we just do a little speed dating everybody gets to meet each other in 15 minutes say what they're working on and change exchange notes and i think it's gonna be a lot of fun to do like a speed dating thing i'm into the speed dating concept right now because i want to meet more interesting people but i don't want to do one hour meeting so i'm trying to figure out how to do like a lightning SPEAKER_05: round speed dating hey here's what we do share some materials all these demos he's got you into these SPEAKER_274: like each demo is like 10 minutes long yeah you got me addicted well you know it's the tldr i'm giving a David Friedberg: new framework to my team i call it wtf wtf is it okay wtf why should i care wtf what now so you show me grok and console right okay what is it okay brock does inference at a fraction of the cost and at a massive speed difference okay why should i care oh well you're doing a startup called inside and you're trying to do this inference really fast and give people fast data this is why you should care okay what's next oh you should get one of your developers to go to console.grok.com brock with a q SPEAKER_296: giving the final plug go to grok dot the console console.grok.com yes see um next time any other SPEAKER_476: plugs sunday very good no that's it we're that's it for the plugs we'll see you next time bye bye SPEAKER_148: okay everybody i want to tell you about founder fridays what are founder fridays this is an opportunity for you if you're a founder to get together with a half dozen a dozen other founders on a friday the first friday of every month why is this important well if you 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