One of my realization of me getting older is the realization that there are no adults in the room anymore, or that I am now, an adult, who, also the same like other adults, we actually don't know shit about anything, none of us do.
I think LLM is a useful technology. But since the dawn of LLMs, I've been trying to imagine what the world will look like if we take LLM to its logical conclusion. It seems to me, despite of all its benefits, LLM is a sword too sharp for all of us to handle. Its not gonna be sunshines and rainbows.
A couple things I'm thinking about below, and these are all just societal impact, not even environmental ones:
- Young people lost their career ladders. Capitalism doesn't work anymore. We have permanent underclass. And maybe worldwide scale societal unrest, in which violence will be the norm.
- People stop creating music, stop writing blogs, stop doing experiments or any other cool stuffs and share it on the internet because LLM companies can just pirate the shit out of it without paying anything back.
- Mediocrity in everything. We have this Suno shit claiming that people don't like the process of creating music because its so tedious so lets just prompt it away. Berklee has a class to make AI music. Yup. People claim that its okay to consume mediocre stuffs, because we don't need the highest grade of codebase, of design, of music for our day to day life.
- People stop socializing and connecting to another human beings. For example, art is a way for people to connect to other's art. Software engineering is a lot of communication, discussing tradeoffs with other engineers. But now you can just prompt your way away, even things as simple as writing emails.
- All the values (measured by money) created in this world is sucked by the LLM owners/producers. Oh you have a beautiful music you just created? Too bad, its mine now. Oh, you just created an art? Its my art now, and I will charge society money to recreate this art that I just acquired. Oh, you have a land somewhere? I can just buy it, money is cheap for me, after all I suck all the values that society created. There are no other values worthy of monetary compensation other than LLM training/research. These "researchers" don't need to practice music, don't need to practice art, don't need to practice law, don't need to practice coding, they can just be an LLM researchers/producers/owners and they get all the values that the other professions created.
- All the above caused economic stagnation. People don't feel the need to pay other human beings, because everything is just a prompt away.
- All the above caused stagnation of progress, or even winding down of progress.
What else?
If truly this is the logical conclusion of LLM, then it seems to me that the mission of this generation is to destroy AI as Ronnie Chieng said is not really off the mark.
Maybe I am an LLM doomer, but help me out here HN, because I'm just a dumb adult."},"title":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"Ask HN: Are we as society going to let LLM companies take all the values?"}},"_tags":["story","author_randomdev123","story_48439240","ask_hn"],"author":"randomdev123","children":[48439296,48439619,48439689,48439701,48439707,48439781,48439790,48440088,48440202,48442142,48443739,48505736],"created_at":"2026-06-07T22:30:08Z","created_at_i":1780871408,"num_comments":17,"objectID":"48439240","points":31,"story_id":48439240,"story_text":"I am not that young, but I'm not that old. I used to be a child, and thought that the adults already figured things out and I can be at peace.
One of my realization of me getting older is the realization that there are no adults in the room anymore, or that I am now, an adult, who, also the same like other adults, we actually don't know shit about anything, none of us do.
I think LLM is a useful technology. But since the dawn of LLMs, I've been trying to imagine what the world will look like if we take LLM to its logical conclusion. It seems to me, despite of all its benefits, LLM is a sword too sharp for all of us to handle. Its not gonna be sunshines and rainbows.
A couple things I'm thinking about below, and these are all just societal impact, not even environmental ones:
- Young people lost their career ladders. Capitalism doesn't work anymore. We have permanent underclass. And maybe worldwide scale societal unrest, in which violence will be the norm.
- People stop creating music, stop writing blogs, stop doing experiments or any other cool stuffs and share it on the internet because LLM companies can just pirate the shit out of it without paying anything back.
- Mediocrity in everything. We have this Suno shit claiming that people don't like the process of creating music because its so tedious so lets just prompt it away. Berklee has a class to make AI music. Yup. People claim that its okay to consume mediocre stuffs, because we don't need the highest grade of codebase, of design, of music for our day to day life.
- People stop socializing and connecting to another human beings. For example, art is a way for people to connect to other's art. Software engineering is a lot of communication, discussing tradeoffs with other engineers. But now you can just prompt your way away, even things as simple as writing emails.
- All the values (measured by money) created in this world is sucked by the LLM owners/producers. Oh you have a beautiful music you just created? Too bad, its mine now. Oh, you just created an art? Its my art now, and I will charge society money to recreate this art that I just acquired. Oh, you have a land somewhere? I can just buy it, money is cheap for me, after all I suck all the values that society created. There are no other values worthy of monetary compensation other than LLM training/research. These "researchers" don't need to practice music, don't need to practice art, don't need to practice law, don't need to practice coding, they can just be an LLM researchers/producers/owners and they get all the values that the other professions created.
- All the above caused economic stagnation. People don't feel the need to pay other human beings, because everything is just a prompt away.
- All the above caused stagnation of progress, or even winding down of progress.
What else?
If truly this is the logical conclusion of LLM, then it seems to me that the mission of this generation is to destroy AI as Ronnie Chieng said is not really off the mark.
Maybe I am an LLM doomer, but help me out here HN, because I'm just a dumb adult.","title":"Ask HN: Are we as society going to let LLM companies take all the values?","updated_at":"2026-06-13T15:47:23Z"},{"_highlightResult":{"author":{"matchLevel":"none","matchedWords":[],"value":"tra3"},"story_text":{"fullyHighlighted":false,"matchLevel":"full","matchedWords":["destro","ai"],"value":"Hey folks. When I started running a small team, I thought late deliveries and slipped deadlines were my personal fault; a moral failure.
I fairly quickly realized that there's not much I can do, by looking at case studies, learning how to estimate etc etc.
During this time, I discovered civil projects like Boston's Big Dig [0]. Which was to be completed between between 1991 and 1998 and instead was delivered in 2007.
Subsequently, I also found "Pentagon Wars" [1] about the delivery of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Finally looking for more contemporary examples, I came up upon the Joint Strike Fighter program. The goal was to build a new generation fighter. Last I checked only 250 were flying 2018, a far cry from 2000 that were originally ordered.
I also found something that I thought was unique to software engineering. Reprioritizing/recategorizing bugs and issues to make the release look more palatable. Apparently in 2018 there was no way to confirm target data for smart bombs. Occasionally the tail hook on the carrier variant of F-35 would destroy the airframe [2]:
> F-35 officials are recategorizing\u2014rather than fixing\u2014major design flaws to be able to claim they have completed the program\u2019s development phase without having to pay overruns for badly needed fixes. Several of these flaws, like the lack of any means for a pilot to confirm a weapon\u2019s target data before firing, and damage to the plane caused by the tailhook on the Air Force\u2019s variant, have potentially serious implications for safety and combat effectiveness.
I stopped keeping track of this a few years back so I'd like to catch up:
- does anyone have a good overview of the latest F-35 status. I enjoy the tech but the project management aspect is more interesting.\n- does anyone know of similar (not necessarily military) projects with massive overruns in cost and time?
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I fairly quickly realized that there's not much I can do, by looking at case studies, learning how to estimate etc etc.
During this time, I discovered civil projects like Boston's Big Dig [0]. Which was to be completed between between 1991 and 1998 and instead was delivered in 2007.
Subsequently, I also found "Pentagon Wars" [1] about the delivery of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.
Finally looking for more contemporary examples, I came up upon the Joint Strike Fighter program. The goal was to build a new generation fighter. Last I checked only 250 were flying 2018, a far cry from 2000 that were originally ordered.
I also found something that I thought was unique to software engineering. Reprioritizing/recategorizing bugs and issues to make the release look more palatable. Apparently in 2018 there was no way to confirm target data for smart bombs. Occasionally the tail hook on the carrier variant of F-35 would destroy the airframe [2]:
> F-35 officials are recategorizing\u2014rather than fixing\u2014major design flaws to be able to claim they have completed the program\u2019s development phase without having to pay overruns for badly needed fixes. Several of these flaws, like the lack of any means for a pilot to confirm a weapon\u2019s target data before firing, and damage to the plane caused by the tailhook on the Air Force\u2019s variant, have potentially serious implications for safety and combat effectiveness.
I stopped keeping track of this a few years back so I'd like to catch up:
- does anyone have a good overview of the latest F-35 status. I enjoy the tech but the project management aspect is more interesting.\n- does anyone know of similar (not necessarily military) projects with massive overruns in cost and time?
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