now a look at the state of pennsylvania it's one of the most important states in this presidential race both the pennsylvania senators democrat john fetterman and republican dave mccormick voted in favor of the bill in this situation we both agree that shutting our government down is wrong for our commonwealth and for our nation so we're looking for ways to find common ground and when we disagree we we disagree but when we can agree we agree our votes are about country over party at this point well we're trying to set a good example because we have lots of disagreements but we trust each other we like one another and we look for ways to work together i thought the best way to kick this off was to actually give both of you a few moments to just say what's on your mind and so i think in the rules of parliamentary decorum senator fenner as a senior sitting senator from pennsylvania maybe you can start i'm proud to call senator mccormick a a good friend uh and now things are very more polarized and now i refuse to engage in the kinds of extremism and you know we're gonna fight together for pennsylvania and for our nation right now and we're going to continue to have conversations like this you know whether in pennsylvania or here across so um so we uh we have to find a better way forward through a lot of the circumstances yeah yeah i think um i mean one of the the the benefits of being in a place like pennsylvania is that uh the the voters expect us really to find ways to work together and if you put this moment in perspective i think it's probably the most consequential moment in all of our lifetimes and in fact i think it might be the most consequential moment in humankind which is which is a big statement so much change is happening it's artificial intelligence of course but it's it's really how that's affecting everything life sciences defense energy it's it's a moment of enormous change and that that change creates a lot of anxiety that lends itself to polarization and extremes and so if there was ever a time where it's more important to find ways to work together it's now and so we've found ways to work together on everything from uh energy policy to fentanyl the fentanyl crisis to anti-semitism uh in pennsylvania and across the country to drone technology and and these are issues that are of such consequence that uh you can't get there by just being with your team you have to be able to find common ground and uh we we've really looked for ways to do that yeah i i think he could confirm uh pennsylvania keeps you honest now and now i'd like to remind everybody that we are the only two people in our respective cycles that flipped seats you know that's really you know both parties want that they we we want to flip seats it's like well you know we we've done that because i think we've rejected the extreme kinds of views and now it's better to work together for for pennsylvania for our country for right now and ai is really really important and and it will sometimes will put me at odds where the direction that the democratic party seems to be moving in that now so now uh moratorium for data centers uh for me that's a china first kinds of policy for that i'm going to continue to push back that i'm not going to describe that as a scourge i'm going to describe that as an incredible new opportunity and now you know my friend he you organized an incredible symposium in western pennsylvania that brought ai together and energy and that's two parts of things pennsylvania really brings to that table in this very very important conversation i think that we're at this point now where is it fair to say as goes pennsylvania as goes the rest of the country in the sense that if if you can find common ground in the state on these very thorny issues maybe the rest of the country can find ground and the vice versa is also true if you guys can't find resolution what are the odds of california and west virginia making it up find resolution so what is it like a day in the life in the u.s senate trying to find these compromises because from our perspective outside in a lot of the time it just seems like nothing is happening dave yeah i think um if you step back you would we i know we look very similar but uh we we have uh we have many similar back you do yeah we have we have similar backgrounds uh in the sense we both grew up in rural pennsylvania and uh had similar you know similar childhoods and uh john went into public service i uh i left went to west point went to the military but we both came back from those those rural backgrounds but what's interesting in pennsylvania it's 19 electoral votes and that it's a microcosm of the country you have these two big urban centers philadelphia and pittsburgh which are mostly democrats you have these these rural areas that are mostly uh red mostly republican and you got to build a coalition across those to win so ironically a lot of the same people that voted for uh senator fetterman voted for me and um and and voted for president trump and and that's the coalition you have to build and in particular it is a working families coalition so the thing that's uh ironic is that even though all the uh all the national unions would have vote would have endorsed kamala harris and uh bob casey my opponent the rank and file two-thirds of the rank and file the electricians the pipe fitters the steam fitters voted for me same with him they voted for him so we actually even though we have a lot of differences in our parties we have come together around that coalition and that coalition includes a very significant latino turnout a very significant african-american turnout the highest african-american turnout in 2024 in the last 30 years and so uh that coalition i think is up for grabs who wins that coalition in pennsylvania and who wins it in the country i think will dictate the future to a large degree in 2028 and beyond and so that's what we're working on together because we're trying to build that coalition to do good things together in pennsylvania the uh senate is at an all-time low in terms of approval rating we have the lowest approval rating of a president in history after biden who was extremely low rated you guys can't control the debt the american populace believe we'd be in a golden age right now they're not seeing it inflation is soaring the president seems to be running amok has no check in the house and you guys are responsible tell us what you really think other than this other than that mrs lincoln well and 40 trillion dollars in debt and you're spending more than ever so the american people i think are extremely frustrated with both parties it's great to see you guys come together um but what are you going to do to bring back some balance between the branches of the government because this does not seem to be going in um the right direction for anybody but the people in this room which is to say the top 10 percent of our society well i mean for me if you you referenced inflation is soaring well just just recently that's primarily driven by energy prices right now now why are those energy prices high well because the president decided to hold iran accountable and now i'm the only democrat that actually agrees with that that was not that was not a radical idea for a democrats every single person running for president as a democrat said we must never allow iran to acquire a nuclear bomb and now we have the opportunity to hold them accountable why that's why i continue to vote and against these war powers act now too so for inflation yes now absolutely no one thinks five dollars a gallon is is great but if you allow iran to become nuclear you know that's going to seem quaint you know if five dollars a gallon holding it up to so what's driving this economic conversation overall right now so for me i think what's most important now uh turn everything as a pirate partisan thing and that's the danger where if we despise trump more than we are concerned about iran becoming a nuclear power that will have profound implications for not just in that region but also for a global stage for right now that's the difficulty moving forward now uh i've said this in the podcast uh you know for all in i you know who's the leader's party i'm like that's tds a hundred percent you know our party is defined by the opposition of whatever he comes out for i've said he trump comes out for ice cream and lazy sundays we're we're gonna hate that you know and we're gonna vote it down now we all have we all have a bandwidth and we all have a platform you know i feel like you have to discriminate i don't care about the ballroom if you want to build it sure great i was there for the the white house correspondent dinner and i saw how dangerous that was for for our leadership but i don't care about the reflecting pool but now we can't stop talking about all this other kind of so we can really focus on thing that's more important when now it's become all just distract distracted by the small small ball game is there a path to resolution i mean like you're you guys are going to be forced to confront the filibuster which is this critical bulwark that sort of leaves some sort of attempt at finding common ground out there but there's a lot of pressure to end it i think senator fenderman you said you'd be supportive of ending the filibuster is that where we're going to just total tribalism yeah let's talk about the filibuster let's talk about that the entire democratic party including myself we were so wrong about the filibuster in my cycle in 2020 every single democrat identified we have to we have to eliminate the filibuster seems like it makes sense now and thank god thank god we had people that stood uh there whether it's senator manchin or senator uh cinema you know history has vindicated their wisdom to do that thing and now democrats we all wanted to get rid of it in 22 and 2025 we love it and now it now it reforces people to work together with both sides now if you turn the senate into a smaller version of the house and majority majority now that would have profound profound implications for now so now someone that'd be the first person to announce hey i was so wrong about that uh that's one of the kinds of hill i would die on now to defend the filibuster how important it is to the senate but also set it for the minority rights whoever that happens to be in that time you know that's what's so critical what the filibuster is to governance here well i would say um first of all uh congress but lots of institutions right now have very low public approval very low trust that that's a huge problem it's across it's across all areas it's a church uh public officials business uh in many cases so we've got to rebuild trust in our institutions and one of the ways you do that is through your own personal conduct so one of the things we can do is try to set the example uh if you look at my voting and his voting i i am i'm an unapologetic conservative i vote as a conservative at the same time that doesn't mean you can't work together so we look for every opportunity for bipartisan legislation so i've got more bipartisan legislation than anybody we've collaborated on dozens of things together because you can do both and the filibuster i mean it is frustrating as a business person i've been in business for 25 years so frustrating the weight the pace of of how slowly things move but i do think it creates the requirement the impetus to get things done and i would disagree with you i think a lot of big things have been done i think if you look at the energy agenda we can't win the ai race without energy and uh we made huge progress on energy i'm hoping we're going to get permitting reform which would be the biggest economic lever we could possibly get done over the next six months or the next two and a half years um we've closed the border we've stopped the flow of fentanyl we had 4 000 people who died in pennsylvania in the last year the biden administration it's 1600 this year it's down 60 those same statistics nationally and then there's huge intractable problems like the debt and the deficit which are existential that we're not dealing with and that's not a product so much of the the filibuster not the filibuster that's a product of the polarization of our country and both sides taking advantage of anybody willing to to to look at a problem in a in a hard way my question was though about the bottom half of the company country in the k-shaped economy we're in and how it's not working and you guys are phenomenally unpopular with that group of americans so is there a way to me you're talking about concentration yeah wealth concentration the bottom half is not happy with no no it's a whole side no it's a huge no it's a huge problem and i don't i don't think i listened carefully last night i mean i just want to tell you uh that is a huge huge problem that's growing that median income in pennsylvania is 52 000 a year when you guys say ai or a anxiety i mean these these folks they've been down this road once before when a bunch of smart rich people said we got the answer it's called globalization and what happened in my hometown is there was a mill of 2 000 people that got gutted it's now 100 people so there's enormous anxiety but it's because there's no path to getting ahead and everybody in this room um the last 10 years has been the greatest 10 years in the history of humanity for those who have assets so do you have a plan yeah well there's there's kind of what is it there's got to be a number of plans well do you have a plan because it's not just going to be me it's going to be us because right now i'm listen i'm a i am a beneficiary of of capitalism i have been wildly fortunate because of capitalism but we are we are going to lose capitalism unless we find a combination of a ways to address it so what are the ways the invest america accounts is a perfect way right where you are building opportunity for the next generation the um the school choice uh provision in the working families tax cut act 1700 everybody in this room can give 1700 every year billions of dollars that are going to go into a school choice for for making sure everybody has equal equality of opportunity if you don't do that at maximum scale and this moment leaves the majority of americans behind we're not going to be able to get anything done spend more money on programs yes spend more money but not not spend more money spend more money in giving people opportunities so the reason those two accounts are great it takes it out of the government circumvents the government it's based on incentives and a choice by people that have wealth um it's uh it's sort of andrew carnegie uh brought to present day take that wealth put it in the hands of those who will benefit from it but it's your choice it's not decked and dictated by the government i think that's going to have to be part of the answer does anyone in congress subscribe to the notion that i think is rooted in you know empiricism that the more we spend the harder it is for people to have economic mobility you know and i think that there's a simplified notion that government has to play a role in driving people's progress and the truth is the more government intervenes in markets the more inefficient and the more expensive those markets get and therefore the more inaccessible wealth and value creation is for any individual and the freer the market the less the government intervenes the less the government is spending the less the government is buying the better things get for people generally speaking this is and it seems to me every time i visit dc i leave profoundly unhappy because i meet with people in congress and this is a notion that seems to be diametrically opposed to their viewpoints that everything is about doing more for people government needs to do more on both sides of the aisle versus if the government did less things would get more affordable things would get more accessible and people would have greater economic mobility well i mean you know talk about the the the government now we had not just one we had two shutdowns both were historic in terms of their length no we couldn't just agree on very basic things and now we've shut the government down collectively for over uh 120 days or whatever now so that's one of the thing as a democrat i refuse to engage in that thing if that's a core responsibility as a senator keep our government open and for the love of god find a way to agree enough to keep things open and put things in risk and make our country less less safe you know i'm proud to be a capitalist and now capitalism is the the the one system that has proven to raise life standard of humans across the globe you know that and now people in my party and now now we're having bad ids refuse to die and now we're talking about socialism and and communists right now we have we have candidates now that i'm i am a communist these things and that's like that seems interesting you know what's your point now talk to anyone that's had to live under those kinds of regime now they're all absolute capitalists right now and that's that's absolutely the fact that the market will has fixed a lot of these kinds of problems you know and i'm not terrified by ai am i concerned about it a hundred percent right right now and with now mythos and other concerns about mass hacking and now weaponizing it that way you know that's coming and now i think that should belong to america you know that you know america should build that chassis and now that's why if we turn my party into work uh ai is the scourge or the cancer now i refuse to reject that because it's going to transform the world now it can come from us or it can come from china whose side are you're going to be in and a lot of the people that oppose that now a lot of that opposition is funded by a lot of these groups that are aligned with ccp so that's part of the danger right now so that's the dangerous time right now and like democrats now in my party oh the problems are billionaires oh but we love the billionaires that fund you know our kinds of views and our views and that too i know target people you know people you know call out bezos or whatever it's like you don't don't don't do that don't call out private citizens uh identify them the problem you know they are create jobs if you've never created a job don't criticize people that that have really changed our our economy for the better honestly why is graham plattner doing so well in the polls this is a candidate that has a literal nazi tattoo on his chest yeah yeah what is what is history tells us comes next if he wins if a candidate like that can win what does that tell us yeah well when i when i was a kid if someone had a nazi tattoo you probably could call them a nazi sympathizer you know and someone now uh and now just yesterday we discovered that he was sexting with up to a dozen women and now democrats now some are saying well what's the big problem you know that's you know they're constantly just ignoring a lot of these things um and now this is a guy that just a couple years a couple years ago uh described uh an american soldier in a firefight with the taliban uh dumb mother that doesn't deserve to live that's his words who does that who lurks on there and you know he's really a tough guy behind a keyboard and i can't ex you know explain other than that it's a backlash to to how partisan things are someone like that should have been uh in this race right now and so here we are you know a guy that was text sexting to up to a dozen women you know he's getting a swallow on and now we're now we're kind of just oh what's the big deal uh why not confront that and just then call that out and that's that's the danger if now um these kinds of views uh could you imagine could you imagine if either one of us described an american soldier as a dumb mother that deserves to lie or he described the our army as as absolute trash absolute trash he described the american army as absolute trash um and and that's a viable candidate now and that's that's a bizarre place to live right now as a democrat if he wins what happens to this what does that tell us about where we're headed well look at what i mean what's happening there is i mean there's there's problems on both parties but certainly what you've seen on the left is two things i think it's indisputable one is a a migration to these terrible ideas of socialism and marxism and so forth but in addition to that this really rise of anti-semitism and hatred and that and that the tell here of how pervasive it is is the people who are now campaigning in maine chuck schumer uh elizabeth these are mainstream democrats that have now lurched so far to the left and i think um i think this is going to be if if those candidates win and that becomes validation of the viability of that stream of thinking in the democratic party i think it's in horribly unhealthy for america ironically the best thing we want if we're republicans is a strong democratic party that keeps us honest and keeps us in check with good ideas and uh and that's not happening and uh as i said we have problems on both sides but i think that lurch to the left is really frightening a frightening thing well and then let's say and you just you know brought up israel you know that's a profound betrayal for my party on israel or not too you know the people that are winning a lot of these elections you know you know one of their signature view is anti-anti-israel and borderline just you know raw anti-semitism and from a lot of these candidates now too and that's that's exactly where where we are um and now that has isolated me in the party and just calling that what that is i mean that that's that's dangerous and now uh that's where one of the things that we happen to agree on uh that's the right side of history uh for me and that's i mean maybe one of the best things that can happen is shapiro continues to do well in pennsylvania irrespective of which party you align with a prominent jew winning in pennsylvania running that state well is a very good sign actually for the rest of the country that there is common ground and that anti-semitism is much more in check than the perception we had also i think josh is fantastic and he you know has a lot of disagreements about us maybe uh going into this war and you know maybe being egged into doing it uh and by the way fetterman um if you're looking or freeberg if you're looking for the source of why people feel comfortable saying these terrible things you can look no further than trump and what he said about mccain being a war hero that started this actually this rhetoric and now everybody wants to one-up it he said he's not a war hero and he got captured that's where this started sacks oh please you're trying to blame trump for the fact that a democratic candidate in maine has a swastika the rhetoric no the rhetoric okay all right start with trump and he needs to we're in tds land but fortunately we're not interviewing you jacal let me ask uh senator federman a question so i appreciate your common sense views on ai on capitalism on all the things we're talking about and i think that uh the people in pennsylvania appreciate it i think you're very popular there but i'm curious do you ever get worried that you might get primaried in the democratic party when when you come up because i mean the bernie sanders wing is powerful they have a lot of activists they're very noisy i mean do you ever i mean i appreciate your maverick streak and your independence but do you how do you think about that risk well a seat or a job is is not a i'm always going to be i'm going to be honest and i'm always going to have uh you know my votes or my opinions are going to be what i happen to believe is is true you know uh it's not a seat worth trying to maintain if i'm going to lie or to pretend that things aren't absolutely true yeah absolutely i can be be primaried and there are some democrats that are they're angry at me if they're angry at me for supporting israel yeah they have at it if they're angry at me that i think it's wrong to shut down the government that's fine uh if if they're angry at me because i i refuse to call him a nazi or a fascist or a piece of i'll never do that you can hold me in that too but what's really strange in that the truth is somebody that votes like a 93 of the democratic line and if i change my party there was a lot of palace intrigue that i'm going to change the party and i'm i'm never going to do that and if i did i could change you know i could announce right now i am changing it right now my votes aren't going to change my views excuse me uh i wouldn't vote any differently things i happen to believe and and if if democrats run me out of the party they will be attacking a committed democrat that votes your line 93 of the time because we're in a new yik time right now that i think things are more important than trying to i i know what pays the bills as a democrat now literally what campaigns are based on trump literally in their campaign commercials yes and in their emails and outrage you know it's constant rage bait i refuse to engage in that and i'm going to be the an example of what i think is entirely appropriate and and a lot of the conversations are driven by people that represent very you know safe blue states states now oh like that's why pennsylvania keeps people honest here and people are going to remember in 28 oh yeah oh i want to be bipartisan i want to get along you know like people don't believe you and you know like they remember what what they've said and how people behave uh so that's where i'm at so yeah i could be primary but what's more important to be uh be truthful what i think are important values and remind people that the things we used to believe in you know i i think i want to i want to just move to just domestic policy and economics for a second if you you meant you said this incredible story in the green room which maybe you can start off with which is the quantum of people that reach out to you every week to mostly complain about various companies but just use that as an insight maybe to talk about ai because that's a huge part of your state it's also a huge part of the american economy and maybe compare it to what happened with shale and oil because there's a lot of commonalities i think it's quite interesting yeah it's uh i don't know if he gets the same amount but on an average week we have 14 million people in pennsylvania almost on an average week i'll get something like a hundred thousand outreaches to me uh letters emails phone calls and across different issues and you can almost see when the activists are mobilizing groups to come in and make the case on certain things and i do a call every two weeks this sort of an open mic where you get about 10 000 people that show up and the the number of data center calls data centers have become a much big bigger and pervasive thing and just to put this in perspective david david was there dina and i hosted an energy and innovation summit in pennsylvania last july we had 92 billion dollars of investment committed we had the energy ceos the ai ceos big investors global investors we had uh senator fetterman came governor shapiro came the president came the cabinet came it was amazing and that's by by the way that's what you need winning is a team sport and winning an ai is a team sport and you need all those players at the table um and so it was it was a real success and since then there's been enormous investments made in pennsylvania i visited one just the other week homer city 4.4 gigawatts of power from a coal plant that's being transitioned to uh natural gas 3.4 gigs is going to go into a data center complex a gigawatts going back on the grid to hopefully bring down energy prices so this is this is happening across pennsylvania but the opposition is growing and it's clear any organic part to this like is because it's very hard to understand what's happening when you have these kind of dark forces dark pools of money i can't is there a legitimate like i don't want to have this in my backyard for two things there's enormous misinformation and i think that misinformation is largely being driven by china and outside forces and then there's just legitimate not not understanding not knowing okay and we need to do a much better job of making sure that the outlines of what these data centers mean to communities is clear and and and and frankly there needs to be a much clearer covenant of what it means if you're going to have a data center in your community you're a township supervisor here's what you know um you're going to they're going to bring more energy they're going to use they're going to protect their water with closed loop um they're going to give this much to the tax base they're going to build schools or infrastructure we're ever going to build isn't that first part the only thing that matters in people's minds i just don't want my energy to build go up no um because as soon as you get through that they move to the next thing which is water and then the schools are going to be crowded and there's like so the schools are going to be crowded yeah they don't because there'll be new jobs no because we new people and they're not they're not making the connection to the tax base the roads are going to be crowded so there's a whole comprehensive case that needs to be made and uh what uh chamath was making the point we went through this before john and i went both lived through this with fracking huge campaign against huge misinformation lack of understanding and 15 years later i'd say there's pretty broad-based support yeah yeah there's unlimited money i mean you know they they someone finds some b-roll kind of a comment and they put 10 million dies behind it and they can they can turn you into the most extreme kinds of things it's ironically you know originally people try to convince people that i'm a socialist and now people are like now a mega or whatever like no i'm just i haven't changed my views are my views are are are the the same and you know i would tell people energy is national security look at what's happening in you know in in europe and other parts now if you don't have energy security then your your national security is in danger now ai is coming and and what what he's done he created this amazing symposium to remind people that you know we need both we need energy and pennsylvania produces a lot of that and now also ai is coming otherwise we'd still be using this spinny jenny or whatever that's called now so why do we talk about data centers because people forces are describing them as a scourge or a cancer that's going to bankrupt you or destroy your community now why do we have that right now because this is something that's going to transform our society um you know absolutely there could be a downside but overall it's going to be much more productive and that's going to create new opportunities now i refuse to become a party of of luddites uh and now that's you know like honest if i had to vote now claim that that's all cancer it's danger and it's all downside then i'd be lying and that's why i'm saying republican or democrat you know that's a fact these things are very very important and that's why i'm gonna can i just double click on this thing when you compare it to shale so in shale i'm gonna assume that when shale was escalating in importance the pushback were from corporate interests that would have economically lost out that's what i'm guessing the majority environmentalist environmental environmental but it seems like in ai we're dealing with foreign state actors yeah is that fair is that is that is it as reductively simple as that well if you go to those two parts one was the the campaign of misinformation and the other is a lack of understanding there's much more of a campaign of misinformation from outside forces this time around uh but but what happened in in the you know in in the case of shale methane destroys the water table you know don't want these in our backyards what happened of course was these enormous royalties for the farmers um we're the fourth largest natural gas reserves in the world if we were a country pennsylvania would be number four this is the economic engine for our state our state is the second largest energy producer in the country so this unlocks everything for pennsylvania and as those jobs started to be created so you saw the economic benefit the misinformation about the methane and the water table became clear slowly and much too long 15 years later we're now in a place where i bet 80 percent of people would have support fracking last night event you know you described that we have six to eight months uh ahead of china right is that right yeah okay so now you know you know you know my party is driving for a moratorium for data centers like i mean do you think china doesn't love that you know again that's why they're there there are parts behind some of the driving this this view you want to give that race to china it's coming you're coming it's the choice do you want america to to to build that chassis or do you want the chinese to do that you know like yeah you know data centers can make some things with some uh and at the core of that john is what you said earlier which is it starts with tds and then it goes with give china ai i would say this vote me out if you think it's okay to give china a benefit to win the ai race vote me out you know and you know but it's it's like so your favorite person in the audience my wife is clapping oh yeah yeah yeah yeah no exactly he says exactly the way i see it i mean that's exactly the way i see it as well so um we have great bipartisan agreement here so dave i was at your summit last year the energy and innovation summit where you announced 90 billion dollars of new investments the thing i was struck by was how broad based the representation was at that summit you only had software companies you had hardware companies you had manufacturing you had robotics you had energy nuclear fracking and then most interestingly is that you had the trades there and that's when a light bulb went on for me that oh this is a blue collar boom because this is a construction boom and blue collar workers are really going to benefit and the trades were represented there spoke to that and since then we've had hundreds of thousands of new jobs construction jobs created and 25 to 30 percent wage increases for construction workers and so i'm curious does that help make the cause more popular in pennsylvania are those trades are the unions still on board with this or have the politics that changed it all over the past year it's a great question and it's it's been extraordinary so just in the last 15 16 months and these are related by the way it's not just energy and projects and data centers it's u.s steel and a new next generation mill it's eli lily building a new plan it's hanwa in the philadelphia shipyard but they're coming in part because of the data centers and the energy projects and um and so i've spent a lot of time with the trades lately the most secure job in pennsylvania right now is a secure welder i mean is a seasoned welder an electrician an electrician these these honestly these these folks are coming out they're getting the training they're in their late teens early 20s they're making more than 100 grand a year in these sites and they can't they can't build they can't hire quick enough uh they can't find enough people to meet the demand and uh you know these the data centers i mean i've looked closely that there's one you know coming in berwick pennsylvania right next to where my uh where i went to high school you know the the way to think about it is there's sort of four buckets of economic activity that comes jobs that come there's of course the deals that come with them but there's the thousands of jobs to build the data centers and the energy that goes side by side so these are five ten thousand uh folks on the site then there's the hundreds of people to run the data centers then of course every three to four years the the hardware and everything in the data centers gets upgraded which brings in hundreds sometimes thousands of jobs there's the energy that's going side by side then there's the restaurants the hotels i met with the trucking association the other day they they guess that it's about two logistics jobs for every one job in a data center these things are economic engines so once you get that covenant straight people are willing to make the decision and if they're if a township supervisor accounting commissioner no senator is going to tell them to do this this has to come from the ground up in terms of making the decision but once they decide to do that it's a huge uh engine for their communities if they decide not to do it my point is okay where's where's your plan what is the plan in pennsylvania we've been losing people for 20 years we can't get our kids to stay this is like a rebirth it's amazing what's happening but we got to break through the misinformation and freeberg do you have a final question if not well i mean i think on this point why do you think it's so difficult for the democrats to embrace the facts on the ground because you have an empirical story to share about job creation value creation and there's no empiricism on the other side that there's job displacement or job loss and the white collar jobs which is generally part of two things i would say the notion of ai broadly is getting munged with the notion of data centers in a narrow thing data centers of course are an enormous component of this but those two those two things are unrelated second i i don't think it's just democrats like i mean we have no the america first movement is now in this horseshoe exactly aligned with we have we have the the far left and the far right yes converging on an anti we even have some besties who occasionally buy into the jobs apocalypse so no no i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm job never misrepresent me sacks i will call you out every time i just believe there'll be jobs you can also use the word job mobility well i think i'll let finish my sentence please yeah i'm speaking job displacement is occurring and that new jobs need to be created to fill that in and i think that's the blind spot of the people who have trump dedication syndrome is that they will never actually do anything that would modestly criticize the president and that's part of the challenge i want to have a well i just i just about the amount of money being donated by special interests do we need to get money out of politics because that seems to be the root of a lot of these problems is that you know billionaires can give 50 million 50 million 100 million 200 million whether it's soros or friends of ours it feels like there's way too much money in politics does that have to change for this type of issue uh you know around data centers etc and special interests and and how do we can we ever get there yeah well i i would i would say of the five things i would do to fix america right now that wouldn't be in the top five but yes conceptually i'd like to get money out of politics there was my race was 500 million dollars we raised 200 million on my side 300 million on the on the the opposition side we we couldn't keep up i was i was record before in 22 we raised you know and you know my race was 300 330 million and and now that's quaint wait till 26 wait till 28 this is going to look like quaint and that and that's the thing you know we need to get money out or this group needs to be donating a lot more to both or get rid of get rid of the primary process too you know and and now open to other people and now these primaries they identify the extreme kinds of views and put out someone you know and and that's part of it now too collectively 300 million dollars were spent to to describe to destroy our reputations think what 300 million dollars could do for pennsylvania or for people that was spent to destroy reputations you know you're terrible i am terrible uh that's the absurdity of the american politics right on that note i actually want to say both of you are incredibly rational and reasonable and incredible american so i just want to thank you senators fetterman and mccormick very much appreciate you