SPEAKER_00: openai is a major target if you say we're going to allow we're going to pay for your legal expenses under what circumstances i wonder because if people go in there and explicitly steal uh

SPEAKER_01: then they could have a thousand drive-by you have a hundred drive-by attorneys launch a hundred lawsuits each and just drowned openai in lawsuits based on the training data so this yeah i don't

SPEAKER_00: think that they've figured out some defense here this is a very dangerous thing to do

SPEAKER_04: it's literally like waving a red flag in front of bulls bulls being drive-by attorneys who are

SPEAKER_09: looking for a target yeah be careful i don't know who came up with this idea but this sounds dangerous this week in startups is brought to you by linkedin jobs a business is only as strong as

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SPEAKER_14: mondays this is this week in ai with my guy sonny mandra we are back we are back exciting day big

SPEAKER_20: exciting day tell everybody why exciting weekend well there's exciting weekend too but yeah everything was exciting yeah i know uh well let's start with the day and we'll go from there so open ai dev day first

SPEAKER_23: one uh you know what's interesting is we're just literally a little over uh 11 months in right because

SPEAKER_24: this thing launched at the end of last november and so at the beginning of this november it's like

SPEAKER_23: the first kind of developer conference and you know open ai came out swinging they have launched a

SPEAKER_26: bunch of cost reductions to their existing models um capabilities to fine-tune gpt4 which is important for folks that are building certain production applications and use case specific applications

SPEAKER_23: and then a bunch of new features um one or two of which we'll try to demo here and we can talk about gpts as well we don't that's uh was it we weren't quick enough to be able to demo that but that's sort of

SPEAKER_24: like an evolution of the plugins and i know you know we've talked about that we've demoed them before as

SPEAKER_33: well the plugins were terrible they were broken and now it seems this new apps framework that uh sam

SPEAKER_01: altman demo today was really looked like super compelling because you didn't need to be a developer to release something in the app store i thought that was the most fascinating thing that civilization and monetization so you could build so let's start there because i felt this was the strongest part of the presentation um just in terms of something that i could see becoming a hockey stick so let's go

SPEAKER_24: right to that okay well so we'll like so all of the the gpts let's say are going to be kind of forms of assistance right so let's kind of start right there so um what you'll see here is and i've kind of created two just for fun really quickly i created one around the executive order and one around the the all-in pod and so the executive order one and you can see here it's it's pretty straightforward to create these now you basically give it a name give it some instructions pick the model and the

SPEAKER_44: instructions you said here is you are an assistant that is an expert on the new executive order from

SPEAKER_26: the white house on ai yeah you pick the model chat gpt4 well this is the latest one the 1106 this is gpt4 turbo that has 128k context window explain to people what that context window does yeah so that

SPEAKER_24: is effectively the amount of tokens that you can give it and it can come back out in as a combination and

SPEAKER_33: so which in plain english an example would be a pdf of a book or a transcript of a call or a bunch of uh uh uh spreadsheets etc a database yeah so it's the when when people say tokens in a way what they're

SPEAKER_55: saying is the size of the attachment correct one way to think about it and it's not like correct but

SPEAKER_24: i think conceptually you can use it which is you can think about a token as a word right and so when you have like 128 000 like a typical page is 500 words so you can kind of do your book is 60 or 70 000

SPEAKER_01: words so this is like two book one long book or maybe two small books yeah so you could take the

SPEAKER_58: book angel you take the book the power law yeah and you could say hey make me cliff notes and the whole

SPEAKER_33: concept of like cliff notes uh can be done for any product you don't have to wait for cliff notes to

SPEAKER_62: hire some writers and spend fifty thousand dollars making it and then printing it it's just

SPEAKER_26: available to anybody anytime and can be customized right you can give it some instructions to write it to you like a pirate or like a child or whichever version you bullet points tables whatever it happens to

SPEAKER_23: be exactly so we did the executive order and here you can turn on um you know so functions is is something you can get into a different time but this is um like giving the uh the assistant uh capability to interact with like an outside service and so basically you know you'd be writing code if you're doing this um code interpreter is you know the one that you've even tried before which is sure

SPEAKER_24: ready for to analyze documents and retrieval is the new feature as well where you can now give it some

SPEAKER_23: documents so in this case i've given it like the overall summary and then uh our law firm uh dla they

SPEAKER_24: wrote an executive summary as well so i've kind of given it both of those documents and once you do that

SPEAKER_70: you effectively now what do they call it they call these apps they're what are they calling this i think

SPEAKER_24: they're going to call them gpts right gpts okay gpts right and i think that's how they've denoted them and

SPEAKER_23: basically you know you you're up and running here and um you know this is still in in the preview and

SPEAKER_74: the okay so what you're showing now is the because we always like to explain it for people listening is what looks like the normal chat gpt window so in a way all of the sort of instructions you might give

SPEAKER_01: it the setup the architecture of this dialogue you're about to have with the language model has

SPEAKER_00: been done ahead of time for you yes so if somebody wanted to create um a shakespeare um language model

SPEAKER_01: or a shakespeare gpt let's call it a shakespeare app i'm going to call them apps yeah if i wanted to create a shakespeare app uh previously people have trained a model on all of shakespeare's work here you

SPEAKER_74: could just upload all of shakespeare's work maybe some analysis from some famous people yes and you

SPEAKER_01: could call it the shakespeare gpt or the shakespeare app yes uh and then i wouldn't have to do all that

SPEAKER_24: work as the next person who came in correct and you'll be able to publish this and you'll be able to you know kind of go off to the races and so you know here um yeah and look we've seen a bunch of startups that were doing this and this is like you know these demo days are becoming quite like when apple used to have these days right they used to launch features that would wipe out apps right that were sure doing you know features that should have been part of the os and so i think a lot of you know folks are building these hey like take a document and create and and you know we'll demo one as well but i think they have some good capabilities better capabilities than this so far so

SPEAKER_23: you know i took those two orders i dropped it in here and it it does give you uh like an initial summary and look this is hot off the presence like it just kind of came live about an hour ago

SPEAKER_24: um it doesn't fully summarize the document here it's only done kind of like two sections and there's

Chamath Palihapitiya: multiple sections to this document yeah what's super brilliant about this is now you can take this app

SPEAKER_90: yeah and your app is the ai executive order app the one i described was my shakespeare app yeah another one might be you know gordon ramsey's cooking app and gordon ramsey could put it in every

SPEAKER_74: single video he's ever made everything he's ever made and they can publish it and then it will go to the app store and open ai is going to have the equivalent of an app store and they're going to have the ability to let you charge for these did they mention how that works and then the share

SPEAKER_24: the revenue share they didn't get into a lot of details but you know what was interesting rather than like a cut model which is what we have in the app store it felt like a like a more of a

SPEAKER_23: spotify model where which would be usage based and so um you know the way spotify works is when you

SPEAKER_24: upload music there it's a you know you get paid as a you know uh like a function representation of how

SPEAKER_23: many streams you have relative to everyone else and so the the short blurb that sam gave was more

SPEAKER_24: aligned to that type of business model than a charge a dollar 99 per you know per use and so maybe what they're trying to do is say look people are already paying us 20 a month we'll just give you a portion of that like in spotify depending on how much people are using it got it so they'll create a pool

SPEAKER_90: of money that goes to people who release these in their app store and you don't subscribe to somebody's

SPEAKER_45: shakespeare app you they would just hey you know a thousand people are using this a day so we're going

SPEAKER_90: to send you whatever 500 bucks a month just a you know kind of un a non-specific revenue share which

SPEAKER_58: is probably a mistake they couldn't send these and give those but they should come up with a legitimate

SPEAKER_90: um tied to performance based uh use case now you got to be careful doing that because then there could

SPEAKER_45: be abuse in the system but i think you know if paid users use your app x number of times you get paid for x amount of usage could be pretty easy you know for every search they do you get a penny so if there were you know a hundred shakespeare app searches you got a you got a dollar and if there

SPEAKER_105: were a thousand you got ten if there were ten thousand you got a hundred pretty straightforward right

SPEAKER_112: yeah and so look i think it's going to keep evolving but this to me is a good evolution of

SPEAKER_23: plugins uh you know i think a little bit of a concession by them that the original and let's go like they're moving quickly right the whole thing's only been around for 11 months so they're conceding that that wasn't the right play they're going to have a store for these they're going to make it such that non-developers can create them as well and i think it's going to there's going to be a lot of innovation in a short amount of time it's excellent for open ai as a platform because they're going to get a lot of mind share you know this is an interesting thing that i i also saw just from a relative standpoint and kind of tying back into your investing world there was only about 40 50 000 people on the stream this morning interesting and so if you compare that to sort of like the size and scale of like a an apple dev day or something like that right still quite small so it's really really early like we're in the thick of it but i think if you're building something

SPEAKER_118: here this is literally like the first time steve jobs shared the app store people are like huh maybe

SPEAKER_45: but yeah to sam and by the way sam did a great job so shout out sam altman uh i texted him congratulated him um later this month we're going to launch the gpt store so that's coming and how that works who knows but i could see this be very interesting for people who are content creators in other words remember there were some authors who sued people i think they might have ensued open ai for ingesting

SPEAKER_74: their books yeah well this gives them an off ramp they could say you know what in the core model we're taking out stephen king's works yep but there is a stephen king app that stephen king gets 70 of the dollars in and if you want to quote stephen king work and you want to build stuff that stephen

SPEAKER_90: king related please use his app right yeah so in a way this reminds me of what youtube did around copyright which is instead of taking down all these videos they allowed people to claim ownership

SPEAKER_74: of that so imagine somebody has a photo library and dolly is using it well now you can say you know what if you want to if you want to make images by the way check this box and you can use the getty images yep and there's a getty app or gpt as they call them and they just call them apps it's i don't

SPEAKER_131: know why they're calling them gpts i'm going to call them apps but imagine if getty just said okay yeah

SPEAKER_74: we'll put a link to all of our stuff and you can make images based on these apps and we're done

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SPEAKER_139: copyright protection they uh did you see that explain what that was i was confused by that yeah

SPEAKER_140: yeah explain that so um like uh let me try to pull up the article maybe nick you can help pull it up but like it's called copyright shield yeah copyright i will pay the costs incurred if users face legal

SPEAKER_141: claims around copyright infringement on both chat gpt enterprise and the api yeah so that means if you

SPEAKER_23: build something and someone comes after you saying oh hey inside our you know in your model and you know

SPEAKER_24: you've talked about this a lot right then it looks like my work is in here they're going to help protect you so they're really standing up to their ecosystem you know for their ecosystem that's going

SPEAKER_01: to be building these things here this seems like uh also though waving a red flag at a bunch of bulls

SPEAKER_148: which are the lawyers they have an unintended consequence openai is a major target if you say

SPEAKER_00: we're going to allow we're going to pay for your legal expenses under what circumstances i wonder

SPEAKER_01: because if people go in there and explicitly steal uh then they could have a thousand drive by i can have a hundred drive by attorneys launch a hundred lawsuits each and just drowned open ai in lawsuits

SPEAKER_00: based on the training data so this yeah i don't think that they've figured out some defense here this

SPEAKER_04: is a very dangerous thing to do it's literally like waving a red flag in front of bulls bulls being

SPEAKER_07: drive by attorneys who are looking for a target yeah be careful i don't know who came up with this

SPEAKER_20: idea but this sounds dangerous or maybe it's not because they're confident that they have no

David Friedberg: copyrighted work in there oh okay sure maybe do you think they started pulling stuff out yeah and so

SPEAKER_24: they like i wonder if they did that do you think and they use all ai to make sure that they don't have anything in there and they're so confident that come after us because we can show you that

SPEAKER_45: none of our training material has copyrighted work yeah i wonder if that's the case because there was reddit twitter quora facebook a number of people were like concerned about these open crawls on

SPEAKER_90: the internet yeah um and you know one of the things about these open crawls of the internet is if you're using one of those open crawls and we talked about it right is it even called open crawl

SPEAKER_156: i think it's something that might even be one common common crawl yeah if you're using common crawl

SPEAKER_90: it's in common crawls terms of service it's your responsibility to then know the terms of service

SPEAKER_74: of who they crawled and what you're allowed to do with it so any lm uh or lm you know based on that common crawl it's up to that group to then go make sure that it's not stolen material for example

SPEAKER_45: if somebody there are a ton of websites that used to take my tweets or other people's tweets and republish them to their website and do like some analysis on them yeah so if you were to do like

SPEAKER_74: you know this like twitter counter or whatever and they had scraped and published that data they broke the law doing that twitter never went after them didn't know it wasn't a big enough target

SPEAKER_121: was offshore then you scraped it now you've trained your model on stolen content which is like you getting sto buying a stolen bicycle it's still a stolen bicycle you still have to give it back yeah yeah so this is

SPEAKER_01: going to be super complicated that's kind of a bold move maybe they're doing it for optics maybe they just you know they know that they could burn 100 million on defending lawsuits and not worry about it because they have so much cash you know it's a 90 billion dollar company maybe they got so much money

SPEAKER_24: or imagine like because you know they've invested in um harvey that's like a like a legal ai

SPEAKER_167: imagine they fight the lawsuits with an ai so they know they can outgun the drive-bys exactly it's just

SPEAKER_74: pretty interesting so this i think is going to change everything because this is like an app store

SPEAKER_170: that anybody can build apps for yes this is going to be explosive in terms of its growth i think

SPEAKER_00: there are going to be a bunch of surplus there's a bunch of surplus cognitive power in the world yep when you're around on the weekend and you're like what should i do tonight that means there's surplus

SPEAKER_174: cognitive uh power just sitting out there so time rich cash poor is another way to put it as well

SPEAKER_00: exactly so you might have a billion people who are sitting there on a friday night with nothing to do or they're unemployed on a friday during the day and they go you know what that's a good place to make money i should start building stuff there and what that does is now you've got everybody finding and crawling and finding all the edge cases of interesting use cases which is exactly what happened for apple apple figured out that people wanted a flashlight

SPEAKER_74: people wanted a calculator people wanted a stock app a weather app uh they wanted messaging apps that had all kinds of cool features in it they wanted an app for images that would let you put filters on it and as you mentioned earlier every steve jobs was very in attuned to this so he would give people like three or four years to exploit the flashlight app and then like here are five of the flashlight app they'd be like you know what we're going to put that in the control center yeah you're five of

SPEAKER_90: disappearing messages or emojis and messages okay yeah we're going to incorporate that into i message

SPEAKER_148: yeah and so or even groups you know like uh all of those features eventually made it into i message where now i message feels in some ways very similar to whatsapp exactly yeah so um we're at the start of

SPEAKER_23: it i i kind of agree with you 100 i think there's going to be a lot of momentum in this and we're

SPEAKER_24: going to see a lot of innovation and it's really going to change the way we consume the internet

SPEAKER_23: i think that's the other fear because uh or maybe opportunity depending on which side of the fence you're on here um instead of consuming the internet through the end sites you'll find the bot to interact with and the bots will have all different levels of capabilities depending on this like apps right depending on the sophistication of the developer and you'll be like wow sunny i found this really good travel bot and it's great for a b and c you know and it does all everything you need and and so i think we're going to see a you know one of the things that i kind of predict you know put

SPEAKER_24: as a tweet out there and say prediction was that we're going to really start seeing a different way

SPEAKER_45: in that the internet's consumed going forward yeah this could change a lot of things where yeah the same way apps took people away from google search now google search has kept growing because overall use of the internet keeps growing and people keep getting higher speed connections and more people

SPEAKER_40: get online and they have more a little 18 billion dollars a year to uh suck down that apple traffic

SPEAKER_187: but the app store did you know take people away when i search for restaurants i use the yelp app

SPEAKER_33: yeah and then maybe you know sometimes i'll fall back to google local and do a google search but

SPEAKER_74: they did take away 90 of me searching for restaurants that's but one example and so the question is will

SPEAKER_45: chat gpt apps or gpts open ai gpt chat whatever there's so many names for this company uh will those actually intercept traffic or not that's gonna be interesting question and then could they be published as apps the answer is probably yes and sam made it pretty clear we're going to pay people who build the most useful and most used gpts in our gpt store we're excited to share more info soon that says to me it's an experiment right now they don't have a formal process also spotify like though

SPEAKER_154: it feels like that's why i was going it's like spotify like you know you got to put things in there that people use that's how you're really going to get paid okay there it is yeah uh all right

SPEAKER_01: okay so that's apps or gpts what else and you know they they did talk about uh also lowering the cost of

SPEAKER_23: the api yeah so you know that's kind of tough to demo but what i'll demo is alongside that they have

SPEAKER_24: this new model it's in preview as gpt4 1106 right that's today's date and this is gpt4 and if you

SPEAKER_23: ever used it it can be slow so i'm going to just do this here tell me about the theory of relativity and if i click it here in the playground you'll see how quick it uh kind of it spits stuff out now so

SPEAKER_24: it's running you know about as fast as gpt35 turbo was now which i think is going to be really useful

SPEAKER_23: because the capability of that the gpt4 model is significantly you know better than gpt35 and so getting the cost down i think something like 7x and then getting the speed up is going to create really good experiences you know one of the things you and i have talked about is that back and forth speed is still a little bit lacking so now they're just cutting away at that and i think they're one more iteration from it being like real time where you won't even realize that you're

SPEAKER_200: even talking to something that's processing it on the other side yeah i felt like this um uh typing

SPEAKER_33: and the haptics where it's like typing out your answer and you're kind of following along with it it was like exciting and you know you know was kind of uh enthralling a little bit for that first year

SPEAKER_202: and now it's just annoying yeah like i like i appreciate bard when i just type it in and bar just like snap boom here it is just give me the whole thing i just want the whole answer and then you know

SPEAKER_121: with the talking to your assistant like the her kind of uh modality it's just too slow this whole cb radio thing where it you have to say your request over and then it does it over i don't like that i

SPEAKER_148: like to be able to stop it and say whoa whoa whoa whoa i don't want i don't want seven restaurants i just want the one best one okay sorry sorry boss but the rate of innovation is incredible jake how like

SPEAKER_23: you know for the longest time the measure that we use was like moore's law right and you know

SPEAKER_24: moore's law was like every 18 months we'll get you know twice as many transistors or something like that yeah and um and so if you look at the speed of gpt4 in less than a year right these are multiple we're not talking like it's 2x faster right we're talking like 7x faster so i think the speed at which

SPEAKER_23: this is happening now it's going to really give us some of these experiences that people are looking for

SPEAKER_32: these kind of human-like almost instantaneous you know sub 100 millisecond kind of things right or

SPEAKER_213: maybe 250 milliseconds well and here we are yeah uh so what else did they um launch today uh i think

SPEAKER_24: that those those are the those are the major announcements i think like some new apis um the

SPEAKER_215: assistant apis the gpts uh and then you know the privacy shield those are the major tokens right the

SPEAKER_121: tokens right the token window which i'll just say is the attachment window correct correct you know just so i can translate this for people these are apps i'm going to rebrand all their stuff okay go do it do it they're not tokens it's attachments that's it let's stop with the context window context window

SPEAKER_74: is too confusing attachments attachments go up to 128k so just like gmail remember when gmail had like the five megabit limit and then it went to 10 and then they were like okay do whatever you want we don't

SPEAKER_90: care so that was huge because claw two um was up to like 100k in tokens now they leapfrogged them so

SPEAKER_74: this means they're paying it this says to me open air is pay attention paying attention to the competitive

SPEAKER_01: set i just wanted to one up it this also cost them a lot of money i gotta think when you're uploading a book where you upload an episode you i think you uploaded a transcript of yep uh the all-in podcast

SPEAKER_33: to exactly uh there like yep you know you can then put the whole transcript up and then start asking

SPEAKER_154: questions about the episode pretty cool um yeah i'll just pull that back up real quick yeah so we i was

SPEAKER_23: doing in the background we were talking but i uploaded the whole transcript here asked for a quick summary and so look you know the other thing is there's a lot of tools that we're doing this now now you can kind of build your own bot here that can be an all-in bot you can create a pipeline from descript or whatever tools that you guys use there to to transcribe these things and it's all you know

SPEAKER_24: you'll have a bot instantaneously that you can chat with about episodes incredible all right let me tell

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SPEAKER_68: from uh open ai day which was which was really fun uh the next one and the cost went down just

SPEAKER_33: so we're clear if you blend it at all it's about 2.75 times cheaper than gpt4 model according to our

SPEAKER_217: notes so yeah so faster and cheaper and bigger context windows so you get a lot of yeah so they're

SPEAKER_45: working on cost reduction because they want more people to use it and they put the speed on the back burner for a little bit yeah they want it to cost two to three times less money to do stuff

SPEAKER_148: one cent per a thousand input tokens three cents per a thousand output tokens so pretty great and the

SPEAKER_121: knowledge cut off for gpt4 turbo is up to april 2023 i see so this is interesting that these are

SPEAKER_187: the variables now i bet you will be sitting here in two years three years these will no longer be the

SPEAKER_45: variables that we talk about cost won't even come yeah yeah next year we won't be talking about

SPEAKER_01: cost just like nobody talks about storage cost anymore but that was like an issue for three or four that's an issue for maybe a decade people talk about online storage costs it's not going to be even discussed and i think the attachments um you know context window aka context window we're not going to even talk about that because it would be like you'd be like talking about like sharing on

SPEAKER_24: like human like you know at 128 000 or 828 k it's already beyond most human like you know you can

SPEAKER_246: put books at this point yeah but if you uploaded a movie if you uploaded blade runner the entire film

SPEAKER_162: and you wanted a frame by frame analysis kind of situation sure that would be a lot bigger than the

SPEAKER_247: current context window so i would think like if you said i wanted to analyze each frame so yeah you

SPEAKER_121: know it's just this is exactly like that with storage and transit there was a time where the idea of sending somebody an entire movie or even an hd video that was more than a minute was you needed to

SPEAKER_33: have something like um what was kim.com's company share file or something no it was something for sharing

SPEAKER_79: files that he did you know like back in the day you couldn't share large files you had to use like you know these third-party attachment things where you would upload it would take an hour then

SPEAKER_121: you'd send somebody the link they would download it kim.com had a service that he got busted for

SPEAKER_255: yeah mega mega upload there you go yeah mega i think i was like for short yeah and then those

SPEAKER_250: things became unnecessary that's what's going to happen here with all this stuff yeah but i'm really interested in the apps that's i thought that was the biggest announcement for me today is the apps

SPEAKER_263: all right so i should we rate that should we rate this stuff oh yeah i rate the apps uh i'm gonna rate

SPEAKER_45: the apps i'm gonna rate the app announcement as uh and the functionality that you displayed it a b plus

SPEAKER_23: okay that is a b plus out of the game i'm gonna go b minus and because actually there's some nuances of

SPEAKER_24: what we've done here um so in both cases you know in the one case i uploaded the white house um executive order in the other case i uploaded the entire um transcript of the last all in pod it was only it

SPEAKER_23: wasn't able to analyze the whole thing and so this functionality just came live and maybe they're throttling it and you know i've been getting some errors and timeouts but from the engineering standpoint it's meant to work it's super easy but it wasn't doing the whole thing so we have to call

SPEAKER_93: that out so we're on a vision on a vision i feel like it's almost all there so b plus if they had

SPEAKER_90: the pricing everything all sorted yeah yeah then i'd probably go like a plus like if but it's kind

SPEAKER_121: of like the app store in the early days which is like who knows exactly what the rules are going to be

SPEAKER_33: but i give that a b plus for me b minus for sandeep yep uh and then for the you know chat gpt4 turbo i don't know how to rate that one's hard that one's harder i think let's let's wait for people

SPEAKER_277: to integrate that in i think that's more of like a developer kind of feature sounds good nick anything

SPEAKER_283: else we had to rate there that we didn't no it was good i i thought um you know what sunny was referring to is the uh gpt4 new developer model in the playground was only um grokking if i'll use that word the first like you know 15 minutes of the pot of the transcript or you know so maybe 10 000 tokens or so whereas claude too which i use for almost everything that needs longer context when more tokens in the context windows we ran the same transcript in claude and gave a very similar prompt and it gave basically a perfect summary of the entire episode right they even joke like they even had the all the way at the end the host closed the show by joking about david sacks unreliable rsvp habits right almost perfect um i mean it's not a beach yeah it's pretty amazing what nuts

SPEAKER_286: wasn't there yet so i'm still giving claude the edge in this specific all right so you would go with

SPEAKER_45: uh okay so for the token window yeah okay i got it yeah all right great uh let's go on to our next

SPEAKER_40: demo okay congrats to the open ai team yeah so the next one uh you know i for these guys i actually

SPEAKER_23: used this last week for a little project and that's why i had some of the context ready because it's called droxy ai and what they have is like a platform that allows you to create chat bots very similar to what we were just you know showing off there but it's i want to maybe lead into this one

SPEAKER_24: where you can give some guidance to teams like this who are building things that are getting you know a bit maybe cannibalized from the platform so in their case uh you know you can create a chat bot you can upload your content you can do your configuration on like which model you want to use and uh you know what your behavior is very very similar to what we saw there you can customize what the chatbot looks like you can integrate you can integrations look at the conversations and so here um you know once this is done you can click off to it and similar here is like you know you can

SPEAKER_291: chat with it regarding the executive order right so you can say you know give me right so the same

SPEAKER_01: shakespeare app or the same executive order app can be built here with proxy.ai so you asked me the

SPEAKER_00: original question how can you differentiate very simple if you allow white labeling and you allow these things to exist outside of your domain name then uh that's something that chat gpt is not going

SPEAKER_01: to do right they're going to have all of their apps or gpts in their store it's going to be part of

SPEAKER_00: their flow sometimes you want to have these things on your own domain name you want to control them

SPEAKER_90: and you want to monetize them how you want to monetize them so it's kind of the equivalent of if you were on patreon right or substack and you have to exist in their ecosystem on their domain names typically you can do custom domains on substack but essentially a substack is you're on substack

SPEAKER_74: for better or worse but then there are things like ghost um which is a back end and then there is like stripe for memberships and there's other membership software that kind of disappears into the background and lets you do these things on your own without having the rules set and living in the

SPEAKER_121: ecosystem of another player and that allows people to do things that they wouldn't be able to do when

SPEAKER_90: they're inside of that so i i kind of like those right yeah um yeah and so that would be the that's the

SPEAKER_24: right path to go yeah so during the dev day they showed a demonstration where there was like a like an assistant that was integrated into like a third party site i think they call it like wanderlist or something but it's a very dev heavy integration i think what you can do here is what you talked about is make it such that a non-developer low code can create one of these things for your customer

SPEAKER_68: service area whatever it happens to be for your business and put a domain name on it

SPEAKER_85: yeah exactly yeah you slap a domain or hit export and make an app out of it so yeah you could take

SPEAKER_45: all this code and release it as swift or yeah you know whatever you know programming language you're

SPEAKER_33: using and then you could then compile it and make an app out of it right so those are the ways to

SPEAKER_01: kind of uh free people from being caught up in somebody else's ecosystem which is always

SPEAKER_74: dangerous like sam harris had a patreon but he didn't want to be beholden to patreon and have them take his money away because he watched them do it to somebody and the person they did it to was

SPEAKER_01: somebody doing something abhorrent right but he's like okay they took the person down doing something abhorrent right let's just say they were like doing hate speech so he was like okay well at some point

SPEAKER_74: they may come for me for doing something controversial therefore i don't want to have that attack vector

SPEAKER_00: and i want to own this relationship with each of these people so i'm going to move off the platform just like some people will uh we use as an example wistia it's a great video hosting service for businesses and uh it's we can white label it and use it for our videos instead of using youtube

SPEAKER_255: so we're just independent of that right so some business users will want to use that right very simple

SPEAKER_23: yeah and i think yeah i think it's a good idea so like i i really liked it i used it um you know in fact i used it for some of our documentation as well so um and you know kind of continue down that path to create something that allows you to white label it put it out there

SPEAKER_24: make the workflow very simple allow you to attach a domain to it all the good stuff pick a monetization

SPEAKER_74: model like you're you're going to be beholden to the monetization model that openai has just like you are beholden to patreon here you could tell people sell it one time sell it per query sell it a

SPEAKER_45: minute whatever you choose whatever your jam is subscription etc so yeah i would just listen to

SPEAKER_121: your customers and keep building features that chat gp doesn't get to there's a long tail of

SPEAKER_148: features that people would want yeah and enterprise and white label are amongst them great all right

SPEAKER_20: i'm going to keep rocking and rolling i'm going to give them a b i'm going to give them a b on their service yeah right now yeah i'm there with you i think they've done a good job it works really well

SPEAKER_26: super simple easy to get set up and they just need to add sort of the kind of the distribution loops

SPEAKER_215: into the into the application all right okay good stuff listen a lot of times when you're building

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SPEAKER_24: one jacal so this one is called mindy it has no interface it's email and so this one i'm going to jump into my email so when you get started with it basically um this is like the first email that you get

SPEAKER_23: and uh it says hey my name is mindy glad to work with you and just reply to this email so that you agree to terms of service and let's get started and then basically you get going and so you can

SPEAKER_200: and it's a virtual it's an ai chief of staff it says yes which means it's going to sort your email

SPEAKER_41: doesn't sort your email and so like the examples we're going to look at is it can do research on a

SPEAKER_23: topic for you it can analyze documents you can organize meetings and so okay i'll just show you here

SPEAKER_24: because it it's it's not instantaneous so it takes about you know in my case look like 20 minutes so i did the same thing you know we're on this summary of this executive order so i had a pdf of the executive order the same one that i put in droxy and same one that i put into chat gpt assistance api and basically said hey i have this pdf um executive of the white house can you summarize it for me and basically it sends me an email back of a summary of it so inside your workflow and i know you know jake how you've been talking about getting people to just use these things in their existing workflows now it's here and so in gmail or in your email in your email so this is like a chat assistant

SPEAKER_00: a copilot for gen xers and boomers who live in their email boxes i love it yeah yeah well what's

SPEAKER_23: great about is you can cc them you can cc mindy yes as well and so i did another one which you know pretty cool i said hey mindy could you add a calendar right for a weekly poker game this thursday it did it sent me the calendar invite for the poker game which is right here and you know sort of like well done i i gotta give them credit on this and uh the last one you know again you don't

SPEAKER_24: have to even give it an attachment um this is one of their examples and i wanted to summarize this supreme court opinion and just gave a link to it and it did the exact same thing uh gave me a quick summary of it so this is really low barrier to entry using assistance for a lot of different

SPEAKER_90: workflows and use cases love it yeah um i give this a b it's neat what i like about it is the ability to

SPEAKER_121: cc it and have it suggest things yeah so okay i like the idea that mindy is cc'd on these communications and then she might say to me in slack or whatever hey you didn't get back to this person yeah hey put

SPEAKER_74: this on my to-do list so this idea of an integrated in my email box where did i wanted to really sort through stuff so already you have gmail and superhuman putting things into tabs what i wanted to do is show me a bunch of stuff and say i think this is not important am i correct and you say yeah it's not important never show it to me again all right i think this is a founder pitching you yeah to invest in your company what you what should i do with it and i say oh you should forward that to this email so i have an email for our database team okay and i wanted to i want to say yes that's correct in the future i want you to automatically email any stuff from a founder to this email and let this person know and if it's a biotech company i want you to respond and say we don't invest in biotech so i could see see this assistant learning and doing reinforcement learning yeah and then i say well that's my wife that's my family member that's my brother this person works for me at launch this person's an lp and if it started to learn who the different people were and how important they are so it just asked me

SPEAKER_45: hey i think this person is really important on a scale of one to ten oh yeah that's a ten that's my wife oh yeah that's a ten that's you know this is the president of my organization oh that's a ten that's a ceo of my most important portfolio company then it could start to learn over time and then this is

SPEAKER_187: where the talking interface i would love on a widescreen monitor for just to go boom yeah here's

SPEAKER_74: ten emails let's go through them real quick number one this number two what do you want to do with this number three what do you want to do with this number four what do you want to do with this can you imagine if um on my thing it just brought up ten emails at a time and said these three emails look like they're startups pitching you would you like me to send them to andre and i would look

SPEAKER_38: at them and say yes boom done dispatch okay these two look like um they are press releases would you

SPEAKER_01: like what would you like me to do with them i'd be like uh delete them delete any emails from that person before and put them on my spam filter yeah boom you know like because that would be like i'm

SPEAKER_74: training and what to do in real time yeah and then it could just show me this email came in yeah imagine you're sitting there and as as email comes in it goes an email from a founder uh who wants you to invest in this company came in i'm sending it to andre in five four or three you know like when you open ways it gives you that countdown clock because it thinks you're going to your office or whatever and it's just like going to your office in five four like that boom and it would just wait wait a second let me see that one oh yeah you know what i'll respond to that one yeah you get the idea

SPEAKER_24: yeah i mean um i you know what's interesting is what you're talking about is a little bit of a mix of an end service but also an email client and what these guys right now are they're an end service right so they you know so they'd have to get cc'd on every message coming in and then process it on their side it's almost interesting to see what could happen if you took some of the ideas you're talking about and moved it into the email client like a shout out to the mini team yeah shout out to the mini team

SPEAKER_45: email me like an email assistant that sorted email is a much better idea than just talking to one

SPEAKER_01: like creating a gateway i would study how people are drowning in email and how they route them and how they dispatch emails and be that be the email router shorter part of chief of staff i think

SPEAKER_154: that's a really good kind of you know a direction for them to go in there i think can be really

SPEAKER_121: powerful well i mean superhuman has done some stuff but what superhuman has done is really around

SPEAKER_45: responding and the the email um composing emails right yep but i really want the higher level

SPEAKER_262: stuff which is sorting through them yeah sonny you got a grade uh yeah to me this is a b plus

SPEAKER_148: i'm giving it b minus in this one actually okay all right i feel it's very simple as presented

SPEAKER_00: but i love the potential so uh you know keep impressing us here but great job great start to mindy.com and great domain name too mindy.com i love it love it exactly great okay uh next one

SPEAKER_368: we're gonna keep we're we're going through a lot of with oil here yeah i'm liking it all right okay

SPEAKER_277: so brave browser you know most my favorite browser i love it okay excellent okay so dave in their nightly build you have to get their nightly build okay um you know just you download

SPEAKER_24: the browser you do your regular thing oh you know i'm trying to learn about the queen's gamut i'm gonna go to the wikipedia article yeah you know what like screw it i can't be bothered reading it

SPEAKER_23: you just go right here you click on this thing called leo you say summarize this page and boom

SPEAKER_24: beautiful right yeah and you know like i could be uh you know in tech meme today and oh you know what i can't be bothered to read about what happened at open ai day but like you know i really trust

SPEAKER_376: just give me the short summary of that page yeah look at that fascinating fantastic right yeah

SPEAKER_90: so this is a great feature and then i think it should do this for bookmarks okay so i would say this summary should summarize and bookmark and put into my knowledge base which is to say

SPEAKER_01: um what i would actually like this to do is i would like brave to take every page i browse you can do these things and organize them right okay so instead of doing this i want brave and this would be a paid feature i'd pay 10 bucks a month for okay every single page instead of having a history

SPEAKER_00: build a summary of the page give me a picture of the page and build me a knowledge base and categorize it so then i can say i would you know i surfed a page okay i remember there was a story about corvettes being converted into evs and it would be like boom yes here's the story you read on this date yeah and here are other stories related to it boom that would be a killer feature right so this idea of like

SPEAKER_74: um your history your browser history becoming an ai a language model into itself that could be killer

SPEAKER_18: yeah integrated into everywhere you've surfed and then we always have those moments like oh man where

SPEAKER_389: was that then you're searching like crazy and you can't quite find it and it was one particular article

SPEAKER_90: that you got through to some link and then suggest things to me based upon what i've done you know you see i'm going and looking at nicks you see me looking at recipes for breakfast foods okay you know i'm you know i dig my brunch you know i dig my next give me my next thing love it so i give this i give this a solid b okay um this is something we all want built into a browser and it shows incredible potential of you know browser plus ai i think they should keep pulling the string and see where this leads them

SPEAKER_26: yeah and you can see here from the you know oh and you can get different tasks you can up you know kind of upsell into more advanced models and conversations about the page so not just summary yeah but like conversations generation and so this is a great place for them to put those features in so it's a great monetization as you would say lots of monetization here lots of monetization all right

SPEAKER_112: yeah okay uh yeah you didn't give a grade what are you giving me i give these guys a b2 i think this

SPEAKER_23: is great it's a good start you know i use kind of brave not as my main browser because we're you

SPEAKER_24: know i use google workspaces for everything but i think this for my browsing browser i may move all

SPEAKER_45: the activity over here now so i'm very excited you can do it with one click by the way it moves

SPEAKER_90: everything over because it's based on chromium yeah and so but the other thing that happens with the brave browser is because they get rid of all the fakaka you know all the cookies and ads and

SPEAKER_121: popovers it's incredible in terms of the speed to load pages and also when you have pages that are just too heavy that have all kinds of crazy pops it doesn't take over your browser now i know that's

SPEAKER_297: only like one out of 50 pages you might go to yeah but it really does speed up your uh browsing and

SPEAKER_243: when you're that also i would check out the brave mobile browser yeah uh not to make this a commercial

SPEAKER_401: for brave uh but shout out to my friends at brave yeah because when you're on mobile and you're on a

SPEAKER_121: really crummy connection like all that stuff is like 50 of the page is stuff you don't need oh now it's

SPEAKER_404: really bad it's really bad some people are like you go to the new york post or drudge or some of these

SPEAKER_89: pages it's just like i don't know how many cookies are going on it like uh like first a cookie box and

SPEAKER_23: then you gotta sometimes an ad is like yeah i gotta x things out it's just it's too much so when you're

SPEAKER_148: using it on mobile you really can see how dramatically faster it is okay oh i'm gonna give that a try

SPEAKER_24: yeah it's pretty great okay and let's go to our last one which is i know you're a big fan of these folks as well zapier makes you happier i love zapier exactly and so um you know i i didn't do the end to end demo here as well because you know the team doesn't sometimes like it when i integrate things into our slack so i don't always get the full freedom but um here you can see how straightforward it is now as i can say when i get an email from michael gerton send me a slack message yeah and you and

SPEAKER_103: i were having a kind of a group chat conversation this this weekend about like hey when certain emails

SPEAKER_24: come in you should put it into a slack channel so you can talk about it so they're just making this

SPEAKER_33: i was speaking specifically about expenses i won't say whose discussion this was but yeah i have a

SPEAKER_74: channel for expenses so when producer nick or presh or somebody on the team expenses something i and

SPEAKER_00: the accountants or whatever see it in real time from i don't know which card it is but whatever card we use it it zips it over into slack and i see it now what's interesting is i'll see things and

SPEAKER_47: i'm like oh we're paying for that i didn't know that i might want to use that or what is this thing

SPEAKER_00: i don't even know what that's about so i can just reply to the twitter threat to the slack thread what is this then imagine fraud imagine somebody were stealing money or using the corporate card in the wrong way you could be like hey who went to miller and lux and a warriors game and they'd be like

SPEAKER_245: that was you jake allen and be like okay that's a lot but if it was somebody else i'd be like what's

SPEAKER_421: going on here you know yeah i'm not i haven't been to warriors game in three months what's going

SPEAKER_24: on here right yeah i know let's go yeah but so you know the idea you know these things were you know look zapier had always done a good job of making these things like pretty easy i think it's now at the you know lowest barrier like you just come in here type in what you want it then creates it for you and then you just kind of go through their their their usual builder to to connect it to all your services to make it happen right and so they couldn't have made it easier i think they've done an incredible job yeah and there's no reason you should not be using this service now yeah so when

SPEAKER_121: you previously did this you had to do if that this then that booleans and you had to like do each

SPEAKER_01: thing it was a little bit i don't want to say it's complicated but yeah i think you know the bottom 50 of your company it you're depending on how tech savvy they are like at a small business i would

SPEAKER_47: say the bottom 50 would struggle with this the top 20 would do it easily and 30 would take him you know 15 minutes to figure it out they'd have to watch a video right this is just going to make automation a

SPEAKER_74: lot simpler yep if you can do it in natural language so this is another example of making things easier for civilians to be really good at technical tasks yes so it falls into the whole thing we did with um you know uh the code interpreter which is another terrible name whoever's doing the branding

SPEAKER_00: at opening ai just call me i'll tell you what the call things they shouldn't call it code interpreter they should call it data scientist that's it oh that well they changed the name like twice they called it

SPEAKER_26: code interpreter then it was advanced data analytics and then today they called it code interpreter again

SPEAKER_00: just call it analyst data and i like data analyst or data you know something like that but anyway the point is uh making things easier to use so if everybody could be a good writer today with ai that's great success everybody could become good at scripting and doing zapier that's amazing if everybody

SPEAKER_58: could do basic ux design if everybody could do basic music composure the entire society will go from

SPEAKER_00: being neophytes to good yeah so like you you no longer have to suck like 80 percent of people suck at everything now everybody's going to be good at everything and then they'll just be some people who are elite but we won't have this like elite and suck yeah just everybody will be okay sort of the mobile

SPEAKER_277: phone did that for everyone too like i don't know if you're you know once everyone got on the smartphones

SPEAKER_23: well look once everyone got on smartphones we had that same like you know people used to struggle

SPEAKER_24: with directions right yeah yeah right think about like and even when you had online maps you still have to go to you know map quest and print it out and do that like now it was an equalizer

SPEAKER_23: exactly but now if you run into any person that like can't get directions right like you don't even

SPEAKER_200: think about it anymore yeah the idea that you would be lost it's an edge case being lost like if you're

SPEAKER_218: lost it's because you're in a third world country or even then right like yeah it would be even hard

SPEAKER_01: because you would have the gps location or your phone died that's actually the reason yeah the fear

SPEAKER_45: of the phone dying yeah um all right i give this um gosh it's either a b plus or an a minus for me

SPEAKER_33: because it's a it's a new the vision is great i'm gonna get i'm gonna go ahead and go b plus i'm

SPEAKER_24: gonna go b plus i'm at a minus i think it's like the one yeah the one the one thing i was gonna hold back like you know the one thing to help people back is like that if then else kind of you know

SPEAKER_23: scenario or ifft right and it's just simplified now you don't have to do you specifically tell it hey when i get an email from this person send me a slack message yes it walks you through the configuration and that's gonna really make things a lot more productive for folks you can use it outside of work use cases as well and i'm very excited by it the simplicity of it fantastic and

SPEAKER_148: you know that zapier has all kinds of really interesting things like they have type form linkedin

SPEAKER_33: instagram yeah uh you you can do all kinds of crazy things yeah i'll actually just go back and let me

SPEAKER_450: just pull that back up i might have lost it here oh yeah here it is uh i might have lost here they

SPEAKER_187: have some producer do you use zapier at all or no do you have any zap set up right now producer no no so why don't you go ahead and um do this for the show here's some of the examples well yeah see

SPEAKER_01: if you can do some of these nick for the show where when i think we i think i set this up long

SPEAKER_00: ago when it when we publish a youtube video it goes to a slack room like that's set up right you don't

SPEAKER_283: have that is set up yeah okay i thought you meant do we have any in terms of like booking the show not

SPEAKER_00: with like no what i would like to do is when the show publishes to automatically do the tweet do a linkedin you know whatever do an instagram i don't know what's possible of like just automatically when it goes up on youtube have an automated publish colon boom because then if we forget it's

SPEAKER_283: okay we just at least got that out right yeah the problem is when you're uploading to youtube you have to go through i mean sorry when you're uploading to twitter you have to actually upload the file

SPEAKER_245: manually it doesn't do it i would still do that but i'm saying like have zapier at least when the youtube video goes up do a tweet do a linkedin doesn't have to be the full thing it's just like

SPEAKER_457: a little quick signal that it's up and running you can still do the fuller one yeah uh twitter not

SPEAKER_01: currently supported yeah i think that was when you're here oh it's twitter sorry twitter yes you got telegram so they are trying to figure out my understanding with the twitter situation is remember

SPEAKER_245: elon said you have to pay in order to have access to the api i think zapier maybe hasn't paid or doesn't

SPEAKER_89: want to pay i don't know what the situation is um i think like the the min price is quite a lot it's a good you know 50 grand a month or something something like yeah they don't have that does it

SPEAKER_463: do it to linkedin because i think the last time i tried it was linkedin it wasn't working there either

SPEAKER_465: some of the uh social networks were getting annoyed that people were doing too much of this

SPEAKER_90: automated posting so i think that it was frowned upon by some folks um but yeah look you're saying

SPEAKER_121: when this week in startups publishes on youtube send a post on to the this week in startups

SPEAKER_154: so we can't yeah yeah i just was copying and pasting so i got the text wrong yeah it looks like it does linkedin yeah yeah so it's great we have to connect it great awesome all right yeah i'm gonna

SPEAKER_74: go b plus pretty great okay awesome all right well what a great day uh and then uh next week we'll

SPEAKER_217: do grok because i got access to grok you got okay did you get access yet or no yeah i just got it

SPEAKER_90: when we were sitting here so yeah so i just got it um it's uh pretty solid at first glance yeah i would say it feels like it's maybe six months behind something to that kind of what's crazy is look

SPEAKER_217: they did it in like you know less than 90 days which so that's impressive yeah yes and it has the

SPEAKER_74: entire twitter corpus so i think what my gut's telling me because i did some searches okay i think for real time it's going to be the best real time ever made okay because you'll be able to do something

SPEAKER_01: like uh tell me about uh lakers game tonight yeah and it'll be like yes you know lebron uh had an rolled his ankle and left at this time you know anthony davis had 40 points and this person turned the ball over seven times so you'll get like that in real time okay it'd be really interesting and

SPEAKER_90: then also it let you have multiple chat windows open at once yeah i saw that and which was kind of

SPEAKER_00: cool and then you can also see the branch yeah yeah yeah explain people what the branch thing

SPEAKER_23: conceptually that is get with an example please well um yeah we will do it like live next week but i think the you know the concept is you start a chat and then you want to basically keep that main chat going and you want to take you know you want to branch off that chat because you have like sort of

SPEAKER_24: another idea so let's just say you're talking about um you know this week's basketball game and it's it's going you know you're having some back and forth but then you're like oh i want to you know talk a little bit more about lebron because i'm curious about x y and z you can kind of jump out from there into a chat related related to lebron that's that's the concept that they're going after which i think is a unique ui concept they have some definitely really different ui concepts

SPEAKER_01: which i think is good for this chat era it's also a little bit rebellious so i think they're going for

SPEAKER_33: a little bit like cheeky and so i had a rebellious mode it was kind of being funny the whole time

David Friedberg: yeah um which was fun you know like i think it's gonna have a playful nature to it and listen elon

SPEAKER_01: entering the race with you know all these other players is only gonna up everybody's game well that

SPEAKER_89: and he's gonna push people to go even fast i mean we're already going super fast right but now

SPEAKER_23: i think um i'm very i i think overall for the ecosystem it's good to show that in less than you

SPEAKER_24: know kind of 90 days and you can only spend so much money in that amount of time as well that they were able to pull this off and that's gonna you know force people to reset like think about what you got to be thinking if you're at google right now and they they haven't even released you know

SPEAKER_45: sort of their latest and greatest yet so it's gonna i think sundar could take um a note which is if you saw sam out there today with satya nadella you need to get out there and start having

SPEAKER_90: the leads of every single division google flights gmail docs youtube every leader on january 15th needs to get out there and do the do their demo of what they accomplished and if you didn't accomplish anything then maybe somebody else needs to run youtube maybe somebody else needs to run gmail

SPEAKER_121: that or somebody else needs to run chrome like the fact that brave is releasing stuff and chrome isn't

SPEAKER_24: yeah tells you or even even the email thing like that should be in gmail right no you know like kind of maybe they should just go buy mindy or something but like that's the yeah i mean they

Chamath Palihapitiya: just need to keep up and i think this is where like it's a great organizational case study yeah how

SPEAKER_45: paranoid uh sundar is about this is going to speak volumes he should be super paranoid and i would be

SPEAKER_33: lighting a fire on every division head uh under their under their feet like let's go we're going

SPEAKER_01: to do a demo every single google product is going to demo their ai stuff on january 15th good luck

SPEAKER_74: hundred days and counting or i would just tell everybody like a hundred days from now we're doing this yeah you're going to have to demo what's new on youtube you know that's like six pretty much yeah

SPEAKER_187: jan 15th you know that's 100 days from 100 days right whatever it is like it's uh let's see it's november december january february wait december january february february yeah like march 1st

SPEAKER_01: we're going out there for south by southwest it's on let's go rock and roll the end okay there's been

SPEAKER_74: another amazing episode of this week in startups with sandeep mandra from definitive intelligence

SPEAKER_01: uh if your company needs help with ai he's your guy yep uh he's sundip on twitter right you have the

SPEAKER_45: first name club there you go i'm the first name club all right follow at sundip and we'll see you all next time on this week in startups