SPEAKER_01: i've been reading a whole bunch about this company outlier outlier is one of many companies that's

SPEAKER_00: providing these kind of services like a human editor to aid in training your ai model and here's

SPEAKER_03: the great news if you are a worker at google or you're a worker at facebook or you're a worker for

SPEAKER_04: our government you can collect that paycheck while doing this in your office now i'm going to send

SPEAKER_07: you back to the office when you get back to your office don't tell elon don't tell elon this is

SPEAKER_04: why overwork or overemployed is such a phenomenon i guarantee you people are doing these while they're ostensibly working at other places i know i've got a window open right now i've been doing this the whole show oh fantastic great well double dipping here we go this week in startups is brought

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SPEAKER_22: and tick tock is next on my itinerary we're gonna get over there and start posting there because you know i'm 46 years old i gotta be on tick tock right that's where that's where all the middle-aged

SPEAKER_26: divorce guy energy uh people are going yeah i mean it's so addicting everybody's there i want to start

SPEAKER_17: doing some videos just for tick tock in the coming weeks something i've been wanting to do and i think i've got to do reaction videos because i noticed there are so many great videos even historical ones of people who've been on the program or me interacting with famous people it might be fun to go through some of the things i said and i like these videos where people do reaction videos

SPEAKER_00: or they talk play the video talk yeah you got your head in the corner commenting on what people

SPEAKER_17: are watching that's that's classic tick tock yeah so i want to learn that genre as it were um speaking of genres uh today would have been steve jobs 70th birthday i believe yeah i'm pretty

SPEAKER_37: sure it's 70 because i saw that tim cook did a a nice little tribute on x you are right 1955 he was

SPEAKER_41: born february 24th 1955 well 20 years ago uh when i was doing uh in gadget uh and the company weblogs

SPEAKER_04: inc autoblog joystick we were real pioneers in podcasting and blogging back then i wound up selling that company to aol 18 months after i started it was a big part of my success in those early years and i would go to a conference that uh walt mossberg and karen swisher would host called all things digital all things d and uh this is from 2005 when i had started uh first started doing podcasting i did

SPEAKER_17: a calacanis cast which eventually became this program this week in startups and we did a podcast for autoblog which were two of the first five to ten podcasts ever shout out to dave weiner who created rss and the podcasting technology along with the podfather adam curry two legends who don't get

SPEAKER_47: enough credit uh but let's play the clip here and lon you can give your thoughts after here we go

SPEAKER_51: uh steve there's a thousand bloggers at microsoft and uh bloggers that people at apple i understand are not allowed to blog and you don't blog i'm saying employees why is that well i i don't blog

SPEAKER_54: for the same reason that i i read bill describing why he doesn't blog it's a pretty time-consuming thing and once you start you kind of feel like it's one more bill gates in the audience uh 50 year old bill gates yeah but in terms of uh of of blogging at at apple you know again we have a lot of secret stuff going on and and uh it's it's uh one of those things where we'd really rather not have to to have some of our employees spreading that around and not have to get upset with people who you know made a bad judgment about what to put in their blog and what not to put in their blog

SPEAKER_63: okay so pause there for context here i was running the blog company at microsoft and a guy named robert

SPEAKER_64: scoble had uh infiltrated he was working at microsoft he created he took the blog platforms that were already out there and he just said everybody at microsoft start writing about what you're doing and he would run around microsoft with a camera and make short videos and talk to them i don't know what's going on with my haircut there but i'm obviously uh weigh a little bit more than i do now

SPEAKER_65: that's like a really interesting it's not even a mullet what is that it's like half everything the same

SPEAKER_21: lengths it's almost like you've got you're doing like a little pompadour thing you've got like this

SPEAKER_66: little flip in the front but it's it's instead of going up a little it's down i don't know what

SPEAKER_68: that's called i don't know what this is called i think it's called like super cuts maybe i was

SPEAKER_35: on a budget you gotta remember i was kind of broke back then i met you about two years after this and this was not your look anymore you had a totally different look by that no i mean this is like

SPEAKER_17: preppy uh brooklyn jcal yeah and i don't know what's going on with the collar of that shirt is a little bit off but anyway putting aside my aesthetics you've had a glow up since a little

SPEAKER_04: mini glow up since then for sure but the blogging thing was an interesting question because blogging had become this radical medium we take it for granted now that anybody would publish but back in that day everything you said as a technology company was interpreted through the media right

SPEAKER_17: sure yeah if you were releasing a new product and this is why this wall street journal d conference and ruper murdoch owned this conference i think he paid uh karen swisher and walt mossberg 500 000 to a

SPEAKER_64: million dollars a year to host it which was very controversial at the time but it made you know 10

SPEAKER_75: million bucks the tickets were i don't know at that time probably three thousand four thousand dollars i couldn't afford it but i got a journalist pass well you're rubbing elbows with bill gates he's sitting

SPEAKER_17: i mean it was pretty pretty cool all of those people um who were doing stuff at that time were being interpreted by the wall street journal so if bill gates came out with a new product there

SPEAKER_03: was no youtube at the time i think youtube had just launched but it wasn't like it is today twitter

SPEAKER_80: wasn't launched the iphone was launched uh right in 2005 was the iphone launch no not yet no iphone yet

SPEAKER_03: right wow so that really dates this 2007 that was 2007 right so shortly he did that and podcasting

SPEAKER_04: had just come out and this event was a seminal moment because adam curry was there and he had negotiated with steve jobs to in itunes and itunes is where you bought music to allow you to go to itunes and add an rss feed like you take the url of somebody's podcast and put it in there and then it would put on your ipod which was a music player from back then an album that said podcast and you could

SPEAKER_17: subscribe to podcast and it would show up on your ipod it would download it when you synced your ipod because ipods didn't have an internet connection and back then we were using i guess like whatever

SPEAKER_04: the precursor to 3g was like very low data you couldn't download over data audio or video at that time on a mobile phone and the mobile phone you would have been using would have been in nokia so no bueno on an mp3 but you would download them and the next day you would listen to these podcasts and i had

SPEAKER_17: a couple of them as i said so i was going to ask him next i had a two-part question one was why don't you blog the second question i was going to ask him is would he allow us to sell our podcast for a dollar and create a revenue stream because i was desperately trying to figure out how to make money

SPEAKER_47: off these things and let's play the second part of the clip will you be able to add any rss feed

SPEAKER_51: to the or any podcasts rss feed to itunes or is it only through the store oh you'll be able

SPEAKER_54: to add anything you want completely open we're just working with the open standards out there yeah and

SPEAKER_51: will you uh help companies like ours uh sell podcasts you know be an audible so if we wanted to sell a podcast through your service would you uh help us do the fulfillment um you know we're

SPEAKER_54: planning on having all the podcasts be free at first but uh zing me an email with what you've got in mind and we're open to anything same email i always send it to you yep okay

SPEAKER_67: so big laugh it's always nice to get a big laugh from a crowd like that that's a good feeling

SPEAKER_41: i mean people think like uh me making jokes and being witty is like a new thing i've been doing this my whole life but the funny part about that was i knew i was telling a joke in the moment

SPEAKER_04: but i did have steve's email and we would trade emails sure uh because of engadget he read engadget and he would tell me if we got something wrong and uh he's just such a giant i miss him so much

SPEAKER_102: um i didn't have a personal relationship with him but i met him a dozen times i was in like press junkets with him you know one on one a couple of times uh i had conversations with him squarespace

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SPEAKER_00: i was one of those people when steve jobs died where i was a little skeptical on the globe shifting genius stuff it's like you know i mean i always think of these things as these companies are teams this is these are collaborative anytime anybody's like this one guy is the genius you're i'm always a little cynical on that like well they were in charge of this huge group of innovative people and they all came together to make the iphone but if you look at apple post steve jobs it's clear that something has fundamentally changed i think going back hindsight being what it is he was obviously bringing a level of whatever well creativity or you know like ambition whatever it was that apple is not the same without him as with him so i think that like his legacy has been cemented over the last few years of apple coming out with various technologies that are not as globe shifting as the iphone uh exactly

SPEAKER_04: correct steve jobs put tim cook in charge and it was a controversial move because tim cook isn't

SPEAKER_03: like a creative force visionary and i think he would admit that you know obviously not comparable to steve jobs nobody is no but he was the supply chain guy so what did we see since steve's passing

SPEAKER_119: how many years has it been since steve passed my gosh it's got to be 10 years now he died in 2011

SPEAKER_21: so yeah close to 15 years unbelievable and it's just such a presence that's missing he was at that

SPEAKER_03: time kind of like elon in terms of his presence everywhere and you know the attention he got bill gates always kind of like second fiddle to him because steve's aesthetics his products were so much

SPEAKER_04: better at the time than microsoft's microsoft had more products microsoft had more revenue at the time

SPEAKER_00: he was always that archetypal like coder developer nerd like he was the guy behind the scenes writing the code but steve jobs was that like the creative artistic visionary where he wasn't just building products that worked right he was thinking about the future and like what does what's everybody going to be doing in 10 15 20 years and so i think it is a different kind of idea i wonder now that the steve

David Friedberg: jobs roadmap the one of the last things he was working on was like tv and solving the tv problem

SPEAKER_17: sure which apple tv was set to do which was to just let you do a search with siri for anything on your apple tv and not worry about where it lived and just give you you know that kind of thing but he was he missed the ai wave i wonder what steve jobs would be doing right now during this period of time with ai and i can tell you it would not have been like memoji ai or handing it off to open ai i mean

SPEAKER_19: he would have been in the thick of this i think that's the you know steve jobs his vision it was

SPEAKER_00: always the walled garden we're gonna we're gonna create our own bespoke version of this technology that just works intuitively and you don't have to worry about all the you know setting it up or the complexities it's going to be a perfectly smooth experience so i think very different from how we're seeing ai develop now where things are leaning towards open source and it's all these different tools and products that you can sort of mix and match on your own i think apple would have had a much more like here's apple ai here's the suite of products and it's all our it's all in-house in our

SPEAKER_131: system it doesn't interact with everybody else's whatnot all right speaking of apple big news today

SPEAKER_04: um and this goes to the make america uh independent again i would say innovative again whatever you're

SPEAKER_17: yeah resilient again manufacturing mama make america manufacturers again mama okay that'll be one of

SPEAKER_04: our trends here apple has announced plans to spend 500 billion dollars hire 20 000 people in the u.s over the next four years to build ai servers company said it was his largest spend commitment ever ever

SPEAKER_141: on anything ever it's a 250 000 square foot factory they're putting in north of houston in texas

SPEAKER_00: that's going to be a foxconn plant uh for assembling advanced servers now of course foxconn the taiwanese company famous or infamous depending on your uh perspective for assembling iphones overseas in particularly chinese factories the working conditions in foxconn factories in china a long-standing issue for apple uh foxconn already has ai servers operating in mexico so they're gonna move some over here it's part of an elaborate plan to avoid potential trump tariffs rather than bringing in all of these servers from elsewhere they're gonna make them right here in the us so they don't have to pay the 20 plus premiums foxconn also planning data centers in arizona iowa nevada north carolina oregon elsewhere maybe and it is important to bear in mind just for clarity the servers are going to be assembled in the us some of the parts like the chips and other advanced components they're still going to import from elsewhere to then assemble the servers within the us this is a tough thing

SPEAKER_41: here because uh 500 billion dollars in servers uh in a data center is a curious thing to happen here

SPEAKER_17: because they don't have their own language model so i am confused what is the point of these 500 billion and this giant data center they are going to put what servers or gpus in here are

SPEAKER_04: these going to be nvidia servers um are these going to be you know some new service it's it's very unclear and then what would this giant you know data center actually do is it going to be competitive

SPEAKER_17: with colossus by grok and elon musk is it going to be competitive with sam altman's open ai and what

SPEAKER_04: they're building or you know i have my own theory apple has not been in the data center race and doesn't have a cloud computing offering like aws or azure for microsoft or google cloud or oracle's cloud right so you get these four giant clouds if you're an entrepreneur you're a startup you can go um you know instead of standing up your own server sheet just rent them right and and people can move between

SPEAKER_17: them really well it's awesome and apple doesn't have one what if apple did have one and then if you

SPEAKER_04: were an app developer it was somehow deeply integrated into the app store and if you were a media company you somehow could leverage it as well this could be very interesting it would be a totally new revenue source now they would be the last person to the party right obviously but they do have this advantage and they have a huge developer community making apps right so if they made it you know free for apps or a hundred dollars a month for apps that are you know have x number of users i think they could get a lot of that business and then they could do deep integrations into the phone it would

SPEAKER_17: be trusted so maybe that's what they're planning here the new york times does say these servers are

SPEAKER_00: going to contain chips made by the taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company uh or you know tsmc one of the world's biggest suppliers of these so they're going to be the chips are going to be made in taiwan

SPEAKER_131: uh and by the dutch company asml interesting stuff because you know tsmc actually makes nvidia's

SPEAKER_17: right nvidia correct does the architecture of them the actual assembly is being done there so i wonder if this means apple is going to be making their own ai chips i don't know if they already do that but you know it's kind of interesting what we're seeing here with president trump he wants to

SPEAKER_04: do on shoring um that's a big focus and and he's very you know interested in maybe becoming independent

SPEAKER_17: of tsmc and china and having our own supply chain this doesn't solve that problem if tsmc is making them but tsmc is making fabs here in the united states so this feels to me like the decoupling from china which is a huge priority yes who is the biggest manufacturer biggest american company involved

SPEAKER_66: with china it's apple right and this does tie directly in biden last year before leaving office

SPEAKER_00: awarded tsmc 6.6 billion in grants to build more chips here uh some of those chips are already being assembled in a plant in arizona so you're absolutely correct this is part of decoupling all of this as best we can from china and bringing that manufacturing over here nailing product market

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SPEAKER_153: i wonder geopolitically if this means i hate to get big picture here but zooming out i think this means

SPEAKER_04: that china is going to invade taiwan and we're not going to defend taiwan and we're in a race to get taiwan uh semiconductor on short here in the event that happens now hopefully it doesn't happen but i think you know everything i hear from people on the inside is that we are um yeah in big picture

SPEAKER_00: geopolitical terms trump's very anti the idea of america being the global cop the the everybody's protector having all of our fingers in all of these different pies and that was an increasingly big topic during the biden years was you know china's ramping up militarily in the south china sea there definitely are increasing hints that you know g wants taiwan back and just like uh putin wanted crimea and ukraine back g wants taiwan back uh and so yeah i mean i think u.s foreign policy for the last several decades has been we're taiwan's ally if china invades taiwan we're gonna back taiwan and you know the soup the semiconductor industry being in taiwan was only an added inducement we have to defend taiwan at all costs i think president trump sees things very differently than that he doesn't want to be on the hook to fight china in the event that she goes after taiwan so right so big

SPEAKER_160: picture it's almost like he's trying to prevent that i feel like trump is trying to force a multipolar world

SPEAKER_04: where we're independent isolated if china wants to you know have some adventures in that area and take over taiwan so be it if russia wants to you know do things on their border that's up to the eu to defend it but the united states is going to focus on the north american continent yeah i mean you could

SPEAKER_00: hear it explicitly when jd vance is attacking you know globalism this is what he's this is exactly what he's talking about this idea that all of the allied countries of the world are a united front against all the evildoers of the world and that's just how america has viewed the world since really since

SPEAKER_17: the end of world war ii the cold war it's fascinating too because it's a very democratic position to not

SPEAKER_166: be the world cop you know well i mean if you went back to when i was like in high school in the 90s of

SPEAKER_00: course it was very progressive liberal like why are we intervening in all of these other countries business that's their business and it's just economic colonialism and we should get out of you know all of these other countries and now because it's president trump doing it in a lot of ways it's you sort of flipped and democrats hate the idea i've been reading a whole bunch about

SPEAKER_03: this company outlier and it is a training data company now what is training data as you know all

SPEAKER_04: these ai models are slurping up data off the open web they used an open web crawler this open web project they did it without getting permission that's why the new york times is in a lawsuit and countless other people's you put that against the backdrop of well how do we get more information into these systems there was a really interesting product that captured everybody's imagination 20 years ago called mechanical turk there was some sarasaurus which was doing tagging of like images and data entry there's business process outsourcing in the philippines and india that's always occurred where westlaw and lexus nexus would take legal documents when they were faxed you know back in the day and they were print and they would literally type them in and do data entry well now we're entering a new

SPEAKER_17: phase which is finding subject matter experts and then having them do queries look at the results and fix the results and i think they're actually going and putting primary data into these based on each vertical why is this important getting sued could cost you hundreds of millions of dollars billions of dollars you could get an injunction against you and so there is an opportunity here for startups to take subject matter experts humans have them go find information on the web and have them type in

SPEAKER_64: now they could be stealing the information as well but because they are a little bridge with this outsource company it doesn't matter because open ai let's say or you know some other language model anthropic could hire this company and i don't know the details but they could hire a third party and these third party data providers exist everywhere who knows how they're getting the information they

SPEAKER_17: could be scraping they could be writing it in they could get subject matter experts all different ways to

SPEAKER_04: do it and then they buy that from them that company indemnifies the company they just bought the data from them if there was ever a problem it's at arm's length the same thing was done to seed social networks people hired third parties to put content onto social networks another way of saying paying people to go rip videos from other sources put it on there there was a very interesting angle to this story

SPEAKER_120: about journalists so basically uh outlier is one of many companies that's providing these kind of services

SPEAKER_00: like a human editor to aid in training your ai model and a lot of those jobs are going to former journalists people who are at risk or have already lost their job to ai are now helping to improve and fine-tune the ai systems that uh you know are putting them out of work journalism jobs in 2024 2025 increasingly hard to come by the news industry cut around 5000 jobs just last year that's a 49 percent spike from 2023 the year before and these outlier type ai training jobs they're fully remote they're consistent whenever you want to work you can do them full-time you can do them part-time they pay 35 an hour or more you can see why as a freelance writer this is a perfect fill-in supplemental gig for me i can if i only have 25 hours of writing work to do this week another 15 20 helping to edit ai systems well now i'm full-time employed so far i i totally appreciate what you're saying that you could use these to actually build the training data for your models so far what outlier is doing mostly is having them sort of fine-tune the results so they're fact checking they're looking for hallucinations and if there are hallucinations they're reporting them and correcting them and they're even noting when they get responses from chatbots that pull from inaccurate or less than ideal sources so if it sees oh the chatbot's relying too much on blogs or personal writings or op-eds or social media posts that aren't verified we should refocus it to more verifiable reliable sources so one thing i thought was interesting if you think about it it's basically the work a human editor used to do for a human writer check your sources make sure your facts are right if something doesn't sound fix your grammar or something doesn't sound right so that it's that's that job has really not changed you're just helping a chatbot get better at writing instead of a you know a green reporter who's just starting out uh outliers owned by sf's uh scale ai the company's valued at 13.8 billion dollars uh their customers so

SPEAKER_141: far include open ai meta and microsoft so these okay these journalists are feeding the biggest you

SPEAKER_04: know they're working for chat gpt basically this is a good use of funds if your company is worth a couple hundred billion and you're raising 10 billion i mean 35 an hour you know if you were to do a million hours of work would be 35 million if you did uh 10 million hours of work would only be 350 million 10

SPEAKER_181: million hours of work i think you could recreate the corpus of everything in the world that's a lot

SPEAKER_22: of time yeah so this process is called reinforcement learning with human feedback rlh yes and it's

SPEAKER_65: outlier.ai we should definitely get the ceo on the program sure but it's interesting that they're going

SPEAKER_185: after journalists and this is the point new work is always created here it is new work is being created yeah and i bet you that this work pays better and that was good man i i've definitely got i've definitely

SPEAKER_66: had writing jobs that did not pay 35 an hour like not even that long ago if it was for work from home

SPEAKER_160: as well it's a seventy thousand dollar a year job you know just times it by two thousand that's

SPEAKER_141: incredible job for work from home yeah think about it you you just log in when you're ready to work and because it's not it you know they've always got plenty to do so you just log in yeah here's your

SPEAKER_97: day's assignment okay i did my eight hours i'm done i worked and here's the great news if you are a

SPEAKER_04: worker at google or you're a worker at facebook or you're a worker for our government you can collect that paycheck while doing this in your office they're going to send you back to the office

SPEAKER_06: when you get back to your office don't tell elon don't tell you but no this is the this is why

David Friedberg: overwork or over employed is such a phenomenon i guarantee you people are doing these while they're

SPEAKER_04: ostensibly working at other places i know it's open right now i've been doing this the whole show oh

SPEAKER_11: fantastic great well double dipping here we go we'll be in an office soon in the studio so i'll

SPEAKER_202: be over your shoulder and you'll be noticing 2025 is going to be the year that voice ai really breaks

SPEAKER_207: out voice ai is going to change everything and this technology is perfect for building a chatbot or automating customer calls and basically creating these next-gen voice experiences but building with these tools is so difficult it's just a bear it's going to take your developers months to build and test anything even basic unless you use vapi v-a-p-i this is the fastest and easiest way to integrate voice into your products it's just the most simple api you've ever used it helps you build test and deploy voice agents in just minutes and you can create ultra realistic ai voices and customizable personalities i like that part all with real-time response beats you know it'd be great maybe i just

SPEAKER_211: demo it okay listen to this hey jason it's great to be on your podcast oh okay great are you interested in being the co-host of the podcast i mean i'd love to just imagine the banter ai and humans the

SPEAKER_210: ultimate duo but i think i'll stick to helping out uh with bobby for now all right what's up in the

SPEAKER_04: startup world today you know we have so many things going on in the startup world including ai so i'm

SPEAKER_215: wondering if you have any tips for founders on how to create great ai experiences totally i mean first

SPEAKER_210: off keep it simple focus on solving real problems for users then make sure it feels natural good conversation dynamics are key oh and don't forget to optimize for speed nobody likes waiting for a

SPEAKER_207: response what do you think that sounds really good to me take care and chat soon gotta say these are ready for prime time and if you want to give it a try and you can see it works now you gotta give vapi a try v-a-p-i.ai vapi.ai use the code twist 200 twist 200 to get 200 in free credits that's over a thousand minutes in calls great job to the vapi team the ad we showed there was outliers looking for

SPEAKER_17: talented accounting and tax experts to help train generative ai models and uh you need a bachelor's

SPEAKER_75: degree or higher in agriculture related subjects experience working as agriculture this is what's

SPEAKER_165: fascinating they're really they're not just looking for random freelance writers they want category

SPEAKER_00: experts expertise in very specific niches because you know they're gonna they've got so much data they've got to sift through they need somebody who's just going to focus on farming agriculture you know like interior department stuff and then i'm sure there's other people on you know nutrition and

SPEAKER_22: food like everything a newspaper would report on you know it's really fascinating stuff there's a

SPEAKER_05: ton of other people who are doing this uh appian data annotation sure scale ai the the the parent

SPEAKER_00: company of outlier is doing some of this themselves i also thought it was interesting they're looking for people in international languages they want people to do this in i dutch hindi swedish spanish and french

SPEAKER_226: now too funny joke from cecilia hack we can pull up here outlier is looking for advanced english writers

SPEAKER_141: to help train ai systems and llms when they offer to pay you to help make your journalism job become

SPEAKER_17: obsolete and in some ways it's true you know if you're an accountant and you train this and there's a hundred accountants training this and they do a really good job then maybe the ai will be doing

SPEAKER_19: those accounting jobs right yeah if they do a good enough job this can take over the the writing of

SPEAKER_229: blurbs they don't need blurb writers anymore if the ai gets good enough uh captions all that stuff and

SPEAKER_04: then you think about like pilots when i was talking to some of the jobies of the world and other uh you know uh kitty hawk which then got subsumed by some other company at the all-in summit last year one of

SPEAKER_64: them said we're just trying to make the best pilot in the world the singular best pilot in the world like sully like air airplane pilots yes like they think you're gonna fly in a plane that's that's being

SPEAKER_75: flown by a computer that is what vetoes the vertical takeoff and landing um you first well here's the

SPEAKER_146: thing it turns out actually that already 80 90 of flying is done on autopilot of course there's right i

SPEAKER_64: get that let's say the 20 that isn't is the landing in a lot of cases and the takeoff or whatever and then when you get up in the air they press the button but sometimes they press the button when

SPEAKER_04: they're landing you put it all together that last 10 or 20 percent will be figured out by ai and it will be done better just like driving and cabs will be better than your average cab driver because humans are fallible whether that happens in five years or 15 we can debate but it's happening and um i think that those rote jobs truck driver pilot and cab driver will be done better by ai uh certainly 10 times better because almost every time it's pilot error it's almost every time it's a driver error distracted driver and you still need to have some experts in the loop to take over but yeah it's going to be um pretty impressive uh when we see that happening all right all right yeah i don't i don't know i'm gonna

SPEAKER_132: wait for a few other i'm gonna wait a few years before i get into an ai uh airplane that's just

SPEAKER_241: that's just it's gonna be a process you know if you look at waymo waymo in san francisco it's pretty

SPEAKER_17: amazing when you take one but it goes slow it's jerky at times it takes weird routes you know it's

SPEAKER_19: not for everybody i tried my first waymo the last time i was in austin a few weeks ago it was open

SPEAKER_22: through the uh uh amanda and z and i took uh took a waymo uh while we were hanging out did you have

SPEAKER_98: did somebody have the invite from the waymo app it was amanda amanda our your friend amanda has what

SPEAKER_146: they're doing in austin is i think because they somebody from waymo invited me as well i have to

SPEAKER_251: click the link yeah you have to have an i've never been in one because i didn't i didn't have that so

SPEAKER_120: that's the test and it did it what was your impression of it i was very impressed it worked perfectly it at one point we made sort of a weird like three-part right hand term that was a little

SPEAKER_66: nerve-wracking but not really there was at no point did i feel in any danger at all another trend that's

SPEAKER_17: happening um that's pretty clear and i tweeted about it today we like to focus on trends is hot

SPEAKER_04: swappable llms hot swappable means you can just like i was saying with biden they were going to hot swap biden which they did you could hot swap hard drives what that meant is you could pull a hard drive out of a server plug another one in and the raid array would um just balance and redo the backups

SPEAKER_17: and you could hot swap which means you take it out the system doesn't stop running well with llms we're going to start seeing hot swappable llms and there was a tweet by aaron paris aaron p613 yeah

SPEAKER_64: from mac rumors he's a he's a mac rumors guy he tweeted this um uh because you know what they do is is really interesting they they go into the betas and they look at the code somehow right and then they find little breadcrumbs one of the breadcrumbs here is that in ios 18.4 we might see apple

SPEAKER_17: intelligence instead of just being able to launch a conversation with chat gpt by open ai they could you could pop one open with gemini um and i think gemini is a bit better than open ai right now

SPEAKER_22: and so this is interesting we're looking at down the road somewhere this is obviously not coming

SPEAKER_00: in ios 18.4 necessarily but uh we're they're laying the groundwork for maybe integrating gemini along with uh open ai's chat gpt into ios at some point nine to five max says we're probably going to see apple intelligence debut by ios 18 or 19. apple has already said they are hoping for the conversational siri model to be hereby ios 19. apple demoed its apple visual intelligence suite of products and features back in september uh but nonetheless the company may be giving users more options in terms of ai services uh there's some suggesting that maybe perplexity and even other models could get in on this over time uh barry schwartz responded to this aaron paris comment and uh suggested maybe rather than it just being gemini it could be specifically integrating google data into apple intelligence like could it be google shopping results being pulled in but not necessarily full gemini integration into ios aaron says no but did not uh decline to go further in in terms of why

SPEAKER_04: that's impossible yeah it's a different product is the answer i think that this is the next giant search

SPEAKER_17: deal and that obviously android has integrated gemini on a very deep level so i specifically bought the

SPEAKER_04: google pixel 9 fold so i could experience both the fold and experience gemini integrated into the android operating system in fact i bought you on or i asked them to buy you a pixel 9 so you could uh experience

SPEAKER_75: that as well it's on its way to me right now perfect and not the fold i guess you're the regular one the

SPEAKER_266: folds a bit much and i think it slows you down i don't need the fold i'm okay well i'll say i have

SPEAKER_64: found it really nice when i'm at a cafe or i'm on a plane i do find myself opening it up and watching a youtube video sure or uh which is very nice experience i got the macbook air though it's so

SPEAKER_22: it's it's almost like a tablet mixed with a laptop i bring it everywhere i like having three four

SPEAKER_41: screens with me at all times when i travel yeah so i bring my ipad pro which is giant i bring my macbook air i bring my google pixel fold and i bring my iphone sure and i like having the optionality of different ones for different purposes i also like you know since i'm an angel investor and all these companies being focused on that but let me pull up my um my tweet here for a second and i'll i'll just tell you what i think is going to happen here because of hot swappable llms i think

SPEAKER_04: apple will obviously let you choose which one you want to do they do that now at search right you can pick duck duck go you can pick bang so if you want to go into the settings you can pick which music app you launch by default which maps app and you know it was a lot of hand-wringing and justice department pressure and pressure from other companies causing you know apple to have to you

SPEAKER_64: know add that back in the day they didn't allow third-party media players they got pressured into putting vlc on there they didn't allow third-party browsers they got pushed to put opera and firefox and chrome on your ios and obviously you know they don't want to get caught up in uh banning other music services from iphones because that would be a bad look yeah so obviously apple is going to let you pick when you talk to siri i think you'll in your settings say chat gpt gemini grok whatever you prefer but this is going to lead to a commercial deal and uh then chat gpt and gemini uh grok and everybody flawed will all bid on it i think apple will get at the start at least a billion dollars

SPEAKER_75: annually for this wow this is big business yeah yeah and i think they'll do like a five-year deal

SPEAKER_64: uh very similar to what they did with google search right when you do uh on your phone and this was really important and this is tens of billions of dollars a year for apple and pure profit that you're that the default is google but i think this is going to determine like 10 20 points of consumer

SPEAKER_04: queries to language models in other words as great as chat gpt's lead is if they don't get this deal with apple and gemini does then google is going to have done what they did with search they locked down android

SPEAKER_17: for half the queries they locked on ios for the other half so if android uses gemini but fault they're

SPEAKER_04: already at like 50 of the queries that could come from a device and so the iphone deal is going to determine who wins the language model wars and the ai query wars in all likelihood yeah i think that

SPEAKER_00: makes uh i think that makes total sense and it's interesting how these companies are sort of battling over this same thing in so many different areas we just saw like apple and google are fighting over streaming now and who does apple tv get to be uh get to live on android devices and so just it's just

SPEAKER_22: the next front in that ever ever non-ending war of who who's allowed into whose platform and who's

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SPEAKER_04: there's a real problem with these meme coins and i think the problem is one group of people sees them as collectibles which is fine if you want to have that interpretation but how they present as i

SPEAKER_17: talked about on all in on thursday with uh collison brothers they present as stocks even if you believe they're collectibles and there are a certain number of share there are a certain number of coins they trade and they trade in some cases on platforms like robin hood coinbase etc and people

David Friedberg: share charts of them and they have a ticker symbol so it looks like a duck it quacks like a duck

SPEAKER_21: but people don't want to believe they're a duck this is what always gets me about the collectibles thing i think you're exactly right when you are a fan of a collectible and you're a collector

SPEAKER_00: it's always about the individual item you're not looking at well here's the pokemon index for this week it's about this individual card or this pack or you're looking for one item that you particularly want with you know funko's are everywhere but you want that one special funko that's worth so much and that's not what mean coins are mean coins are commodities they're stuck there i want to get a

SPEAKER_122: certain percentage of this and invest in it hoping that it goes up in value it's totally different i think

SPEAKER_04: it is but i will say that you know you can go back and forth on this if you go to you know i've been

SPEAKER_03: looking at maybe buying another uh corvette you know i had a corvette when you met me sure and uh let me just show you something here so i've been going to hagerty.com and so you know i can look at over time

SPEAKER_17: what a 19 i want to buy a 1970 to 1973 corvette these things are incredibly affordable 30 000 you know and there's other versions of it two-door convertible eight-cylinder there's engines whatever but people

SPEAKER_04: do uh look at over time how much they cost in charts and i can you know if i was paying for the

SPEAKER_176: professional thing here so i don't think you know collectibles do have a trading price right but you're

SPEAKER_305: not looking at the daily corvette market you want that actual car it's it's more than just it's

SPEAKER_17: not purely of course right exactly yes and then so i do believe nfts even though they're just digital you know there could be one of one they could be one of a hundred like there's prints anyway

SPEAKER_22: wherever this goes closer to the collectible argument it's still like you're kind of buying a receipt for the art one there were complexities but yeah uh so here's my thinking on this and here's

SPEAKER_176: what i said about malay's meme coin what malay did was he rug pulled the people who put him in office the people who voted for malay are the ones who got hurt here and when you think about leadership at its core you know the appearance of impropriety is impropriety in my mind that's the leadership standard that should be here so even being near this your sister launching it your brother launching whatever it is the taunting of his own followers you know i'm out on malay right now this is what he said the reality is if you go to the casino and lose money i mean what is the claim if you knew that it had these characteristics leaders own their mistakes they don't attack the victims you take ownership of it and the way you should judge people i think is what they do when they're given a lot of power and

SPEAKER_311: what they do when they make mistakes malay is a failure on all of those fronts it's absolutely abhorrent a lot of people say why won't you talk about the trump coin uh yeah that comes out to be all

SPEAKER_313: in on subreddit often a lot okay let me address that a few times all in is four people right one of

SPEAKER_316: them works directly for trump not so he's the crypto czar sir he's the cryptos are i because of my

SPEAKER_04: friendship with david sachs people will weaponize me to say even sachs's friend says these things and

SPEAKER_17: obviously it's uncomfortable for him i'm sure i don't know this to have me as a friend because i'm

SPEAKER_04: popping off about all kinds of topics i feel the same way about the malay coin as i do the hawk to a coin as i do the dave portnoy coin as i do about the trump and melania coins it's all the same to me

SPEAKER_17: it's all a grift the rules of the road are designed to have the people who host it do the

SPEAKER_64: transactions they get paid tons of fees on the transactions apparently and the snipers so i think

SPEAKER_322: there's like five or six different ways to rig it like every time they like there's a lot of new

SPEAKER_22: wrinkles or these people figure out even a different way to skim off the top or yes this one probably

SPEAKER_17: was one of the most egregious in terms of those respects and then maybe on the spectrum the trump coin was the least egregious because they had like a holding period for the 80 owned by trump and his family or this company yeah so you know you can go back and forth on this people are debating is the malay coin the huck to a coin the dave portnoy coin or whatever he did and this and the and the trump and the malay are they all the same no they're obviously different i think because these things

SPEAKER_04: trade the way they do that there needs to be some more thoughtfulness about them uh and you know having an accredited investor test if you want to participate in these things would be a great way to start because it would create friction if you want to trade these things you need to have taken a course and there's a lot of libertarians who are like nope i can tell you how crypto people think

SPEAKER_03: crypto people think that the people buying these are sheep and pigs you're sheep and pigs to these crypto people and they've said this to me and i've been in conversations with them they're libertarians

SPEAKER_17: they believe if you're stupid enough to buy these coins knowing it's an insider game then you are the

SPEAKER_04: sheep going to slaughter and that if you try to get really smart about it and you're a whale and you know you have made some money on it they will eventually slaughter you like a pig and there is actually a term i think it's called pig butchering or something i believe that is yeah and so they

SPEAKER_64: literally in crypto have a technique of having a woman account go find stupid guys who are getting into crypto get in their dms they then send them to exchanges that aren't real they tip them off on crypto people buy the crypto in these pig slaughtering or pig butchering scams i think pig butchering is

SPEAKER_00: the proper term it's an old term it refers to any scam where you build a trusting relationship with your victim over a long period of time the idea that you're you're fattening up the pig often in and i mean we've seen this throughout the history of you know long cons or whatever you use a fake romantic relationship so you would use a woman to hit on a man over time get him more and more trusting willing

SPEAKER_165: to put more and more money in you're fattening up the pig for slaughter essentially so you you know

SPEAKER_41: buy a couple of mean coins you make a little bit of money you make a thousand dollars you make ten

SPEAKER_17: thousand dollars you make twenty five thousand dollars and then or maybe it's one two three then they get you to put fifty thousand into the fourth coin right and then they shut the website you've been going to this whole time and trading on is a fugazi a fugazi it's not real it doesn't exist

SPEAKER_241: uh insert matthew mcconaughey here and so i think that's what these are you've seen house of games that

SPEAKER_00: that david mammoth uh movie it's great it's joe maintain you plays a con artist who teaches this author and psychiatrist like how to the nature of the business but he explains in an early scene it's called a confidence game not because you put your confidence in the con man it's because they put their confidence in you and when people are reciprocal so when a stranger trusts you and puts their confidence in you it prompts you to want to do the same you trust them you reciprocate to them that's how people get scammed the the scammer appears to put themselves out on your behalf and so you feel like oh well they they're they're helping me out i gotta help them in turn yeah so uh that's

SPEAKER_335: how i feel about it um so anyway that leads us to today's yeah tell me what i mean i don't even

SPEAKER_66: want to believe this is real it seems like it's really it was i mean it could be an elaborate hoax

SPEAKER_03: but it would be pretty elaborate let's put that disclaimer here and then i guess we're supposed to do a trigger warning about self-harm so if you're somebody who we won't get into graphic detail

SPEAKER_160: we're not going to show you too graphic detail but it's a graphic story if you've been impacted

SPEAKER_41: by self-harm or people who've committed suicide to and out of the program now so the disclaimer we're

SPEAKER_00: about to discuss a a self-harm related story so a 23 year old uh crypto trader named mr fu he he uses the real word but i'm going to say mr fu apparently shot himself while streaming live on x after he lost a final 500 in a meme coin rug pull his dying request before pulling the trigger was for his fellow traders to start a meme coin in his honor which some of them did it's called mr coin it is available for trade right now there was at least some debate in the forum after he died about whether or not this would be ethical to profit off of his suicide somebody eventually did it anyway uh there's speculation that this was a stunt gone wrong there there seems to be on the blockchain a developer sent mr fu a supply of this meme coin that was named for him before his death so they seem to be already planning for the aftermath of the shooting before it happened there have also been speculation that it might have been a russian roulette type situation because apparently the gun clicked once or twice before the fatal shot was fired so we're still lots of questions remain and like i said maybe these guys are just very very clever there's money involved maybe this is all a

SPEAKER_22: big hoax and we were falling for it but i i don't think so it seemed to be a fairly legitimate

SPEAKER_00: story from what i could tell uh the community reacted with shock horror uh people are very upset we've pulled a few tweets here of people who are devastated by what happened but other people are calling out the community for hypocrisy and being upset uh danny worldwide tweeted we cut we've seen a million coins that involve deaths and suicides from justice uh but when some random dude offs himself on stream and ask people to make a coin that's where we draw the line got it play the white knight uh but another anonymous commentary responded the meme coin industry is pure evil you know this is i think

SPEAKER_04: i think if this is real if this is real big if this is real i think what you should take away from it

SPEAKER_17: is people losing money uh who don't have it can put people into a serious sense of despair and it can

SPEAKER_04: cause extreme hardship so much extreme hardship that they might kill themselves and do something irrational and this doesn't mean that gambling shouldn't exist in the world but i can tell you

SPEAKER_17: being a you know a somewhat high stakes poker player i have played with people who should not be in games how do i know they should not be in the game because well like i don't know they're an actor or something but not like a notable actor who makes 20 million a film like a tv actor or a reality actor and i've watched people i know do not have the means to play in certain games play in certain games and um then lose and then be put on a payment program then you know all kinds of hardship you know

SPEAKER_352: their spouses leave them gambling is really dark for five percent of people or less the last time i

SPEAKER_00: went to vegas you know you gotta wait in line to get your loyalty card so when you play they can keep track of how much you're betting maybe you'll get a free meal or something yeah so right by where you wait for that is the room where you can sign up for a line of credit at the casino and so when i got there i'm like who is i i'm well ahead who's doing that nobody's doing this they just have that office there but just while i was in line 10 minutes at the venetian three or four people must have gone

SPEAKER_271: into that office all right i can explain a line of credit at the casino i i have a line

SPEAKER_03: but what it is is it's not as pernicious as you think when i go play in like the world series of poker or like some high stakes game or whatever i need to send 25k 50k there i understand because the

SPEAKER_17: buying is 10k i'm not actually getting a line of credit i'm doing wires so that same room is where you wire money in right and they will give you a line of credit at a you know whatever 10 fee or whatever and you can pay it back but yes it is a dark thing that exists and i think don't get regulation books

SPEAKER_04: no don't don't gamble on credit oh my god well i mean this is what margin is so on robin hood when you

SPEAKER_17: trade one of the criticisms um is people can trade on margin so but you have to have a certain amount of money there i believe and so they have become very and we talked to vlad about it on wednesday they become very dialed into this that some people trade stocks you know more for entertainment value just

SPEAKER_04: like i play prize picks for entertainment value i love prize picks i do it every next game i bet a

SPEAKER_17: hundred to five hundred dollars it's like nothing to me it's when i buy tickets to the knicks you know i'm spending a couple thousand dollars on those tickets because i get decent tickets you know me putting a hundred five hundred bucks in the game is nothing but it makes me more engaged in the game

SPEAKER_64: because i'm betting on individual players and props and parlays and i love it and it's just fun for me it makes the game more interactive like you're betting on the oscars yeah oh you bet on the oscars

SPEAKER_22: i mean it's not a not a not five thousand or whatever where do you bet on the oscars i've got a bunch of film writers and uh youtube guys we have an oscar pool so i'm in on that oh how do i get it on

SPEAKER_191: that i got i want to i'll email rob after this you can be in on our own what is it a hundi a person and you just pick your winner 20 bucks 20. i don't want to be involved i want to be in a thousand

SPEAKER_373: dollar pool for the oscars we're not we're film writers if you want to do a thousand dollar pool

SPEAKER_375: for the oscars let's set it up uh we'll give 10 that does sound fun oh that sounds like a little

SPEAKER_372: high stakes not on credit maybe you'll be my sharp i'll be the money you be the sharp we could get in

SPEAKER_377: there um yeah start oh you should start a like a rich guy oscar pool because i'm i'm pretty good

SPEAKER_379: yeah i would like to start a rich guy oscar pool i'm pretty good so do you want to talk about award

SPEAKER_380: season we could jump into that yeah we'll jump into that i just want to just wrapping up the main

SPEAKER_04: coin on this yeah this is what i think will happen in this administration the last administration too cold on crypto no regulation just follow the securities law that obviously doesn't work because this is a new thing in the world we've pointed out endless times that trading cards and stocks

SPEAKER_17: this is you know somewhere in between right right okay and then some coins have utility you use them you burn them to get a service online that's different than a stock or a commodity some of

SPEAKER_04: them are centralized some of them are decentralized some of them there's a controlling party that owns 80 percent of the coins i believe like maybe xrp would fall into that category where it's centrally

SPEAKER_19: controlled bitcoin not centrally controlled the problem is our government is composed of 85 year

SPEAKER_21: old people and they just they think of crypto as this monolithic thing there's a thing that was

SPEAKER_00: invented called crypto and we need to figure out what to do about it but actually crypto is just this umbrella term for a thousand different financial instruments and inventions and concepts correct

SPEAKER_381: you've got nfts you've got daos you've got meme coins i feel like every day there's a new here's

SPEAKER_00: a thing that's been built with blockchain that has elements of crypto but it's not exactly like

SPEAKER_03: bitcoin and in between the new regulation that friends of mine and the sec chair and everybody are working on that'll be just right but right now we're in a too hot period right to call with

SPEAKER_04: gary gensler too hot with no but no rules in between these administrations where people think they can run them up and then eventually i think we'll be just right and so my best advice is do not participate in this with money you can't afford to lose you know keep it to five percent of your net worth expect to lose it all so by the way what i tell people when they're angel investing in

SPEAKER_17: startups i say if you're angel investing in startups only invest money that you can afford to lose and here's a book i wrote about it it's on the shelf back here read the book it'll explain you know the power law it'll explain diversification it'll explain the time horizons called angel or you can just read the power law and understand that like i don't know 29 of 30 bets 39 of 40 bets will return no capital one will return hopefully in this portfolio theory called venture capital or angel investing will return the majority of your returns but let's talk about oscar season as we get to the end here i asked you just a quick question because um you see everything i'm assuming you've seen all the major films i've

SPEAKER_00: seen there is a best picture nominee i have not seen i'm still here from brazil it's only in theaters i

SPEAKER_22: haven't had a chance to get to a theater to see i'd really like to see it uh walter solace the guy who directed central station which is a great a great uh oscar movie from the 90s uh it's his new film okay

SPEAKER_164: i just want to point out timothy chalamet i didn't see the dylan film yet um but we'll watch it

SPEAKER_21: um it was great i really liked it yeah he does a great he does a great job and he's singing it's all him singing and playing and he's and that's not a gimmick right that's like you consider that

SPEAKER_03: performance and like you know add it to the story uh it's very impressive the way that he

SPEAKER_00: he's not it's not just like an impression like he's not just doing a dylan voice he's like evoking

SPEAKER_66: god he's channeling him yeah it's really interesting and uh he does he's he's great

SPEAKER_379: so if you compare it to ray charles what was uh the ray charles film it's just called ray with jamie

SPEAKER_402: fox that's the taylor hat so i was impressed by that is it similar in that way i think it's very

SPEAKER_00: it's similar in that way where it's not like it's not like he's just he's doing like an snl ray charles it's like he's really embodying the spirit of ray charles in this kind of interesting

SPEAKER_110: way where it's a real performance i mean and walk the line would be the other one right james mangled actually the same director as this one also directed walk the line oh okay so i enjoyed walk the line

SPEAKER_288: joaquin phoenix yeah doing um johnny and interestingly boyd holbrook plays johnny cash

SPEAKER_00: in a complete unknown so johnny cash is a character in the dylan film okay so we got the whole uh 1960s

SPEAKER_04: 70s cinematic universe but he did a pretty controversial acceptance at whatever award show was

SPEAKER_110: yesterday yeah sag the sag awards were were last night uh conclave won best ensemble conclave and

SPEAKER_00: anora are sort of duking it out for best picture right now that's most most people think it's going to be one of those two uh demi moore won the best actress award for the substance and chalamet won for his portrayal of dylan in his speech he very openly says he wants to be one of the great actors he says you know i know these are subjective awards but it's very important to me because i'm in pursuit of greatness uh and i want to be one of the greats i would normally be turned off by that

SPEAKER_18: but here is the video let's watch the video and then we'll give our comments yeah i can't downplay

SPEAKER_411: the significance of this award because it means the most to me and i know we're in a subjective business but the truth is i'm really in pursuit of greatness i know people don't usually talk like that but i want to be one of the greats i'm inspired by the greats i'm inspired by the greats here tonight i'm as inspired by daniel day lewis marlon brando and viola davis as i am by michael jordan michael phelps and i want to be up there so i'm deeply grateful to that this this doesn't signify that but it's a little more

SPEAKER_259: fuel it's a little more ammo to keep going thank you so much i think he's like still stuck in his dylan

SPEAKER_414: impersonation it's a little bit like he's still doing a voice a little bit like uh yeah you know

SPEAKER_415: know this uh i just want to say i'm very uh very uh in pursuit of excellence and i know that this is

SPEAKER_418: a subjective thing yeah it's a little bit like how he couldn't kick the the elvis voice for a little

SPEAKER_04: while yeah yeah so um that's fine with him sometimes i get stuck in an impersonation i get stuck in my

SPEAKER_98: jordan peterson now all the time when i'm at dinner i do jordan peterson with people santa canis too uh

SPEAKER_39: with the hard one to drop oh santa canis i had a hard time getting out of that one uh but my jordan

SPEAKER_423: peterson it's just you know these young men who's looking out for them i just do kermit ah you know

SPEAKER_425: it's um you know when you're back high hole when you're looking out for instance someday we'll find

SPEAKER_427: it yeah the rainbow connection between kermit and i don't know what yeah it's a little bit like this

SPEAKER_23: permit permit let's get back on track 29 years old timmy's the youngest uh lead actor winner ever at

SPEAKER_00: the sag who's gonna win best picture you know i have my oscar ballot here i went with honora

SPEAKER_110: but i think it could also be conclave i'm very honora is about it's a sean baker film the guy did the florida project tangerine uh red rocket uh this is his newest one it is a very indie director is what we're saying and it's and it it's uh mikey madison who you saw in once upon a time in hollywood

SPEAKER_00: she's in the new scream movie uh scream five i believe she uh plays a sort of a a stripper escort she uh meets this uh the son of a very wealthy russian oligarch who's uh in america spending money doing drugs partying uh and this guy basically hires her to be his you know girlfriend for the week they go to vegas they're having so much fun they get married while they're together oh the mikey madison the the uh stripper she believes this is her golden ticket she's arrived her future is set but this guy's parents are like you're not getting married we're getting this annulled so it becomes this kind of uncut gems thriller well i love the gems man the oligarchs enforcers are trying to force them to get divorced mikey madison is like f you we're gonna go live our lives and be happy and it becomes very chaotic but it's also funny and it's sort of i saw my friend megan kelly uh mk ultra as i

SPEAKER_357: call her uh or she's on her uh pod she was like this is it this is a pouring into christianity blah blah

SPEAKER_00: blah oh conclave uh conclave is uh where we may see the real life version happening any day now it is basically a movie opens the pope dies the uh ray fine plays the dean of cardinals who has to call all the cardinals together okay it's about if you follow the process of voting for the new pope but they make it into a sort of a noir-y detective thing where all of the candidates to be the next pope there's there's a scandal there's a problem there's a mystery there's something they're hiding and so ray fines has to use this conclave to like dig into the truth and figure out what's going on with all these cardinals before they vote on the new pope all right everybody we will see you on wednesday

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