SPEAKER_00: hey everybody happy friday you made it to friday we consider friday the end of the week here at this week in startups the one we start up again on sunday you get saturday off but it is friday

SPEAKER_05: it is friday it's saturday you chill friday you work but really when we say work what we mean is spend a really long time talking about movies with our bestie lon harris so great

SPEAKER_00: the show is for us we love cinema tv shows molly and i love the pop culture we love science fiction i like a rom-com she does not i like one i like two rom-coms okay we're going to talk about those exact what are those exact rom-coms today but there's a lot of news and streaming amazon has a tick tock competitor dc is rebooting the universe you may lose your wonder woman you may lose your aquaman everything's up in the mix and then of course big debate over hbo's new name max for their streaming services i'm going to explain why i think this is the best of the worst choices

SPEAKER_05: and then minds may be changed and then we end the show with another episode of okay boomer with

Jason Calacanis: producer rachel who is interviewing alex banks who's the co-founder of a company called tribe scalar it's all in this episode it's going to be a great show and i go off on ao scott's top 10 movie

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SPEAKER_23: collaborative.org twist hey everybody it is friday it's this week in streaming we normally do this on thursday but you know the the flow of the news has been a little chaotic and anyway thursday is for

SPEAKER_02: the streaming weekend maybe fridays are better i don't know i like it it gets you ready for the weekend when you got you got a whole list you leave here with a whole list of show to watch yeah

SPEAKER_23: precisely it's a good tv day yeah it's like tv day hopefully hopefully we get this out in time uh lon harris is with us follow him on twitter twitter.com slash l-o-n-s and you could stump the lawn anytime you like just tell him two or three pop culture items you like and he will come back to you so for example i said you know i love the rolling stones and uh i love the clash she's giving me bands now okay

SPEAKER_36: and uh you know i really enjoy the story you know i like uh ensemble cast so i love

SPEAKER_38: warwalk empire and the sopranos and and ensembles like that which you know watch next lon take a

SPEAKER_40: second there i gave you there's a show that's coming up on amazon in a few months called daisy jones

SPEAKER_42: and the six that sounds exactly like what you're describing it's like a fictional band like a fleetwood mac inspired 70s rock band and the show is going to follow them on tour but you know like fleetwood mac there's tons of internal conflicts and they're all dating and betraying one another and sleeping around so it's going to be an ensemble sort of drama but set within a traveling rock band sounds exactly like what you were what you were saying you're a big fan of the rolling stones so there you go also i would mention rolling stones ensemble cast if you're not watching slow horses on apple tv plus everybody just season two just debuted this week gary oldman stars based on a series of british novels it's basically mi5 which is like uk's fbi like their internal mi6 would be james bond that's their cia mi5 is their internal police uh so it's about the agents for mi5 that screw up but they don't fire them they want to just get them out of the way they send them to a place called slough house which is like where the reject spies go who they just want to stick in a hole gary oldman is the spy

SPEAKER_49: chief who runs slough house and so it's just them getting into adventures and having spy cases

SPEAKER_54: really fun like comedy but it's it's it's a dry very deadpan very british it's like a spy thriller

SPEAKER_56: but with a dark funny sense of humor and spy stuff but mick jagger wrote the original theme song so it has a rolling stones tie-in so there you got it got it all right so that's it you give him a jumping

SPEAKER_59: off point he's gonna get you there he's gonna get you there all right the thing i think we have to talk

SPEAKER_23: about is either molly and i'll let you hear ladies choice tell us which one you think is the bigger story

SPEAKER_64: the dc universe which we put lon in charge of um for some reason they put some gun in charge of it and

SPEAKER_62: he made some decisions or in related news hbo max and discovery have decided on the name max for their

SPEAKER_05: streaming service which should we go first molly i was really enjoying um lon's tweets about the dc universe developments okay and also personally even though i thought that wonder woman 2 was an abomination god-awful one of the few unwatchable things i can so disappointing remember i'm still hella furious

Jason Calacanis: about wonder woman 3 being cancelled so i kind of want to start there okay great let's do so we don't

SPEAKER_79: know what would you have chosen lon it's a lot i think this is the big to me this is definitely the

SPEAKER_49: big story that i mean everything big the only stuff we're getting this week is is warner brothers

SPEAKER_79: discovery hbo max news so it all kind of ties in weirdly together but uh yeah i think this is the

SPEAKER_42: big story this week it it's not a story yet because really gun and saffran peter saffran who they're going to co-run dc studios together now they're basically going to pitch zas lab this coming week they're going to they've got their presentation here's our vision here's where we see this the dc universe going and this is all people talk to various you know reporters around town and we're getting sort of the preview here's where their their heads are at so what this is what this is making it sound like is that gun and saffran want to basically reboot the dc cinematic universe they're going to move away from these snyder actors and all that zack snyder casting that we've had for years and they're going to try to do their own thing now there's nothing definitive yet except wonder woman 3 seems pretty certain that that's not going to move forward uh and there's a little bit of disagreement deadline is saying there it's to me it sounds like deadline is talking to people from seven bucks the rocks company and they're telling them black adam did okay we might have

SPEAKER_49: more black adam movies and gun and saffran's people are like black adam also dead in the water so that that may be gone but the the big thing is it it sounds to me like what a lot of the article

SPEAKER_42: is saying is they're going to try to move away from the cavill the momoa gal gadot ezra miller that whole wing and try to make it more their own or try to reboot the cinematic universe and the real big question mark here is the flash because we know that that flash movie it has cavill in it it has momoa in it it's sort of a introduction to the next era of dc films and if they're not going to

SPEAKER_49: move those guys forward anymore why would you put that in a movie it just seems like it creates a weird

SPEAKER_05: contradiction but in your tweets and it was kind of interesting you were like i don't know if i totally understand the strategy of just wipe the slate clean like it does feel a little scorched earth

Jason Calacanis: and poor fan service which we've talked about a lot with these new yeah you know darth vader types

SPEAKER_49: coming in and basically being like screw the fans i don't feel like i would be as definitive and we don't know maybe maybe gun agrees with me and it's just this article is is making that not clear but to me i feel like there's no need to to say we're not going to keep jason momoa as aquaman the casting

SPEAKER_42: a guy to be aquaman in america and the world loving him was a huge gamble like why lightning might not strike twice why would you risk it people spent a billion dollars to go see jason momoa as aquaman you've got another aquaman movie coming out just keep him in your back pocket you don't need to green light aquaman 3 next week but if you're making another movie in a year and there's a scene that it would be cool if aquaman shows up why wouldn't you want to be able to get on the horn

SPEAKER_54: with jason momoa and be like hey show up for these three scenes it gets people excited you know it

SPEAKER_42: gooses the the audience uh so yeah like it seems weird that you would say we're gonna just this these guys are done and we're starting over that just riles people up unnecessarily when you could

SPEAKER_49: just do something like joker or the suicide you could sort of reboot it anyway you don't have to

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SPEAKER_106: multiverse version of this which is hey you have the snyder verse patty jenkins verse you've got the um robert patterson right and then you've got whatever joker with uh todd phillips which is you

SPEAKER_42: know they've got their own joker they've got their own harley quinn now i mean that's the other the other question mark is margot robbie harley quinn we know james gunn had her in his the suicide squad movie is she gone forever or is lady gaga our new harley quinn are we gonna recast harley quinn there's

SPEAKER_05: tons of these kinds of questions harley quinn not i'm stepping away from the business for a moment to be a fan because that would just be so stupid and then well the other interesting wrinkle there is

SPEAKER_49: margot robbie because she's doing press right now for babylon she's in the new damien chazelle movie

SPEAKER_42: that opens uh so she's doing press they've just been asking her about this and she had this very she had this very interesting you know quote where she she's been talking about she's been pushing dc to have a harley quinn poison ivy team-up movie because they're dating in the comics and so she was like i'd like parts and ivy should be harley quinn's girlfriend in the movies and they do a team-up movie so when she first said that people were reading that as like oh she's pitching this to warner brothers and she's trying to get the audience excited about it as part of the pitch but now you

SPEAKER_49: could almost read it as if she thinks she's out she's retroactively being like well here's what i wanted to do they wouldn't let me you know like she's kind of it's politicking it after the fact now that she knows she's not going to be harley quinn anymore okay so this is my point here's what's

SPEAKER_23: happening in a power vacuum people start going after power you have the rock very powerful force in the universe who aligned himself with uh henry cavalli is that how you pronounce his name

SPEAKER_42: followers danny garcia the guy who runs seven bucks with the rock and is the man the rocks manager is also henry cavall's manager so yes that's straight up just the business that's financing they're trying

SPEAKER_23: to get this guy right that's trying to secure those roles and they want to say hey we are a power couple over here and and that's how he wound up in the black adam black adam is a failure it's gonna make or lose

SPEAKER_62: 50 million which in this superhero universe is family yeah deadline and and duane are sort of

SPEAKER_42: trying to dispute that but i don't feel like they're either either situation plus or minus 50

SPEAKER_62: for a you know profit or loss for a tent pole is a failure there is only one success and that's making over 100 200 million in profit anything else is a failure you would agree with that one i

SPEAKER_42: uh yeah i agree with that on a business level i agree not only do i agree with that but i think we know what the benchmarks are for like runaway success when the audience is behind you and they love it and it's a big hit you get to 600 million 700 million a billion globally i mean you know we've seen aquaman did it the batman has you know like movies can do it so the fact that black adam didn't get

SPEAKER_137: there that's it people didn't connect with the character the story wasn't i liked it my kids

SPEAKER_49: liked it it just wasn't a break i thought it was fun i really like pierce brosden and his doctor fate that's an old dc character i'm a i'm a big fan of he nailed it yeah then you have patty jenkins

SPEAKER_118: she's going for hers and i'll just wrap up my my power faster the concept here you got patty jenkins

SPEAKER_140: uh and she's pulling the wonder woman card wonder woman is arguably the best character to come out of this

SPEAKER_106: whole thing in my opinion if i had to pick my top three out of this whole thing it's it's wonder

SPEAKER_108: woman and um wonder woman and then aquaman yeah and then i guess i go batman and maybe you know the henry cavalli or whatever his name is he's kind of boring super boring super flat no offense so great

SPEAKER_153: of mission impossible i think that's his best role perfect also did you guys ever see that uh

SPEAKER_42: guy richie's the man from uncle movie i highly highly recommend this one this is not get why you

SPEAKER_156: know man from uncle was like a six oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the totally campy that was fantastic guy richie did a movie version a few years ago with henry cavill as napoleon solo and

SPEAKER_157: the the disgraced now disgraced army hammer uh as the uh the other main role and it's super good

SPEAKER_159: time for salesperson times for salesperson yeah yeah it's the right exactly cayman islands

SPEAKER_157: army hammer yeah probably not as fun to watch robbie is going for her power play

SPEAKER_106: and by the way just on your point i can tell you young people are obsessed with the love affair

SPEAKER_165: between harlequin and ivy this is the lesbian uh theme for a lot of young people this is a major thing that

SPEAKER_106: people are talking about in middle school and high school it is like they're the animated version

SPEAKER_165: show right that they're together on the animated show and on the animated show they're kissing i think and so kids are well i mean we didn't have anybody kiss on it on a cartoon superhero show when we were kids so i guess this is meant for teens uh no the harley quinn show is like an it's like a family guy

SPEAKER_42: it's like purposefully raunchy and adult it's not it's not for kids it's not for kids yet my kids

SPEAKER_171: watching it so i'm gonna have to go do some policing kids are of the age where they can watch

SPEAKER_49: it's not you know like yes you know like horrible or immoral or violent or anything it's just you know

SPEAKER_174: it's right i think that james gunn is looking at this saying i'm gonna have to exert some power here

SPEAKER_165: and if i am in charge we're gonna clean the slate starting from zero here's the plan everybody gets to interview for their new job so basically i don't think he's gonna recast everybody i think he's gonna say everything's on the table here's the new plan based on what's the big uh super team up movie in the dc universe well justice league well there's justice league but wasn't there like

SPEAKER_179: their own version of like infinity or yeah i mean there's a bunch of different ones that you go to usually it involves we sort of teased in zack snyder's justice league the character of dark side

SPEAKER_54: who's from the planet apocalypse he's your thanos so what you would normally be doing is you would be

SPEAKER_42: doing a 10 or 12 if you wanted to copy marvel you do a long franchise that leads into like some kind of apocalypse war storyline there's a ton there's there's a ton of dc team up stuff that that deals with that but any of those and that's what snyder was trying to do he was teasing the anti-life equation and dark side and all that which was his way of introducing where now things

SPEAKER_36: are screwed up because they told like they teased it but they didn't kind of get there so now what is

SPEAKER_106: you know james gonna do he's gonna pick it up from where zach snyder left off and that whole thing is like questionable or does he just start over i think he starts over but i do think he lets everybody uh reapply for their role because you're a hundred percent correct you're not going

SPEAKER_108: to find a better aquaman in all likelihood you're not going to find a better wonder woman you will find a better superman you will find a better batman perhaps and it's great which one which one

SPEAKER_190: i really liked the pattinson movie it's not a shot at how good that was but i dug it yeah

SPEAKER_23: yeah so anyway that's my that's my full theory on the whole thing i think he's just going to come in exert power say here's here's the story now everybody re-enters it's sort of like netflix where they're like hey you know what it's the end of the year reapply for your job you know it's that

SPEAKER_179: kind of level of power move that's i think his power move it's an old hollywood thing that the idea

SPEAKER_42: being if you're the new guy brought in to run the studio yes it doesn't make a lot of sense to hang on to the previous person's slate because if it does well it doesn't reflect well on you it was like oh the person who used to have the job did a great job these are all good projects but if it fails everybody's looking at you like what are you doing why didn't you can't screw up their vision god okay it's kind of lose-lose whereas if you if you get rid of the snyder verse and you do the gun verse

SPEAKER_179: well it lives or dies with you if it's a success you get are we running out of actors for superhero

SPEAKER_204: slots is my next question yeah are we running out of a-list actors who hasn't played a role ryan reynolds played two that will agree actually we haven't gotten to this but they're talking about

SPEAKER_208: having momoa play some totally different role this logo character the discussion is that if so they're

SPEAKER_153: like just so far from him they'll just be like he's here now which could happen and we've seen

SPEAKER_49: several actors have have actually done that where they've been one hero in one universe and then they've jumped over and become a and ryan reynolds the obvious example right you know the green lantern

SPEAKER_05: and then yeah exactly like assuming and i don't think that they would but assuming that any of these actors say no after you know if gun like alienates them and they're like no i don't want to take you know on this multi-million dollar role which i'm sure they would but assuming that they say no like

SPEAKER_208: what do you do who is left i mean i guess you just go younger right like that woman from wednesday

SPEAKER_213: is like yeah jenna ortega right jenna ortega you bring her in as new wonder woman yeah there's always

SPEAKER_42: new actors and up-and-coming people and i mean stephanie sue the the the girl from everything everywhere all at once she's gonna be in stuff now and like you know there's there's a lot there's always

SPEAKER_49: those projects that introduce new people everybody gets excited about so i'm not that worried about

SPEAKER_36: that timothy chalamet what about molly's idea of going young i think you just go younger you start

SPEAKER_05: out you start it over for a new generation like there is this i mean gal gadot is not old none of these people are old but um but when you're you know when i hear jacal talk about what the middle school set is talking about like you could imagine them doing a younger poison ivy and harley quinn

SPEAKER_220: movie patterson's the younger batman yeah right right he's our path i mean i think it really

SPEAKER_42: depends on the filmmaker and the project and like who's the right person for the angle that you want to take because i mean like we would usually think you know bringing in a guy like ben affleck he's probably too old at that point to be batman but that was the batman story they were telling he's the old broken down batman who's gotten cynical and you know like i think i think you have to consider those things that i i don't think you necessarily want an all crew of like it's all peter parker's and everybody's 18. i just i do wonder and then we should talk about the max

SPEAKER_05: the max max story um i do wonder from a business perspective is this the play like sure hollywood's about power everything's about power and you got you know you come in you're like i'm new and i'm doing this and whatever but is there enough evidence that these that the current the existing strategy was so bad that it needed to be thrown out wholesale or at least lit on fire and then maybe parts of it will get put out like black adam i think is an interesting example of is it being judged is is there still pandemic hangover in terms of going to the movies like i just wonder when they look at these metrics and say oh black adam has failed it's like well why don't do we now need to give movies six to eight months on streaming to determine their true success

SPEAKER_49: i think it's a great point and i think that what this is allowing people to do is play extremely fast and loose like whatever argument you're making you can use the box office now to back it up because we don't know what average is anymore and we don't know what like james guns the suicide squad and black adam

SPEAKER_42: and wonder woman 2 these movies all performed comparably so if we're saying the suicide squad was good enough to get james gunn this part why wasn't did wonder woman 2 good enough to get wonder woman 3 greenlit it just seems like yeah you could kind of fudge the rules because nobody has a good sense of what a movie should make having said that we've got these crazy outliers like top gun maverick makes all these other kinds of arguments kind of right secondary because like well it can be done if you get people excited enough they'll show up for tom cruise in a jet here's what needs to happen maybe

SPEAKER_156: we just don't want superhero movies anymore oh i mean that is i've seen people making this case that like

SPEAKER_42: if you start to look at the box office post pandemic it does look like maybe that the and i mean we've certainly seen this i don't know if you could say that about superheroes yet but with family oriented animated movies you can't like they were a locked in guaranteed thing five years ago if you release a big animated movie that appeals to kids it's going to do well in its first few

SPEAKER_85: weekends because parents are just desperate to do something with these kids yeah today doesn't

SPEAKER_231: necessarily work because of the date there's too many animated films and so you can wait it out there's not the need to go see incanto in theaters we just waited and that one i think was a day and date that

SPEAKER_40: was like strange world the new sci-fi animated disney one is tanking in theaters and right people are waiting to catch it on disney we can wait but i do like the metric there is you know that one the

SPEAKER_42: menu that ray fine movie that like art house thriller that's out right now uh-huh yeah it's like ray fine is like a high-class chef and it's like this tasting menu but then there's something dark and sinister going on oh yes i did see that that movie has outgrown strange world so far this fox

Jason Calacanis: searchlight weird grown-ups want to get the hell out of the house but parents realize movies have been a rip-off this whole time i really i mean i really think there's just going to be a big and it's going to take us a while to figure out but the the playing field has changed and a movie like black adam

SPEAKER_05: is what i like to call my exact favorite kind of movie where it has a terrible critic score yeah like i always look at the critic score and rotten tomato and the audience score and if the critic score is like sub 50 and the audience score is over 75 i know i'm gonna love that movie i mean it's pretty bad taste and i love it but i'm not going to leave the house for it i'm gonna stream it so like i just think that there's a reshuffle happening and a lot of these studio decisions are being made i would argue potentially on old data okay i mean i think black adam is the

SPEAKER_133: kind of movie that would have benefited from people going to a theater who maybe didn't even know what they wanted to see it was like that's friday let's go see a movie oh the rock has that

SPEAKER_42: new one out but if you're not as inclined to just go to a theater anymore right maybe you don't care

SPEAKER_140: that much you'll wait and catch it like molly's theory in a budget conscious uh recessionary environment

SPEAKER_165: you're already paying for your streaming services you haven't caught up there's a glut it's a supply demand budgetary issue you put too much supply not enough demand and then you layer on top of it a recession and people are like you know what 100 bucks to go to the movies zero ordering a pizza for uh you know and uh take out a pint the haagen-dazs i'm in for 25 bucks for dinner and i gotta go 150 bucks to go to the movies and dinner screw it i'm saving a buck 25. yeah looking at

SPEAKER_208: the flu like you know i'm just not about it anymore i'm like not worth the exposure i still

SPEAKER_165: love taking my kids to it i literally look at the show times i work backwards from what's available because i love going to cinema but i'm an old guy we're gonna get another fascinating case study in

SPEAKER_256: just a few weeks when disney opens avatar 2 the way i mean i'm a thousand percent in showing not a

SPEAKER_49: review you can wait for streaming you gotta do imax 3d hey everybody it's time for a special

Chamath Palihapitiya: interview with an old friend of mine rick robinson he is the gm of age tech collaborative which is brought to you by our friends at aarp which i think correct me if i'm not at 52 as of last week am i able to be in aarp now you are you are welcome to join oh man you and i got old what happened this is amazing you guys are really excited uh about engaging the startup community in building technology for folks who are getting up there in age yeah it's really exciting for us developing the

SPEAKER_262: age tech collaborative to try to put a focus on what we call age tech and you might be wondering like what is age tech well it's uh it's the intersection of longevity and technology really these are health tech companies these are fintech companies these are wellness companies essentially it's going to be almost every company because the market 50 plus is becoming so enormous that they can't be ignored and then you've got a lot of people who are supporting that market who can be any age it's kind of a white space because not a lot of product developers and marketers and startups and investors have put a lot of focus on this but it's huge and it's growing in fact it's around eight and a half trillion dollars in terms of economic value in the u.s right now all right thanks rick when you're

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SPEAKER_266: course in the meantime you can go learn more about the age tech collaborative at age tech collaborative dot org twist and join us later in the program you hear more about the age tech collaborative and how they help innovative startups succeed i just want to wrap up superhero films with one single chart and

SPEAKER_165: then if you could go down here to the numbers here uh avengers end game avengers indy four superman no way home all in the two billion dollar ish club then we go down to the billion dollar club numbers four through 13. this tells the story first three are obviously you got six billy in the first three alone in marvel product then you get avengers ultron black panther iron man three civil war aquaman spider-man far from home captain marvel and then in number 12 and number 13 in wrapping up the

SPEAKER_174: billion dollar club we'll even go to number 14 since it's essentially we'll round up and number 15

SPEAKER_165: or all kind of billion dollar club dc shows up dark knight rises joker the dark knight what that shows is batman is the franchise and a dark batman wins full stop the end i'm just going by performance

SPEAKER_62: zaslov is looking at this chart zaslov is looking at this chart and saying where are we then we go to 15 doctor strange then spider-man spider-man and then finally batman versus superman dawn of justice guardians of the galaxy thor there's your top 20 and 22 wonder woman so you know you start looking in the top the only one that isn't a batman film for dc in the top 25 i kid you not is wonder woman with 800. yeah aquaman sign so congratulations aquaman wonder woman breaking in but it's it's a batman world they got to nail these characters aquaman world though that still came in higher i'm not i'm

SPEAKER_278: standing up for my boy momoa you have to keep him that's my point to keep him you have to keep him

SPEAKER_49: you got to keep a great batman i i feel like you're leaving a lot of money on the table if you don't keep making films with the characters that have proven to be breakout success characters that

SPEAKER_62: have captured the public yes 27 is the batman so what this argues for is robert patterson wonder woman and momoa being justice league am i correct or not can you pull that gal you need wonder woman like

SPEAKER_23: she is wonderful can you put robert patterson on either side of gal gadot and momoa yes you'd have

SPEAKER_49: a lot of explaining to do there because their batman was ben affleck and so if you don't get ben affleck back you've got to explain why is there this other batman now dc had a plan the plan was michael

SPEAKER_42: keaton that was the old plan remember they were putting michael keaton in the flash and they were putting michael keaton in that batgirl movie that's not happening anymore and then the plan was they were going to explain he came through a rip in the multiverse here's this other universe's batman and now we've got a batman again but that's off that that looks like even if keaton shows up in flash at all it'll just be a one-off cameo they're not permanently bringing him back so we got

SPEAKER_288: to go with the 40 year old version of this the gal you could introduce a new guy as batman you

SPEAKER_119: would just have to explain it what would the explanation be he's taken over as batman i would say if it were again if you came to me this is why you should be in charge here man i would say you set

SPEAKER_292: up terry mcginnis aka batman beyond from the animated series in the comics and say bruce wayne

SPEAKER_49: was training a protege we just hadn't met who's ready to take over as the new younger version of batman

SPEAKER_54: kill affleck and you have him come in or retire you even have affleck retire off screen have him

SPEAKER_298: do a vocal cameo if he's willing or something it's such a simple easy solution he's young batman and

SPEAKER_138: he's just starting out and boom there you go all right now we have to go to aos what do you think of

SPEAKER_62: it molly you like this plan uh robert patterson squeaks in it's a high risk maneuver it's a high risk

SPEAKER_256: maneuver he's got such a specific his own gotham in his own world i feel like it's it's weird i think

SPEAKER_05: it would be hard to bring him into that world especially because you've already set up to a little like love a little sexual tension with him and wonder with affleck batman and wonder woman and

SPEAKER_308: also that would be is it wonder woman in fact a lesbian as well i mean can we just give her that or no

SPEAKER_05: i mean there is that nice scene with chris pine where she talks about how unnecessary men are

SPEAKER_256: there there is a it's it's been a it's been played a lot of different ways throughout the history yeah exactly the comic stories because she did have a love interest in the old comic steve trevor

SPEAKER_133: but i mean it's true there's a beard i think there is also this idea that well there it's an island

SPEAKER_42: that's only populated by women so do they not have relationships at all on femascara or if they do

SPEAKER_317: they're women having relationships with women i mean of course she's gonna try out the hot new thing she's never seen a man before you're gonna you're gonna you're gonna take that pony out there's a

SPEAKER_153: there's a movie called professor marston and the and the wonder women or something like that that's about the creator of wonder woman and all these ideas you started it sure i did open the door all

SPEAKER_106: right i want to open and shut this door real quick a.o scott i at some point got into it with the

SPEAKER_00: film critics at the at the new york times where i was like is this a list of the best international films of the 20th cent 21st century or the best films and they went off on me as being and i got blocked

SPEAKER_23: by like 10 film critics and they were like you are a you know like it was like a whole like thank you

SPEAKER_324: i don't want to get into like a woke thing or like everybody else can shut up here but i was like

SPEAKER_325: why does the new york times hate the movies that americans love a.o scott's job is not to tell you

SPEAKER_133: you're the smartest boy who likes all the best movies and make you feel good about yourself his

SPEAKER_54: job is to teach you about movies especially ones you haven't heard about there are plenty of the

SPEAKER_328: new york times film critic what's exactly what's the job of a film critic it's yeah have you been

SPEAKER_81: following the controversy and inform you about what's going on in international film you're not

SPEAKER_42: an expert or you're not you're not spending all day watching international movies and learning about what's going on in the international film scene that's why journalism exists that's why you would hire a new york times chief film critic who's been doing this for decades and that's his job he okay

SPEAKER_335: molly could watch black adam and be like i thought it was good that that's my job molly please your

Jason Calacanis: opinion i know that my taste is absolute trash and that's why i look at audience score over critic score this is just like the i was there's been this like same controversy over the pitchfork best songs or best albums of 2022 lists because everybody's like what is this and it's all just and whatever i agree it is their job to go and be the boots on the ground for all of the stuff that we're not

SPEAKER_81: going to go see but it doesn't have to be there's popular expert to spend their whole lives watching movies and analyzing movies and then not listen to them when they're like these are great movies you

SPEAKER_342: might not explain why the two of you are wrong no we're not you unexpected populist you

SPEAKER_14: i'm not trying to be populist i am trying to find a middle ground hey everybody it's time for a special

Chamath Palihapitiya: interview with an old friend of mine rick robinson he is the gm of age tech collaborative which is

SPEAKER_266: brought to you by our friends at aarp so how does the collaborative work how do you help companies

SPEAKER_347: and investors kind of access these companies and these markets so essentially what we do is we look for

SPEAKER_262: companies we incubate them we invest in them and then we bring them into this new environment we call the age tech collaborative community so yes we have pitch competitions that we run throughout the year themed and some of them are open mic style and it's a way for us to source and find great early stage companies usually pre-series a we invite some of them into our accelerator program which is extremely high touch eight weeks four times a year where we bring in aging experts we help get them best prepared to deliver their product or service to the market and as i mentioned we often invest in these companies and then they graduate into the age tech collaborative community which is an online platform that makes up an ecosystem that we're developing that includes of course the startups investors testbed organizations enterprises and business services all in this one online environment where they can support and draw from one another great so there's an online community people can

Chamath Palihapitiya: go visit they can go visit that at age tech collaborative.org twist age tech collaborative.org twist and so if you want to build in that market if you want to sell into that market if you want to invest in that market this is a great way for you to partner with aarp correct absolutely yep ao scott

SPEAKER_351: is this is a middle ground americans this is a pure troll on there and after sun and tar and flux gourmet

SPEAKER_42: these are not these are not impossible to find movies these are like okay tar is rentable on vov right now it's on amazon flux gourmet is on shutter okay all the bleeding bloodshed just isn't out yet it comes out in a few weeks after sun is an a24 movie it's been playing in theaters these are not really that

SPEAKER_359: obscure hold on 24 is like the studio molly molly i mean no i'm not going to watch any of these no

SPEAKER_361: okay no no i'm not going to be going i will not i'm just the audience needs to hear this list if

SPEAKER_363: you're listening to my voice right now and you watched movies in 2022 you're the person i'm asking

SPEAKER_62: this question to what did you think of ao scott's number one choice note by jordan peel okay you didn't see it you didn't see it correct molly oh i'm a chicken but tons of people saw it okay number two neptune

SPEAKER_81: far frost frost it's a it's an indie sci-fi post-apocalyptic movie about a way to see it's

SPEAKER_133: about a collective of hackers who are like trying to take over the predominant like subtitles no it's an american film and salt williams is like a musician this is number three mr bachman

SPEAKER_373: and his class i'm ready i don't know that i'm gonna watch neptune frost i think it's german maria

SPEAKER_374: speth i believe it's you don't even know it okay and you're in this business but i'm excited to find out about a movie i don't know that's great okay so if this was the let me just continue after

SPEAKER_42: sun by charlotte wells what is this is an indie drama from the uk a24 release it's in theaters now paul mescal was in that hulu series normal people he started it's about a father and daughter on a

SPEAKER_382: vacation together sorry 24 is on vacation no bad all the kids are into a24 that studio i don't i don't

SPEAKER_384: know no bears either that's all right i rest my case two of the top five you don't even know but number six i know about tar tar this has got that famous actress in it it's one of the best

SPEAKER_45: performances of the year okay so this is like a whiplash is this whiplash 2.0 no it's a i'll tell

SPEAKER_200: you you might like it because it does it deals with like cancel culture i saw the clip there's a

SPEAKER_00: stunning clip from this where she tells a person who doesn't want to play bach because he's a white

SPEAKER_137: musician and he's like i don't want to play music by oppressive people she's just like it's

SPEAKER_42: it's just the best it's a it's a fascinating character study uh kate planchet plays one of the world's most acclaimed composers and conductors okay and it's about her you saw starting off at this position of extreme prominence and how her prestige begins to slip did you see it i saw it

SPEAKER_393: it's brilliant it's really brilliant it's on vod right now can't wait to see it lost illusions i don't

SPEAKER_42: know that one i i don't even know i've never even heard of xavier giannoli or may flux gourmet is amazing it's on shutter right now if this guy peter strickling he also did a movie that i urge you

SPEAKER_133: all to check out called barbarian sound studio okay he makes in the weird unconventional horror and cronenberg films sounds like cronenberg like david cronenberg a little bit uh definitely artsy horror flux gourmet is about a group of people that make soundscapes with food and it's like they're an experimental collective that works with does like weird art projects with food but then it becomes like a horror movie i don't want to yeah yeah it's it's very interesting it's on shutter

SPEAKER_406: right now highly recommended so he put a horror film in there or two that's interesting all in fabric

SPEAKER_297: peter strickland same director that's about a dress that murders the women who wear it he makes

SPEAKER_408: a little comeback you want to say 24 what is all the beauty and the bloodshed number nine

SPEAKER_54: uh you remember laura pontra she did that what citizen zero that that film whatever the film was

SPEAKER_411: about glenn greenwald and uh-huh yeah sure waitress waitress she was like part she was part of the big

Jason Calacanis: uh reveal she was part of the big uh the papers the the the snowden story yes exactly it wasn't she was

SPEAKER_153: one of the producers this is her new documentary she was one of the producers of the whole like

SPEAKER_54: snowden release i like a good doc and it's about uh this one's about the sackler family it's about

SPEAKER_42: like the the the owners of uh purdue pharma and their relationship with the artist nan golden i hear it's great it's not out it's out in like two weeks but i'm hoping and then finally number 10

SPEAKER_231: aveo scott's top 10 films of 2022 down with the king diego yeah down with the king is uh i've heard of this

SPEAKER_81: with two and this is like it's like an indie it's not even a far a film i don't think it's like an

SPEAKER_42: indie drama about a rapper and it's got uh you know freddie gibbs he's like a like a sort of an indie rap artist like a very well-regarded uh sort of old-school rapper he's like the star of it yeah okay

SPEAKER_231: so now if the title of this was the best movies you probably didn't see of 2022 but these are a that's fine hold on let me make my point please you have made your point with this entire segment

David Friedberg: you are going to agree with me in 30 seconds no this should not be the best movies of 2022 because it does not represent what actually are the best films of 2022 there is one spectacular film that made

SPEAKER_00: people go to the movie theaters by the greatest movies perhaps the greatest movie star of our generation maverick how do you put after sun no bears lost illusions and whatever this documentary is above the single cinematic experience of 2022 i there's no matter would it kill a.o scott movie to put it's certainly one of the top five films of the

SPEAKER_345: year well there's no there's no list that doesn't include it films of the year there's no it doesn't

SPEAKER_179: exist that whatever you thought were your five favorite movies of the year those are your top

SPEAKER_42: five best films the the idea that we could somehow take our opinion out and and just look at the filmmaking here's the thing people think they can do that they're like oh but just look at the filmmaking just at the quality of the performance it's like you don't know how to evaluate that stuff you're you're just watching it like the idea that you can watch a movie and objectively pick apart the skill and the craft with which it was made everybody's deluded they're full critics can't even do that we're all just saying the things we like the best right i'm so irritated right now because

SPEAKER_05: on the one hand i do count on a critic to find me art that i don't know is art that i'm probably not going to watch because i am trash but art is really important and i am happy to see something other than a tentpole freaking superhero movie get recognized and also maverick got great critic scores like it would

Jason Calacanis: not kill the i that i'm talking about this critical things are true in new york time where aos got very i think specifically excluded this particular like this movie could have been in that top ten list and

SPEAKER_437: he excluded it because he's trolling us his list is garbage no it's not trolling ability is zero

SPEAKER_54: my top ten list too mad god after yang saloon those aren't me wait you have a top ten list

SPEAKER_314: give me the top three i haven't seen everything yet but i have a top i keep a running list all year of

SPEAKER_408: my favorite stuff give me your top three that you love that you would tell me and molly and a normal human on planet earth you're gonna love it you're right you're gonna you're gonna get mad at me but

SPEAKER_133: i'm gonna go number one mad god that's phil tippet's stop-motion animated epic that's on shutter right now phil tippet did special effects for star wars jurassic park he's a legend in the animation wild card i give you the wild card and the visual effects industry he made a stop-motion animated film that's like it's why it's a character exploring like a nightmare hellish world where all these monsters are like trapped doing manual labor it's incredible number two this one's on showtime of a filmmaker named corey ida it's called after yang and it's with colin farrell it was out

SPEAKER_42: like march april this year it's a sort of near future sci-fi drama i heard uh families in the future can get robots lifelike robots to like live with them so it's about this

SPEAKER_133: couple they adopt a child from china and then they bring in a a older like a boy chinese robot to be like the older brother of their new daughter to give her someone who feels like she has a connection to to grow up with and then the the robot malfunctions and it's about how the family deals with this loss that's like it is a loss but it's not a human loss and it's a really fascinating movie and then the third one is your number two number two and then the third one i think i've talked about this before it's with rebecca hall also on shutter right now it's called resurrection rebecca hall and

SPEAKER_42: tim roth incredible thriller rebecca hall is this very successful single mom very like put together everything in her life is worked out and then she sees tim roth in public and just seeing him brings back something from her past and starts to like unravel her entire life and so we slowly start to unpeel like what's the nature of their relationship and why is she so unnerved by

SPEAKER_157: seeing him rebecca hall is i'd like i've rarely seen a performance like this in a film she's unbelievable

SPEAKER_449: in this movie okay i like i didn't know that that was that lady's name can i ask you a question

SPEAKER_138: before i kick you off the show is top gun in your top 10 it is it's my number 10 so the rest of the

SPEAKER_42: top 10 is nope sar saloon moon age daydream crimes of the future jackass forever at number nine and

SPEAKER_393: then top gun maverick okay so this is perfect you don't have to be a o scott that's a perfect list

SPEAKER_00: you need to i'm giving you a third job fourth job this is your fourth job i'm giving oh my god number three job you need to replace a o scott because you made a list that's intriguing with wild cards with things that and honest are stunning in terms of performance screenplay or uniqueness but you also recognize that you could have a tub of popcorn and see jackass you could see uh maverick or you could see an animated film a stop-motion film and have great joy in the cinematic experience once again lon you are the best dome and pop culture critic on the planet a.o scott is garbage the list is garbage man he's purposely trolling everybody and i i am disgusted once again with the new york times first andrew ross sorkin with that terrible interview and now this

SPEAKER_45: jokester well i'm not even putting maverick on the list nobody go to the new york times today

SPEAKER_460: because you'd be crossing a digital picket line anyway so thursday yeah i'm going to allow this

SPEAKER_462: once yesterday the new york times on strike today strike on thursday this is for friday oh right

SPEAKER_372: yeah it was yesterday sorry perfect here's what happens anybody on strike guess what we're doing a riff you're on the list let's go is that legal is that legal can you really not people who go on

SPEAKER_465: strike i'm pretty sure you can't do that i feel like the labor board is going to have an issue we're

SPEAKER_425: laws kind of a violation yeah okay don't do a labor violation but you do need to do a riff new york

SPEAKER_469: times so for the maniacs who went on strike begging for more from the new york times you're in a recession wake up people no you're lucky to have your job go to the office stay late no no no no no

SPEAKER_165: big riff coming anybody want to make a bet that new york times lays people off in the next six

SPEAKER_475: months who wants to take the bet i mean i don't want to take a bet on that you're betting on people's

SPEAKER_476: lives let's say that kanye west has a suicide attempt riffs are human in the next year yeah exactly just like keep it coming there literally that was one of my group chats laying there joker suicide

SPEAKER_479: yes it's pretty terrible um not not a well man new york times i know we're just like i know all right

SPEAKER_485: i think max is a good name i'm fine with the name max it seems weird to me because hbo is the brand max is not a max is not a recognizable brand well it's just a word because it's just a freaking word

SPEAKER_430: like hulu ipad max equals hulu that's it it was really sad about this is the idea that they want

SPEAKER_49: to deprecate the hbo branch like they don't want to dilute the hbo brand is what they're saying because

SPEAKER_42: they're basically this is going to be they're taking all the discovery channels and jamming them in here and so they don't want it to be like food network and hbo or identical brands now but i still think they're i think they're wrong like i don't i don't agree with this strategy i don't think max means

SPEAKER_79: anything to people i think warner brothers means something to people i think hbo means something to people i don't think max means anything to people all right all right simpsons where homer renames

SPEAKER_310: himself max power max power he's mad with the name that you want to touch yeah i'm gonna rename myself

SPEAKER_00: this is basically that max power let me let me just give them some cover here this is a 60 40 decision it's it's not an easy decision to make because hbo when you hear that music and remember the old thing you know whatever that sound is

SPEAKER_510: the eight so there's those two there's the where you get the sopranos yeah yeah the static one yeah the static one then there's the da da da da da from the 80s and 90s where they fly over then you

SPEAKER_513: fly around right it's awesome which to be fair it means nothing to anyone because we're old as hell

SPEAKER_165: yeah no no no it's still i think it's still iconic because the euphoria hbo every goddamn show on that

SPEAKER_62: network is worth watching i can't i i'm i'm trying to find a show on there that i said garbage

SPEAKER_200: i haven't said that industry i mean john from cincinnati but you got to go back a little way

SPEAKER_314: don't even remember it they've had a few one i'm just saying of late is white lotus there's yeah white

SPEAKER_518: lotus is there is industry is industry there industry is hbo is euphoria there's euphoria hacks hacks hacks love sleeper for me obviously the dragon listen hbo max means crafted beautiful product

SPEAKER_522: thoughtful worthy of your time worthy of discussion that's what it means that's not what discovery means and their collection of like home improvement and so if you really believe long term that hbo stands for something then you don't want to name an hbo but what a nice little thing that they did this hbo max mess because now they can say you know what max is like hulu it's a collection of brands it's a

SPEAKER_165: it's a logical decision in my mind it's the best of the it's the best of bad decisions you can make

SPEAKER_526: all right i'm sold yeah i don't buy anything else you've said today but that one

SPEAKER_42: to build off of that they're also saying it's going to visually be like disney plus you know how disney plus has the hubs across the top so that when you first arrive you go that's what that's what they're going to do as well so it'd be like do you want hbo shows do you want warner brothers films do you want dc do you want discovery reality shows consumers will understand this consumers are

SPEAKER_529: going to understand it so molly to be clear sold right exactly like that top row of hubs of brands

SPEAKER_00: yeah i apologize for based jcal on fridays but i'm going into a very base weekend number one if you're striking in a recession you're probably going to get laid off number two if you give me a woke trolling and you don't include maverick on the list i'm going to be based

SPEAKER_533: and you think it's woke just don't even just stop anyway please i'm sorry please i didn't feel i didn't

SPEAKER_01: mean to okay not woke but trolling okay i don't i'm not going to use a trigger feet the word you're

SPEAKER_56: looking for is a feet it's elitist i mean two years of french i don't speak it it's you know he goes to every film festival he sees every big art house film like he's supposed to have those kinds

SPEAKER_133: of opinions and those expert takes it's true there are plenty of people right for the local paper

SPEAKER_299: who's gonna go see you know whatever the big movies are this weekend and they'll tell you what

SPEAKER_430: they liked it's two different jobs educated it could even just be an educated list i don't know

SPEAKER_538: what if we are not because we have not seen does that mean like dainty or precious precious yeah

David Friedberg: i'm not looking for i'm i'm looking for accuracy between the title and the product the best films

SPEAKER_24: of 2022 should not pick for the best films all right the most popular films would be a different list

SPEAKER_545: it should say that feet is characterized by extreme refinement yes okay or self-indulment

SPEAKER_133: say a feet person's best films of 2022 having a reflecting you're supposed to do you're supposed to find the critics whose opinions mirror your own or at least you find their takes interesting and then you read them so maybe you and a o scott are just not aligned maybe you're more of a manola darjus

SPEAKER_546: guy a pretentious the the 22 most of the 22 best most pretentious films of 2022 i'm like most pretentious

SPEAKER_549: come on he put three films on there you don't know a lot it's a bit pretentious is it a little bit

SPEAKER_138: pretentious i don't i don't go to a single film festival in a year like i'm i'm getting my feet the same way everyone else is i'm so tilted right now i gotta let it go i gotta let it go but i'm tilted

Jason Calacanis: about a hundred percent wrong like neither of you is a hundred percent right or wrong how about that i'm just gonna sit right here in the middle and go like there's there's an effectiveness about this list and also if i had seen 15 you know a thousand movies this year at every film festival possible

SPEAKER_299: maverick might get crowded out like i don't know all right i have one that's high on my list too called soft and quiet that nobody's heard of i just caught it on vod and it's amazing

SPEAKER_563: it's out wait a second is this an nc-17 like oh no it's a it's it's shot it's all done in real time

SPEAKER_42: like it's all it's all shot single take real time what soft and quiet and it's about it's a group of women and they're having this meeting that's like we're like-minded citizens like a get to know you okay we're gonna start this club and you only realize slowly over the course of the meeting that they are white supremacists and it is a they're starting a nazi club meeting and then things it it becomes through a blumhouse uh produced it becomes a thriller and sort of things spiral very

SPEAKER_565: much like mystery horror thriller it's like a thriller like they things happen thriller yeah it's

SPEAKER_133: like a it's like a crime thriller that stuff starts to happen and the tension builds and eventually they're a violent incident happens and it's just how these women 80 percent fresh but in real time

SPEAKER_569: you know 88 fresh but molly audience score 58 so this could be a little bit it's one of those movies

SPEAKER_133: that it's like you're all the characters are horrible they're they're white supremacists right so you're being sucked into their world and their minds with casseroles and it's it's very clever and

SPEAKER_42: smart and thoughtful but it it's not like an easy fun watch so i could see why the audience score

SPEAKER_05: might be like this is a lot to my reviews site and i think i'm at one point did own this domain although i may have let it go is bad but awesome.com like i know the movies i like are bad i know but

SPEAKER_156: they are awesome yeah uh but anyway that's like to me that's so much of the value of a critic is like

SPEAKER_133: i read a review and that's how i heard of soft and quiet and then i rented it on vod and then i watched and i was like this is amazing so if i can pass that on to another person okay why would not instead of being like you were right tom cruise is the title if you put sleepers or ones

SPEAKER_62: you may not have heard of i'm all for it so soft and quiet what was the uh sci-fi one you liked and the sci-fi one on al scott's list because that's in our neptune's neptune's frost is the it's

SPEAKER_42: one of the years like if you read a lot of like critics lists neptune's frost was like a big breakout earlier this year i'm gonna watch that that looks good i'm gonna watch it i wrote it down

SPEAKER_284: that one is on i think you can rent it for like two or three bucks now it's on amazon and after

SPEAKER_279: what was your other you had another uh sci-fi one that uh well i loved mad god that's the stop motion

SPEAKER_133: one uh i i really like after yang that's probably the one you're thinking of that you can also rent that one but that's streaming right now on showtime which is called feral it's great and it's it's not

SPEAKER_54: it's not like an art film it's it's a drama it's just it's a sci-fi movie it's like he's trying to get his robot fixed and nobody can fix it and people are like oh we'll just get another one if you want one but it's like but it's you know it's become a member of the family all right to

SPEAKER_106: watch movies and films i just started my list on a little notion page uh anything else we have for a lawn here that we need to discuss because i think we got through disney we got through max

SPEAKER_42: we got the hbo max thing is they had said before they were gonna like discovery's gonna take over the reality show game and hbo is not going to really produce as many in-house and we're this week we're starting to see that they canceled almost all the uh unscripted hbo max original so sweet life and legendary and like the f boy island those shows are all going away all the reality shows

SPEAKER_79: will be produced by zazz lab's old team at discovery now got it makes sense that's the other big change

SPEAKER_23: this week the other thing i wanted to ask you about was this tick tock doing tick tock i'm sorry amazon

SPEAKER_106: launched a tick tock review product it's like a social shopping product so inside the amazon app

SPEAKER_174: right i don't have it but some other people have it and i thought this is an interesting thing to bring up because i want to just as we do this week in streaming every week molly i just think

SPEAKER_522: talking about the impact of tick tock because i was watching reid hastings uh it was interviewed

SPEAKER_174: recently and he kept talking about two things games he brought it up five six seven times and then he kept talking about tick tock and here's amazon saying you know what we're we are competing in some ways against tick tock for you know people's attention netflix is seeing this as something with tension and by the way molly we have to cover this on the news program there's two lawsuits out now against tick

SPEAKER_308: that have just broken in the last i think 24 or 48 hours over programming our kids and the influence

SPEAKER_522: it's having yeah and the addictive nature of it so it's going to put tick tock on our this weekend streaming plate in terms of its draw but what do you think about commerce plus tick tock plus this amazon

SPEAKER_45: thing this makes me think did you remember those trend stories about how young people use tick tock

SPEAKER_133: for search now what yeah they like tick tock has started replacing google for like teens because

SPEAKER_42: they'll just go search for whatever they're looking for you know if you were going to look up how do i make uh you know like a recipe or a location or whatever you would be looking up in google you could put it into tick tock and it'll just bring up videos about that topic and then they're so used to swiping

SPEAKER_133: through videos until they find what they like that's become the search mechanism whereas us old

SPEAKER_42: folks are still tied to more conventional search engines there's a great example so to me this feels

SPEAKER_133: like amazon saw all of these trend stories it was like maybe this is how young people would like to shop now as well instead of going to amazon.com and typing in pants and then scrolling down pages

SPEAKER_42: until you find the pair of pants you like maybe they want to put pants into tick tock and then swipe until they see a video of someone wearing pants they admire huh it's funny and then amazon looks at

SPEAKER_05: that and goes crap we need to get in that game hence this new product yeah i mean i just to me

SPEAKER_297: that's exactly what it is if people under 20 are used to doing this as their search engine now and their discovery this is how they discover new products google saw this coming with youtube google

SPEAKER_00: hmm bought youtube in fact because they started to see the percentage of searches not on search engines but on the web in general start to happen there and then amazon did this before amazon a lot of people when they do product search just go directly to amazon to search for products obviously i certainly do it's a better experience and then google launched google shopping and has been trying to monetize that and sort of compete against it and of course amazon launched a9 their failed

SPEAKER_108: search engine then shut it down so you did have this little like sort of the battle for the search

SPEAKER_106: box and obviously now you have in addition to that you have um apple selling off their search box

SPEAKER_00: for web search to google and making billions but they also are now they did you notice in the new

SPEAKER_62: version of ios when you go to your home screen on the bottom what do you see oh yeah you can

SPEAKER_622: search there's a search bar there now there's a search bar on the home screen so the battle for

SPEAKER_308: the search box continues folks something to to keep in mind and molly what do you think of this concept

SPEAKER_05: yeah i'm surprised that social shopping has taken as long as it has like it's been a really interesting like slow moving there are so many times there are so many times when amazon could have done this there are like individual brands that have tried to do a little bit of video i think that amazon is going to have a problem making this uh consistent across the site like it's really cool but right now it's it's i don't know how you pull this off with all of the third-party sellers that you have on amazon so you're going to have an inconsistent shopping product i think that there are i don't get me wrong

Jason Calacanis: i think this kind of social shopping thing is huge right i want to see the video yeah here's some great

SPEAKER_618: video of this happening pick your categories okay these are the things i love this is pinterest already

SPEAKER_05: this is tick tock already like and unless amazon can really nail this on every single product on amazon it's going to be a weird and consistent thing but also it's the future of shopping right it's like a

SPEAKER_42: take my money yeah when i see one of these videos they're also trying to do this right now on twitch same kind of idea they're trying to how can we put our e-commerce tools directly on twitch so that right if i have a twitch channel and i'm like oh my god you guys i just got the best new gaming headphones or you have to get this whatever how can i integrate that into the same page so that

SPEAKER_49: people don't need to leave their twitch channel to buy the product and then maybe even the creator

SPEAKER_05: gets a five percent which is huge in china something like that specific live streaming social shopping is huge in china there was a whole documentary about it i interviewed the director like

SPEAKER_108: two or three years ago massive deal yeah i mean here's the thing amazon knows what i've bought my history and what i've searched for so they're going to just be like here's anchors tick tocks you know there or their stories and if i swipe through a bunch of anchor products i'm going to be buying six a day i mean anything anchor comes up with in terms of charging and cables i don't know why i have a fetish for anchor you know what i'm talking about lon anchor no i don't and this is

SPEAKER_546: where the producers pull up the anchor store on amazon i mean anchor is the best cables the best

SPEAKER_641: charging stations the best battery packs like accessories while you're pulling that up it is

SPEAKER_05: genuinely terrifying the idea that i would open amazon as a content experience and get a whole bunch of videos and i could buy from each one of those videos like right now those buzzfeed like

SPEAKER_645: have you ever done the buzzfeed here's all the anchor stuff look look at that nano three if you

SPEAKER_308: click on that nano three they have a triple charger that does two usbcs and one regular traditional

SPEAKER_156: us they have these like little tiny this is a this is such a weird sub subculture to get into power

SPEAKER_522: really is well it's also the power bricks it's also the battery pack i have the magsafe power backs i

SPEAKER_651: mean i just feel like most people don't put this much thought into recharging that nano see that

SPEAKER_522: little nano there lon you know how you carry your your laptop brick this thing fits in the palm of your hands 60 90 120 watts high speed charging you go travel around the world i do like a foldable plug

SPEAKER_45: is good because they they they come with those really cumbersome big white boxy ones that are hard to

SPEAKER_522: move around yeah also when i travel with three daughters and the wife i have like a multi-charging system that has five or six different plugs i can put in two usb three regular then i take this octopus i it's got like a six foot cable i'm in the hotel room i get behind the couch i plug it in

SPEAKER_425: throw it over the couch i got five cables three ipads somebody's watch this thing that thing

SPEAKER_522: everything's getting charged at once and i am super dad i understand job to make sure the devices are

SPEAKER_108: charged i mean that's work seriously that's good is this serious hard dad work well you wouldn't

SPEAKER_305: understand i wouldn't know yeah you wouldn't my dad was too it was too early there was none of this in

SPEAKER_106: the 90s right this is amazing lon you're you're a gift to humanity if you were to say during this holiday

SPEAKER_24: season here's three holiday films that aren't home alone okay you know it's not like elf you know those two but here are three holiday films films that wow okay you know anybody getting in the christmas

SPEAKER_00: spirit you know the night before christmas or the day before maybe it's christmas afternoon there's nothing to do it's raining outside the kids want to get in the spirit you want to laugh you want to be

SPEAKER_24: touched what what are we going to watch what uh what what should come up molly i'll give i'll give this question to you too favorite holiday films to watch just you know like what uh well i watch you

SPEAKER_05: know what i watch every year it's so terrible and i love it i'm not a rom-com person to throw out everything i've ever said about my action movie fetish and my military fetish and whatever but i love the holiday the like the whole exchange with jack black and cameron diaz and kate winslet i don't

SPEAKER_10: even know this one and i'm a rom-com guy oh my god really i'm so jealous that you get to watch the

SPEAKER_157: holiday for the first time you know one of those classic uh it's like a throwback you'd probably like

SPEAKER_678: it's a total studio rom-com great i love cameron diaz i miss cameron diaz that was like my well she's coming back next year she's got a new netflix movie she's unretiring next year cameron diaz

SPEAKER_681: i'm so excited for you i love this movie this is my favorite okay what do you got

SPEAKER_42: uh i i can think of about i mean my personal all-time favorite christmas movie the one i usually watch every year is uh scrooged with bill murray the uh the christmas carol take but it's sort of he's the the the scrooge character it's very funny great cast carol kane is the ghost of christmas present 1988 yeah richard donner bobcat goldthwaites in this movie alfre woodard great cast it's really funny um and yeah it's it's uh you know it's a recognizable take on the charles dickens christmas

SPEAKER_104: carol but with a very like 90s bill murray this is the bill murray era i love because i just watch i told you i did what about bob girls were crazy love that one love that every time we have dinner they

SPEAKER_539: go dad don't start doing mm and i go mm oh this is corn fresh shot shot would you like some more salad

SPEAKER_323: bob yeah pilot pilot high and deep just can you get the tomatoes off there what about bob have you seen

SPEAKER_05: it molly you've mentioned it so many times and i was trying to remember this the other day i was talking to my kid and i was like there's some movie that jason always brings up and then usually

SPEAKER_703: nick jumps in i don't want to oversell it but we're watching it we're watching it and we watched because they love that film so much i said you want to watch another one that's just as good and

SPEAKER_106: we watched groundhog day which delivers i mean four six to twelve year old girls and their dads from the 80s i mean it just is a bullseye what about bob and groundhog day um it's just amazing a perfect

SPEAKER_42: capper for that trilogy i think would be would be scrooge would be the perfect that's the christmas

SPEAKER_714: one to add on to add on time i can't play them stripes yet but i always loved stripes as a kid yeah because it had a little bit of a few more years scenes and that was like one of my first

SPEAKER_138: what's that i say it's not that bad i feel like within a few years you could probably show them

SPEAKER_522: stripes yes but stripes to me this was the first time i was ever like because what year did stripes come out uh 80 might be an overshare 81 81 so when i saw stripes you know in that time period i and i think i saw it with the family there were a couple of scenes where men and women were

SPEAKER_165: interacting in a very flirtatious yeah maybe a little sexual lampoon you know it's like that that

SPEAKER_723: that era i was like whoa it was the first time i was like chicks whoa chicks i was like a 12 year old

SPEAKER_727: boy like whoa i like that i don't know what i like but there's something going on here that i'm kind of digging and that was my like little it's funny all the stuff that i we grew up nick is

Jason Calacanis: like oh no it's just it always like oh wow we grew up watching on tv like that was on tbs and then now

SPEAKER_05: when you watch it when you re-watch it in streaming on netflix or hbo or something you're like oh my god there are boobs and also the f-word like i didn't know there's like a huge f-bomb in big oh yeah

SPEAKER_559: oh right it does happen because like they didn't that wasn't on tbs when we watched it on tv growing up and then i showed it to myself and i was like f-bomb oops yeah oh the tv show wednesday has f-bombs

SPEAKER_167: no space balls i remember from being a kid i think that was the first f-word i ever heard was when rick moran did you watch this wednesday yeah i watched wednesday i thought it was all right okay

SPEAKER_314: for a six-year-old okay for a 12 year old what do you think definitely okay for a 12 year old six

SPEAKER_42: year old i don't know if it's inappropriate or if they just i don't i think it might be a little bit past them the 12 year old will probably like it it's very much it's like it's what if you put wednesday adams in like a riverdale like it's very much a cw show plus adams family together is

SPEAKER_654: wednesday people are freaking out about the woman in this the young actress yeah i don't know if

SPEAKER_108: she's young or not um she's 20 she's like a baby yeah um and there's some dance scene that went viral i see it all over tick tock and everywhere and this is a dance scene that she's doing that's an homage

SPEAKER_45: to the original wednesday it's just a weird it's the cramp song goo goo muck which is like this

SPEAKER_42: rockabilly song from the 80s and she's just doing this very weird dance to it like a wednesday adams thing but then at one point she does this like weird little tap dance move that is i guess a

SPEAKER_49: reference to the old adams family tv show and a dance that the wednesday adams did there so yeah

SPEAKER_752: this is so this is tick tock bait is it not like you do this on a tv show knowing that it's gonna everybody's gonna imitate it because people want to dance people love to dance oh jennifer this is

SPEAKER_535: exactly the sort of thing that is so she choreographed it is that true she choreographed it yeah they're saying jenna ortega came up with this dance on on her own she's huge and she's gonna get huger like she is such a big deal she had a big year this year she was also in that scream movie that came

SPEAKER_133: out earlier this year and that movie x that sort of indie horror film that was a big hit uh earlier

SPEAKER_256: this year right so she's like a real breakout sort of horror movie scream queen 2022

SPEAKER_763: she'll she's better than christina uh richie well she's also in this richie

SPEAKER_36: richie she's christina richie played a killer wednesday i don't remember when that film came out

SPEAKER_769: the 90s wasn't she awesome for adam's families 90 yeah there were two of those adam's family the

SPEAKER_49: barry sonnenfeld did in the 90s where christina richie was the was wednesday but she's in this

SPEAKER_133: now she plays a teacher in the new show oh really yeah they brought it angelica houston and christopher

SPEAKER_771: lloyd were also in that wow i forgot that's gonna be directed the first four episodes of wednesday

SPEAKER_133: that's the big draw what it's a tim merton jam the first half he directed the first half of the

Jason Calacanis: episode oh i'm in i love it people are loving it it's a little it's like a little young for us is what i've heard because it is that kind of cw vibe but it's definitely playing to the teens i

SPEAKER_42: feel like your 12 year old is gonna go nuts for it uh but you know i i enjoyed it have you liked

SPEAKER_133: veronica mars or riverdale or that kind of show you'll probably like this buffy i'm in buffy sure

SPEAKER_05: exactly i always say we do this every week and every week i'm like i'm gonna watch all of that and then i watch like one show the entire week and the rest of the week i go to bed at nine

SPEAKER_156: some day i've got a nice long list one other christmas movie i was going to mention just

SPEAKER_42: because i feel like it gets it gets buried under the radar and it's it's older on netflix so it doesn't come up in 2019 netflix released an animated film called claws or klaus i guess it's klaus oh yeah yeah with uh jk simmons did a voice jason schwartzman it's sort of like a uh origin story for santa claus like it's trying to sort of re a prequel to like the the santa claus myth and where santa came from the animation is incredible as you can even see from here the animation is awesome and really

SPEAKER_133: different and interesting looking but it's a really cool story too i really liked this movie so this

SPEAKER_106: would be a good one for kids on around christmas too well i'm going to go to my movies and films to watch and i'm adding claws and i'm adding what was your rom-com the holiday oh the holiday

SPEAKER_790: keep it together it's classic it's so good what about it's a wonderful life should i introduce that

SPEAKER_772: to the kid girls wonderful life do the christmas story do you guys watch the christmas story you

Jason Calacanis: know how they run that out for 24 hours on christmas day we always watch that at least three times

SPEAKER_792: with the bb gun and put your tongue yeah ralphie and shooting right the bb gun i think if kids

SPEAKER_23: watch that they immediately take their tongue and they put it on a pole outside i know i feel like

SPEAKER_794: yeah i feel like it's a wonderful life is the right message you want them to be you want them to be

SPEAKER_789: women don't you you want to be tough i don't want to take them to the hospital with a ripton nick is

SPEAKER_798: like elf hello don't worry nick elf is just like i said specifically exclude elf because we know elf

SPEAKER_299: is a yeah that's the obvious don't don't say the most obvious because i would say gremlins too but everybody knows gremlins and nightmare before christmas but it's true gremlins occurred

SPEAKER_23: during this is a christmas movie oh by the way christmas movie it's scary when i was in dallas i was looking for art house theaters because i wanted to see the new spielberg film

SPEAKER_308: i couldn't get anybody to go with me 20 people at thanksgiving not one person wants to go see this film with me i want to go this is why i wanted to go i would if i was in la lawn would have went with me

SPEAKER_806: i would have gone and i look at the movie theater and they have a gremlins

SPEAKER_522: experience where during the film they like rocky horror picture show do a gremlins interactive movie wow experience and so they have a thing where it's alamo draft house does oh sure yeah this sounds like that a gremlins movie party and it's happening like every couple of weeks and it sells out

SPEAKER_546: so here is uh yeah here is what it says uh wait hold on i gotta find the copy here all right here it is

SPEAKER_62: joe dante's gremlins continues to be a pop culture sensation with its darkly funny story of a small town guy who receives my mother which is amazing uh he um a morgue a mogwai a mogwai mogwai yes

SPEAKER_00: at our gremlins movie party we won't let you tear the place apart or ruin our electronics but we'll have all kinds of fun props available to help you get in the action including paper planes to throw around during the kitchen fight and masks so you can choose team spike or team gizmo we just

SPEAKER_106: ask that you follow simple rules don't get a mogwai mogwai wet don't expose us to bright light

SPEAKER_184: don't feed it after midnight there's because there's that there's a part in gremlins where they take over

SPEAKER_182: a movie theater so i'm sure the idea is when the gremlins are going crazy in the movie theater you go crazy in the theater too i'm sure that's i wonder if they have that at the one in the mission i mean

SPEAKER_174: that sounds so fun i'll just end with this quick story in brooklyn the fort way theater kids in

SPEAKER_108: brooklyn are poorly behaved saturday afternoon ish we go see rocky i don't know if it's rocky or rocky 2.

SPEAKER_816: it might have been rocky three with uh rushing that's what i think it's rocky two four four is dolph lundgren as uh i think it was number three is mr t is clubber lang got it i think it was

SPEAKER_522: number two so we go we see this movie now this is brooklyn a bunch of teenage kids young adults

SPEAKER_476: you know whatever and you know this is a very intense movie so everybody starts chanting rocky rocky some buddy jumps up on their seat they start throwing popcorn and right as this kid throws popcorn you're like you know there's gonna be a spark in the riot somebody's like sit the you know f dad this is brooklyn in the 80s and i kid you not somebody throws a full big gulp at this kid's head

SPEAKER_425: and it makes perfect contact this kid and everybody around him gets drenched at which point the two ushers come in what's going on here flashlights and then everybody takes their drinks and popcorn and simultaneously throws it at everybody sure and the movie theater is pure chaos for the last 10 minutes they can't stop it they call the cops they put the lights on and then

SPEAKER_106: eventually they stop the film it was a freaking riot hilarious well i think we got towards the end it was i think we're at the end of the film but they kind of turned the lights on real quick and the police

SPEAKER_308: showed up like everybody added the theater i have never been covered in so much popcorn and drinks

SPEAKER_824: and had was one of the best experiences i mean listen you're seeing a rock that's fun as hell

SPEAKER_546: that's that's that it was so fun so fun don't go to the movies in brooklyn if you don't want the

SPEAKER_179: gremlins interactive experience it had to have been three or four because you were too young i feel

SPEAKER_408: like rocky this was 81 to 84. it's three i bet it's clever lang mr t i bet it's probably 81 to 85 i know

SPEAKER_106: i was like a young adult and the movie theater eventually became a flea market uh and now is a

SPEAKER_308: like chinese food market sure yeah they all these big movie theaters and it was one theater originally then when i was a kid it moved to three and five yeah right when i was growing up movie theaters

SPEAKER_133: used to have one or two screens and that was it there was there was no multiplex that's not what

SPEAKER_522: they did was they took the balcony and cut it in half kept the front of the theater that was there

SPEAKER_308: one and then the two balconies got cut into theaters two and three pretty smart move yeah all right

SPEAKER_793: everybody thanks a lot my thanks i love having the show went far too long but but we're not sorry

Jason Calacanis: all right and next up is of course it's friday it is so we got okay boomer rachel's talking to alex

SPEAKER_05: banks the founder of uh the founder behind through the noise and then also the co-founder of tribe scaler through the noise in case you don't know because you are not gen z is a publication that covers startups and vc without the noise see that see what he did there never heard of this publication

Jason Calacanis: through the noise tribe scaler uses ai to help users write better and faster which is all about

SPEAKER_05: creating viral hooks and headlines and rachel and alex talked about how he got interested in the vc and startup space and then his own journey to becoming a founder the gen z's will replace us all forget about ai it's the gen z's you got to watch out for through the noise i'll check it out all right

SPEAKER_843: enjoy everybody enjoy okay boomer i understood the assignment today on this segment of okay boomer

SPEAKER_845: uh for those of you who are living under a rock alex is crazy big over on twitter he's at the alex banks but i actually did find him on twitter i found him through a great newsletter behind uh he's you know the writer behind through the noise and through the noise is a publication it covers startups and vc without the noise and i found out you're also a co-founder you're the co-founder of tribe scaler and tribe scaler uses ai to help people write better and faster especially if they're looking to create those viable hooks and headlines and it works in seconds and when i found out you were a founder too

SPEAKER_848: i knew you had to come on the show so again thank you so much for joining me rachel it's my pleasure so i think first things first we need to dive into how do you get into this space like i know we're around the same age um and it looks like you when i did some stocking it looks like you kind of jumped right in uh right after university after you did your master's i started my degree at imperial back

SPEAKER_852: in september 2021 and realized that look i am going down this traditional route which i thought i was dead set on i had my sort of path mapped out i wanted to pursue it with you know ultimate passion but then i realized a few months in that okay hang on what if there was a different path perhaps the side door that could accelerate and perhaps compress timelines and from there i realized man this game of creating content is something that i want to be part of so back in january i stepped foot in the world of twitter writing all things finance frameworks and startups and really haven't looked back since for uh since rachel it's been a one one heck of a ride wow and did you do anything like when

SPEAKER_848: you were younger that was like entrepreneurial why why finance i feel like starting a newsletter isn't necessarily something and becoming um honestly i can feel like i can label you as like a writer at this point that doesn't seem like a very notful path it doesn't it doesn't and to be to be counted

SPEAKER_852: with you you know finance and this concept of money was something that i've been enamored with for uh for uh well since a very young age i remember being six years old and in my primary school library there was this big book hardback all on money and i remember that you could only rent out for one week at a time and i made sure that i'd be every kid to the line in that library queue each week to be the first one to get it because i was just fascinated with you know what is this foreign foreign object to me that at the time you know i had my little piggy bank and i sort of saw it right rise as i got my little bit of pocket change throughout the years but i thought you know what is this what is this commodity and you know over the years you know you you learn to respect it it's you know um very much uh a wonderful force to you know satisfy wants and needs and ultimately unlock a lot of opportunity and experience in life and i think that's what what it's all about so from then a very young age to now you know studying economics and then finance to then going to i guess appreciate it from a high level and go right you know how can i use attention to get capital and ultimately unlock a lot of economic opportunity and i'm sure that's one of what we'll go on and and chat about with with respect to you know tribe scaler through the noise um and seeing uh

SPEAKER_857: seeing a lot of um a lot of opportunity there that is that is yet to be untapped got you and if i'm

SPEAKER_855: correct through the noise came before uh tribe scaler cracked yeah yeah so here's here's the funny thing

SPEAKER_852: both of them were actually running in tandem from since the start so i began creating in january of 2022 and you know i i immediately realized look there is an abundance of information online right and signal is more important than ever in an era where we're overloaded with content you know if we think about all these short-term dopamine driven feedback loops that are ever present in our world right now you know tick tocks reels everything in between where whilst they can be an excellent force for good and you know education they're here to entertain they can also if used incorrectly you know that they they can do some do do some bad things so i think my impetus to start through the noise was going look there is this abundance of information online how can i give you the signal my dissected thoughts and pieces one time a week in the essence of a newsletter and give that to you delivered straight to your inbox in a sort of two to three minute read you know this is my learnings that i'm going as a as a as a founder and as a creator and if i can share that to a group of like-minded individuals who are in the same boat and i can help shorten their time frames then i can

SPEAKER_862: put my head down at ease at night rachel i love that that's super awesome and i noticed that you

SPEAKER_848: use beehive and i've been talking about beehive for a while on this podcast i think it's so interesting um that somebody has not only come out of morning brew which feels like the masters at newsletters but coming in now um you know really shooken up the world of um the other newsletter platforms out there and it feels like it almost came out of nowhere have you always been on beehive or were you

SPEAKER_852: originally on a different platform you know i actually wasn't i started with twitter's native newsletter platform yes yeah and i think whilst it is an excellent facilitator a frictionless facilitator of acquiring new subscribers i ultimately don't think that the infrastructure they have is suited to you know ultimately scaling and growing a a real newsletter so you know they they have this wonderful integration where you can have a one-click sign up with your twitter profile which is wonderful for capturing that sort of top of the funnel subscriber base but if you want an actual an actual platform to design and scale through you know recommendations and having a great mechanism and writing board to actually you know ideate and create on then you know beehive is absolutely the the place to go and i say that out of no affiliation but pure splendor and enjoyment for using the product like i've got huge amounts of value from using it and their recommendation features and yeah that would be my my my number one recommendation to anyone who's thinking about starting a newsletter in that look perhaps you can use the best of both use the review integration on twitter start capturing all of these all of these subscribers and then create on beehive and uh share

SPEAKER_848: what you love okay so you think that's a good strategy then i guess we do um we have a review newsletter that goes out once a week for the speaking startups and i've noticed that the clicks it gets it's so interesting how big the reach is and the same thing goes for linkedin's newsletter plugin i actually love that you're saying that so like grow on one platform and then when you want to get a little bit more creative with it maybe switch to something that offers a little bit more in that sector and you do call yourself a creator is there any other platform that um you create on or is the newsletter really like your main thing i know like harry stebbings for example is like huge on tick tock now too which is really cool to see are you on any other platform yeah no listen i started twitter

SPEAKER_852: native i've gone onto the newsletter and i think video is going to be my next adventure so i actually i actually just uploaded my first my first tick tock and short today so i'm going to be using using some similar growth strategies that i employed with with twitter and seeing where we go over the next

SPEAKER_871: year so i'm super excited for all things short form video and seeing where we land that is so cool and

SPEAKER_848: then um moving on to your the other side of you which is tribe scalar i love this idea i'm really excited by ai i know a ton of people it's a pretty i didn't know that it was a uh i guess a controversial topic i've always been a fan of dscript and dscript is what i used to edit my podcast we don't use it at the speaking startups um but i used it when i had my own personal one and they came out with an ai integration and it rocked and that was kind of like my first intro being like oh my gosh this is so freaking helpful so when i saw tribe scaler i was like great like writing copy um obviously like they always say if you go to a marketing class for especially doing videos and short form content they say like that first sentence right off the bat if you're saying a tick tock like what is that hook and having tribes killer there to you know help make those um better and faster is really interesting um who did you co-found this with and why sure i'll give you a little bit of a breakdown so

SPEAKER_852: paul graham famously said that look the best way to get startup ideas is not to try to think of startup ideas it's actually to look for problems preferably problems that you have yourself and i think for me when i started creating content on twitter back in january you know getting eyeballs on your social media content is extremely difficult extremely difficult you know i would hit publish and my tweets would sit in the dark for for days and to say the least you know i struggle for the first four months creating online and even if you write the greatest content on the internet you'll still face the same challenge which is how can i get it seen by millions whereas looking back it's actually quite easy to see why so in december 2021 is sort of where i sort of started this uh creating passions i was i was almost i was doing a little bit too much gear gathering rachel you know i was sort of you know how can i have my systems in place my frameworks in place to sort of write great content when actually i should have just dived straight in in the deep end which i did back in january anyway i decided to try my handwriting on twitter and you know i was totally crowded by imposter syndrome um you know i i was i'd been lurking for the years prior and shortly after i made that switch from consumer to creator i crossed paths with a fellow alex alexander lievark he's he's from uh from from norway i mean the internet is such a wonderful facilitator of of relationships anyway both of us we knew the platform yet i was immediately blown away by his data expertise and deep knowledge of ai needless to say we got on like a house on fire and you know we we both shared this deep curiosity for what made the original gangsters of twitter blow up right yeah five thousand likes ten thousand likes fifty thousand likes you know what was the secret sauce to virality and ultimately i wanted it and that was when the aha moment kicked in in that look the hook for your content is the most important factor in in its success right if you have a mediocre hook and great content your content will just sit in the dark if you have a great hook and mediocre content then your content will get some eyeballs but you're not following through yeah if you have a great hook and great content that's the wombo combo that's what you're looking for so the hook is the ultimate factor whether your thread succeeds or fails that's with respect to twitter it might be a youtube video it might be an email newsletter it might be the headline and so that was when alexander and i ultimately sat down and go look what what product or at least what form will this take so we spoke to hundreds of friends on twitter i was lucky enough to have met some fascinating um and wonderful creators and we we we sat down got the drawing board and uh ultimately released tribescaler back in mid-september so we're two and a half months in and we're very much um our sort of big picture vision to cut a long story short is to ultimately build the first digital second brain combining your notes with ai so how can we be a facilitator of your unique perspective not just the ais but your all your notes all your resources all your ideas that you've collected throughout time how can we amalgamate these and allow you to share them with ultimate pleasure and efficiency and layer ai into that to make it way

SPEAKER_848: way quicker and way better so are people currently using tribe scaler for creating their tweets

SPEAKER_852: especially those threads correct yeah so um we've just passed 200 200 customers which has been super super cool to see um and we've got uh yeah people uh people are writing their their hooks with it their tweets with it we're going across to linkedin content creation as well so we're exploring

SPEAKER_878: these different adjacent markets that we can find our way into gotcha that's super interesting i love

SPEAKER_848: seeing things like you're not trying to take i think when people are afraid of ai i think a lot of times it's because they don't want a computer to take that complete creative control so i like that you guys are kind of not going about it as saying like this is a tool in your toolbox this isn't like something that is a replacement it's it's a supplement it's something that can help your content be even

SPEAKER_857: better 100 we we see it to augment your creativity not replace it yeah and i i definitely see uh that

SPEAKER_848: happening on linkedin it's funny that you say that because i think linkedin gets a bad rap i personally don't do anything on linkedin but i do see like these massive massive uh stories of growth happening over there and it's funny because i as much as i say i don't like love linkedin i'm a very big advocate i'm like like linkedin so cringy it's so cheesy but from like a growth perspective i've had to use linkedin and like pretty aggressively had to use linkedin in college and yeah every job search you have you know what i mean it's kind of like that aggressive push on linkedin and it's one of those social media sites like if anybody's ever been unemployed you know how often um you're checking linkedin you know waiting looking for that next job so the eyeballs that are going to linkedin those are a different level of dialed in compared to twitter where if i'm on twitter i'm kind of passively scrolling but if i'm looking at something from a career perspective i can imagine having things like a good hook where i'm really dialed into that person's content that matters like immensely and for for tribe scale you guys said you recently hit um over 200 customers that's awesome what's

SPEAKER_852: your business model yeah so we are currently consumer sass so we have a subscription model that we're that we're running at the moment with a couple of plans um one is grow the other is pro well obviously grow you have x number of credits that you can use each month to generate content and pro is uh an infinite amount so you can you can hit generate all you like and you can get endless ideas sparking your your creative output um and at least of how we see that how we see that growing rachel we're you know big advocates for increasing your at least increasing the bang for the buck that you get so expanding our suite of tools that you can use and employ for your creative output whether that be you know something as small as writing a tweet to something as big as being informed on the global markets right how can we tailor these tailor these these pieces to an to a very select persona from

SPEAKER_857: you know content creating all the way to you know perhaps uh uh even a trading floor down the line

SPEAKER_848: yeah i could even see this happening or being a great tool i go to like cpg websites for example all the time and the copy that's used and the hook that's even used on websites has been something that has been increasingly on my mind lately because i'm always saying it's not just the packaging anymore it's like what like the next step like after the packaging is good and after you know that consumer product like really shows like okay this is usable what are they saying um and i think really great kind of uh like unique company that does this is my brothers wear these shorts they're called bird dogs um and they're just funny they have a really funny um they have really funny taglines over on their social media i know maybe maybe it's not even their social media team doing it but i do notice that creators at least that are promoting bird dogs are really funny and it's all with that first sentence where i'm like yeah they're just out of pocket so excited to see where this is going on so many different aspects and if people wanted to find you or find tribe scaler um where would they go

SPEAKER_852: yeah so tribe scaler's at tribe scaler on all socials and if you want to get in touch with me

SPEAKER_848: i'm at the alex banks on most platforms amazing alex thank you so much for joining and like i said super

SPEAKER_857: fun to see where this all goes rachel it's been a real pleasure joining you today cheers