SPEAKER_00: All right, everybody, welcome to This Week in Startups and This Week in Streaming. We have an awesome Thursday show for you.

SPEAKER_01: All right. Yeah. First up, Amazon has bought One Medical, and this is a really interesting trade. We're trying to understand in this M&A, why did Amazon buy One Medical?

SPEAKER_03: Was it for their employees or was it for something else? Was it for you and me?

SPEAKER_04: And then, you know, it is Thursday, so we had to have Lon Harris on the show.

Jason Calacanis: We're still trying to pick a show. So let us know in the This Week in Startups community on Twitter what you think we should watch. We think we have some ideas, but we're going to kick around some Zack Snyder bot craziness,

SPEAKER_07: Lon's thoughts on Netflix's path forward.

SPEAKER_08: And I make Lon an offer he cannot refuse to write the pilot episode and the show Bible

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SPEAKER_01: All right, Molly, what's in the news? I saw some big Amazon news go across the wire.

SPEAKER_17: Some big Amazon news and big kind of like, I don't know, health startup news.

Jason Calacanis: Amazon has acquired the concierge network of in-person clinics and telehealth, One Medical for $3.9 billion. Wow. So everybody knew it was like going to be shopping season. I think you've been saying that for a while. We talked about it, right?

SPEAKER_20: Peloton. We talked about BuzzFeed.

SPEAKER_14: We didn't talk about One Medical, but it was another stock that had been crushed, right?

SPEAKER_22: Mm-hmm.

Jason Calacanis: Absolutely crushed, which is so surprising because like telehealth became such a big thing, but they also had the in-person clinics. They've just been maybe kind of struggling to, you know, keep people paying and coming in. One Medical said it's the largest independent practice in the US, direct-to-consumer medical model with 8,000 business clients. It offers its own services to its employees. And Amazon, as we know, has actually been talking for a while about trying to get into the health game and specifically about trying to like offer health services to its own employees. I doubt they spent $4 billion just to give this to their own employees, but maybe. No way.

David Friedberg: No, no. What this really is about is about drugs because you've now interviewed two of the online drug

SPEAKER_01: companies. Amazon has a pharmacy, I believe, and this is an important business. And again, remember I said Jeff Bezos wants to run for president. And they talked about Mark Cuban maybe wanting to run for president. If you could solve the drug problem, that's a pretty great chip in, you know, a checkbox for Americans to get votes. Yeah. Because Americans are suffering and we suck at buying medicine, it seems, and it seems to be some kind of racket going on here. So again, Amazon, Jeff Bezos is running for president. I'm 100% sure of it. This would be a nice little checkbox here. And if they gave the best healthcare in the world to their employees, all those factory workers, if they got one medical, now all of a sudden the Bernie Sanders critique, right? And the Elizabeth Warren critique, oh my God, oligarchs, whatever, you know, plutocracy. It's like, well, our employees have the best healthcare and you couldn't get it done in government.

SPEAKER_26: So we figured out a free market solution to healthcare.

SPEAKER_00: That'll definitely make the oligarchy conversation go away. Like, well, anyway, yeah, I don't know why you're calling people oligarchs for building

SPEAKER_29: businesses in a democracy. Oligarchs are a different thing, Molly, but okay, fine.

SPEAKER_31: I don't know what's going on in Oakland with everybody out there. Maybe that, maybe, maybe that's what happens.

SPEAKER_33: You know, you're going to have a friend of mine that wants to start a podcast called American oligarchs. I'm like, that is a great show.

SPEAKER_10: Oh, American oligarchs, that's what I'm going to call my new, uh, that's going to be a new series coming from Jason Calacanis Productions. That's a great name for a streaming series. It definitely is. American oligarchs, okay.

SPEAKER_14: American oligarchs. Sorry, Lyndon. But anyway, so what this is about.

SPEAKER_07: But yes, I mean, is this an add-on to Amazon Prime? Like what?

SPEAKER_03: Yes, you nailed it, Molly.

SPEAKER_10: You, you get Amazon Prime, you nailed it. Imagine you have Amazon Prime and they say, hey, Amazon Prime includes, uh, the

SPEAKER_01: ability to do a consultation with a doctor for this group of medicines, just like hims, hers, Roman, you know, uh, wisp, which we were, we're investors in all of these online services. You're going to be able to, with Amazon through one medical, do a consultation. If you're an Amazon Prime member and get yourself, you know, Viagra, um, you know, uh, any of the medicines that people don't want to go to the pharmacy for it. Cause they're embarrassing, uh, UTI medicines. That's what wisp does. Um, maybe this morning after pill or your, um, hepatitis, uh, medicine, all those things that people felt, you know, maybe a little embarrassed to go talk to a doctor about now. That's all going to be telemedicine or in, um, what do you call it? Like chat, chat sessions. And so that's how all those services work. And in fact, we did, did we talk about in the program that somebody was giving out beta blockers or other, there was some controversy, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_14: What was it? It was that, uh, that company that, um, they were, they were doing the medicines that you

SPEAKER_46: probably shouldn't do, like cerebral, cerebral, cerebral, thank you for, so anyway, you nailed

SPEAKER_10: it.

SPEAKER_01: Now, Amazon prime, you're going to get your Lord of the rings series. You get the boys, whatever you get, two day delivery down to two hour delivery, yada, yada. Uh, I think they give you some storage and some music stuff or whatever, but who cares? Um, and now you're going to get telemedicine and they'll probably have an upsell Amazon prime health where I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon goes directly at solving, you know, the HMO kind of service or just pick like, I dunno, urgent care, whatever.

SPEAKER_48: And they, and they're understanding retail. So this is also about Amazon trying to understand retail. These are retail clinics, right? So now if they were branded Amazon, you know, Amazon doesn't, doesn't fear the real world. Do they, who fears the real world, Google, Facebook, sorry, Meta and Apple, they don't want anything to do with the real world. They don't do real world stuff.

SPEAKER_17: They're scared of stores, but yeah, barely, but they don't, it's not like they're doing those delivery of food. They're like the DMV, right? They're not like, they're not a giant logistics platform, which is what Apple is, which is what Amazon is and which ultimately is what healthcare is, right? It is a logistics issue fundamentally.

Jason Calacanis: Yeah. I mean, this is, you know, producer, Nick asked the question, like, is Amazon building the super app in plain sight and the super app is Amazon prime.

SPEAKER_48: Amazon prime has always been the driver. Pretty much. Yeah. When you meet, I know people who've worked at Amazon, they say, when you make a decision inside of Amazon, the Amazon prime team will get the veto on it. So you want to do something fun or whatever. It's like, how is this going to affect prime subscribers? Is it going to increase prime subscribers, decrease prime subscribers? Every acquisition is looked through the lens of Amazon prime I'm told from insiders.

SPEAKER_10: Yeah. So when they bought whole foods, the whole discussion was how many whole foods customers are Amazon prime customers?

SPEAKER_01: How do we get people to sign up for Amazon prime in the stores? I understand. I haven't experienced it because I don't shop for myself anymore. You know, we do online ordering, but whole foods, when you go to the store, I understand they sign you up for prime and prime has something to do with the experience. And when I search for food items, it directs me to whole foods on the Amazon interface. So anyway, it's all about prime. And then what about apple? They're doing all this work on the apple watch. They care about healthcare all this much. Supposedly they're going to, you know, they've been trying to think about glucose monitors, you know, or, um, temperature monitoring, your body temperature, sleep. Where are they, you know, like this would be the perfect experience for them. Yeah. You know, blood testing, telemedicine, but they're not bold enough. So they're not going to do it.

Jason Calacanis: They're just not, I know, I mean, I keep, you know, I'm, it's like getting a little boring talking about what apple could do with its giant pile of cash, because the fact is apple doesn't seem to be inclined to do anything except for, you know, sell more iphones.

SPEAKER_01: iPhone 14, new AirPods, whatever. Yeah. So, uh, I am enamored. I mean, like I was with whole foods with this.

Jason Calacanis: If Amazon started charging me $500 a year instead of 130 and it included one medical,

SPEAKER_28: which I used to have. And I fricking loved, loved. What did you love about it as a customer? What was what you loved about it?

Jason Calacanis: It's a beautiful office. You would just, they all have parking. You make an appointment on the app. You could always get an appointment like pretty quickly. They give you enough time when you're there. It's like an hour long appointment, which I almost never used. And everybody I ever met with was super competent. Like, I don't have an ongoing health issue. It would just be like, I need to go in. Cause like I busted my toe or like there's some. Whatever. You need a Z pack. You got the flu or whatever. Yeah. Right. And so it was just like, oh yeah, here you go. And here's a lovely experience. A doctor who has enough time with you. A beautiful office. A place to park. The end.

SPEAKER_17: See, in other words,

SPEAKER_39: they were catering to the customer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: As opposed to catering to the insurance company. Totally. This is the key. Amazon is relentlessly focused on your consumer experience. One click, two day delivery. Do you want everything in one box and you'll get it two days later? Or do you want to get three boxes, but get it a couple of days earlier?

SPEAKER_48: And you've got to like deal with three boxes. Like that's the level that they're thinking about the customer experiences. Like, which is better for you, Molly open one box and get it on Thursday or open two boxes and get it on Wednesday, Thursday. Like what business gives you that level of choice? Right. It's insane. Now, if they bring that to healthcare and medicine, it could change everything in the United States. And I am for a free market solution. I think we should, in the United States, go one of two ways. We give everybody in the country, the most kick ass, best health benefits in the world. You walk into any clinic and it's better than Canada. It's better than any other country. We're number one at health. And then companies have nothing to do with it. I don't have to provide health benefits anymore. None of the stars we invest in have to,

SPEAKER_10: we just pay a little more taxes and the government makes it like a really core competency. And they, we, we hold them to a high standard or it should be a free market solution.

SPEAKER_00: And right now I have a lovely combination of neither. Exactly. And right now the worst parts of neither.

SPEAKER_01: If you're rich, you get the best. If you're poor, you get screwed. If you work for a company, they have the thumb over you. We're like, oh, if you leave, your kids don't have the healthcare. You got to get new doctors.

SPEAKER_00: It's just stupid. Yeah. It's like a work or you die. It's a work or you die system. It's just amazing. So if Amazon makes it, you know, Which I kind of like in a way,

SPEAKER_77: like you should be, you should go to work. I mean, I don't know if you should work or die. That's a little dramatic, but I do like the idea that you go to work, everybody. Reel it in there, VP. Listen, I'm not, I didn't take any red pills,

SPEAKER_29: but sacks before the show. But there's like six or seven million people in the country. If they got back to work, it would be accretive to our productivity.

SPEAKER_10: Okay. I just meeting young people who are 25 years old and their parents are still subsidizing them.

SPEAKER_00: Message to the parents of America. Stop subsidizing your goddamn kids. Sink or swim. Message to the companies of America. Rages haven't gone up in 40 years. Oh, they have hogwash.

SPEAKER_87: No, they have not.

SPEAKER_88: Yes, they have. Amazon has kept up with inflation for 40 years.

SPEAKER_90: Well, now you're bringing up inflation. Okay. Yes. Amazon pays much more than the minimum wage. If, if Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren want the minimum wage.

SPEAKER_07: There's not a single $15 an hour is still like, if you do the math, that's still.

SPEAKER_10: It's actually now 18 to 25, by the way. And for an entry level job, that's pretty good. I'm not saying that's good for somebody who's been in the workforce for 10 years, but for your first job, pretty good, I think. And people who work there love it.

SPEAKER_15: For your first job. Sure. But for the jobs that are available in America right now, like, and you have to get an apartment and there's not a single

SPEAKER_07: state in the country where you can afford an apartment on minimum wage. And adding that $6 a month or an hour or whatever is not. I'm just saying. Yeah. It's going to be. There's a reason that people are like.

SPEAKER_01: That job should be one of the three incomes in the household. Right? That's the other thing is everybody wants to live in their own apartment. You know, the, for people who are on the entry level, you usually have two or

SPEAKER_10: three, you should have two or three, four incomes per household. And then you're splitting that cost. Right? So if there's two entry level people, one with a, you know, medium kind of job,

SPEAKER_01: and then one with an upper job that then all of a sudden it blends and that, you know, that's the other piece of this. But anyway, let's, let's not argue. Anyway. All right. Everything's getting better.

SPEAKER_102: America's awesome. America's, uh, I love Amazon.

SPEAKER_103: I own zero as of this point in time in the podcast episode.

SPEAKER_48: I do not, I'm not a shareholder in Amazon at this point in time in the episode. I'm not saying there could be a J trade later in the episode, but at this moment in time, while you're listening to the episode, there's no J trade here, but Lon Harris is coming on next. I'm going to keep talking about Amazon.

SPEAKER_110: All right, let's, let's kick it over to Lon. All right, Lon, get on here.

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David Friedberg: Hey, everybody. It's Thursday and we're here for a little This Week in Startups and This Week in Streaming episode. Lon Harris is here and Molly Wood, of course.

SPEAKER_118: Hey, Lon. Hey, Molly. How is everybody doing? Pretty good. Welcome back, Lon. Thanks. Great to be here.

SPEAKER_119: It's been a few weeks. Um, we have lots of news to talk about in the streaming world. Lots of news. It's very exciting.

SPEAKER_01: But I did want to, at the top of the show, just let people know there's a J-Trade coming based on Lon Harris's feedback. I may place a 25-50k bink based on Lon Harris's advice here. Oh my gosh. And, uh, second. Don Paniglon. Don Paniglon. Wow.

SPEAKER_95: It's just, you know, I'm just asking you to pick a number at the roulette wheel for me.

SPEAKER_10: Dude. But Lon, did you hear that there is a Bitcoin queen on the FBI's top 10 list? Yes.

SPEAKER_126: Did you hear about this? I believe I have heard. Yes. I think I have heard about this. All right.

David Friedberg: I've had aspirations to do a short film or maybe a, uh, a series, right? Mm-hmm. Sure. Jason Calacanis production, if you will.

SPEAKER_128: Yeah.

SPEAKER_129: It does feel that the, the landscape feels right for some of these crazy Bitcoin crypto

SPEAKER_130: stories to start becoming shows and films, I think. Got it.

David Friedberg: And so just to make it easier, should we, I want to commission you to write a script, like either a first episode or commission you to write a short, but I think a first episode,

SPEAKER_133: like a pilot. Uh, usually I feel like you'd have a pilot and a show Bible.

SPEAKER_134: So like, here's the pilot script and then here's what we think would happen for the rest of season one. Here's an outline of the, you hear the five or six main characters, like that kind of stuff. Here's the tone.

SPEAKER_133: Here's the other shows we're thinking about that would inspire the look. This takes, uh, this would take what? 50 hours, a hundred hours. I mean, if I'm writing a full pile, like it's an hour long drama pilot script.

SPEAKER_129: That's a, that's, yeah, that's, uh, that's some time. That's, that's a few weeks. A couple of weeks. That's yeah. That's, that's three, that's three or four weeks of my time. And then, uh, you know, like another week or two for the show Bible. Got it.

SPEAKER_135: Okay.

SPEAKER_129: Well, we could figure something. Here's my idea.

SPEAKER_137: I would say five or six weeks all in for, for the whole thing. Got it. Okay. In Jason's world, that's a month.

SPEAKER_139: Well, yeah. People tell me it takes six weeks. I'm like, great. I'll, I'll talk to you. That's a lot of writing. It's a lot of writing itself.

SPEAKER_143: The dialogue is like, that's where it, like a show Bible I could knock out for you. Got it.

SPEAKER_139: So my question to you is now that I know the scope here, do you think it should be as

SPEAKER_20: accurate as possible to her story? Or do you think she, we should be inspired by her story?

SPEAKER_148: Uh, so we have more room to, I mean, I would have to do, I would have to dig in a little

SPEAKER_134: and see how, like, how juicy is the story? Do I feel like we need to ramp this up to make it TV worthy or is it already? But my inclination is you always want to cue as close to reality as you can. Okay. Like, I feel like people have that little radar for like, ah, this feels like an invention as

SPEAKER_130: opposed to just give me the facts.

SPEAKER_20: Mollie, I think the premise of the matriarch who ran a crazy Bitcoin scam and got away with

SPEAKER_10: it as a jumping off point. You have, how did that, how did she get to it to get onto the FBI's list? And then you have, how did she go on the lamb and get away from the FBI?

SPEAKER_154: Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_39: So you've got three different time periods, Mollie. Yeah. You got chapters built in. You got chapters here.

SPEAKER_156: And they're all fascinating to me, like, who is this person? And how do they wind up being on the FBI's most wanted list? What's the backstory?

SPEAKER_141: Yeah. And also, it's a great opportunity to do that Scorsese, like, take this one person's

SPEAKER_134: case in this one person story, but give you the inside. Like, if you're just a regular person, like, here's how these crypto scams sort of function, like, give the bird's eye view of like, this is what's going on. All right. Yeah.

Jason Calacanis: So this is funny because we were talking right before the show started. And before you got on Jason about portrayal of typing and hackers and things like that

SPEAKER_33: in movies and how hard that is to pull off.

Jason Calacanis: And so, yeah, you've got to have this like really glamorous crypto queen and her typing has got to be like, she's got like, I've got this way too long manicure right now.

SPEAKER_57: Nothing can happen on the screen is the basic point.

SPEAKER_156: Well, nothing happens on a computer screen. That's interesting. And, you know, in hackers, they're running with a skateboard, you know, on roller blades with a, with a 3.5 inch floppy. Yeah, that stuff is nonsense. We just want this to be about who introduced her crypto and all the personalities that helped to pull up the scam.

SPEAKER_134: Yeah, this is the, I mean, I feel like this is the format is the, the Scorsese stuff. The like, it's a criminal empire. It just happens to be crypto instead of, you know, blow or whatever the, in the other movies, but it's, it's just the rise and fall of the cartel. Yes. Story.

SPEAKER_156: Correct. So, you know, obviously Breaking Bad, Sicario, Goodfellas. I mean, Ozark.

SPEAKER_48: Yeah. Ozark. There's a lot of like, uh, ideas around here, but I think also having it be a little bit funny could be interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_134: And like a Mr. Robot angle as well, where I think you're digging into the personality of this person and you're getting, you're getting into the psychology of it too. Mr. Robot.

SPEAKER_177: That's a good, that's a good, uh, starting point. So if I offer you five, five dimes to do this, would that be acceptable?

SPEAKER_179: I think, I think we're off to, I think we're off to the races with that. Yeah, I think that's a good step. All right.

SPEAKER_10: So somebody ship, one of my people ship a lawn, $5,000 to do this, uh,

SPEAKER_180: it gets the writing credit, whatever he needs. All right.

SPEAKER_156: And, uh, I'm going to send you half the money up front so that you're on the hook. You agree to do this. And then when you come on for this week in streaming, just give us a little update

SPEAKER_175: where like questions or thoughts, the audience gets to go along. I'll start this weekend on the research.

SPEAKER_183: Cause that's, I'm going to have to take like a few days to figure out, you know, read the story and figure out my, my sort of take, but.

SPEAKER_156: Cause I got all these connections in the streaming world, uh, that want to work on reality stuff. So I could just, once we have this package and the audience here kind of digs it,

SPEAKER_60: then I'm just going to bring it to somebody and say, Hey, let's, I'll find some producing partner.

SPEAKER_188: I love it. I'll start, I'll start breaking down, uh, down, uh, an outline this weekend. Sure.

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SPEAKER_10: All right. First up though, we got to talk about what's happening in dreaming. Zack Snyder, you know, made filmmaker of the justice league,

SPEAKER_53: which I like the Snyder cut. If I'm being honest, more than the original, I'll level with you.

SPEAKER_134: I did too. I've been very down on this whole thing all along, but look, it's a much better

SPEAKER_130: version of that movie than the one that they released in theaters years ago.

SPEAKER_03: Okay. So what's going on here, Molly? Can you take this up to the news?

SPEAKER_07: And, and honestly, this is not news to us at all. Because the lawn already told us straight up this headline.

Jason Calacanis: And then Rolling Stone just got around to it earlier this week,

SPEAKER_15: reporting that the hashtag release of the Snyder cut movement might, might have been fueled by people on the internet who were not real people. What? But it was bots all along.

Jason Calacanis: And actually, and this is where it gets kind of dishy though, is that some insiders think Zack Snyder himself was behind it,

SPEAKER_35: which frankly also doesn't even sound that surprising. Yeah.

SPEAKER_134: Two, two caveats. It's, it's fueled by, but like not people were mistaking it as like all the people tweeting about the Snyder cut were bots. And that's not true. I think there's. Oh, no. That's never the case.

SPEAKER_141: I think there's like 13% of the tweets were coming from bots. It was just a, there were obviously nefarious forces egging this on.

SPEAKER_134: Got it. And, and, and artificially prolonging it. Not that there weren't a lot of genuine fans who really did want to see the Snyder cut. That's first. Uh, the other thing is, I think there's a lot of evidence that Zack Snyder took advantage of the existence of this was using it as leverage. Like if somebody was like, no, I don't think we can work with you on this. He'd be like, well, be an awful shame if the internet were to hear about this. I don't know. Some angry fans might let you know about it. And like that kind of, you know, mafia tactics. I think there's less evidence that he organized it personally. Like I don't, there's the Rolling Stone doesn't have a lot of like Zack Snyder personally went on task rabbit and hired a bunch of people to build him a bot army. I think it's probably easier to believe that he discovered this existed and then was like, oh, okay, well I can, I can take advantage of this to get people to do what I want. Hmm. Yeah. Um, which is gross.

SPEAKER_183: And there's a lot of quotes in that article of people saying, yeah, he threatened me like this. And that's kind of gross.

SPEAKER_02: Well, and so do we think he did?

Jason Calacanis: I mean, I guess that's, there are sort of like a lot of pieces of the actual Zack Snyder story in this Rolling Stone piece, right? There's the, like, did he coordinate this? Did he benefit from it? But then also did he apply all this kind of like icky bullying pressure? It's like there's technology and then there's like, how much does this guy sort of suck?

SPEAKER_134: It's kind of hard to make the case that he's not knowingly doing it on some extent. I mean, yesterday he went on Vero, which is his, it's like the Twitter competitor that he prefers. So he posts up to Vero and then people screenshot it and post it to Twitter. Uh, but he posted on Vero this like, very like, like a picture of a Justice League shield, like on the field of battle. And it was like, if I fall, avenge me. If I advance, follow me.

SPEAKER_137: And it's like, he's, he knows what he's doing. He's not an idiot. Like what you referred to as very cool and normal stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_134: Like it's so, and I, and I, I say this and I don't mean he's as bad. I'm not making this comparison in an overall holistic way, but it's Trumpy behavior. It's like, we all know what that is when a guy knows that he's got this very powerful, very aggressive group of followers that he can sort of direct at will against his enemies.

SPEAKER_220: Like we've seen that before.

SPEAKER_08: Yeah. And, but he did this to get the money to finish the film. That was right.

SPEAKER_10: This was a long, it was more money. And were they committed to doing it?

SPEAKER_103: I don't understand why one of the brothers wouldn't want to do this because.

SPEAKER_134: Depending on who you add, like there's a million different versions of this narrative out there, but no Warner brothers initially. Neither, you know, none of these movies were doing that. Well, they were all doing good enough and they had an interest in competing with Marvel. So they kept making them, but Batman V Superman was a disappointment. Justice league was a relative disappointment. They were no longer in the active let's keep this Zack Snyder franchise going. And they were having bigger hits with other properties. Wonder woman, Aquaman, uh, you know, obviously Joker. Um, so I think that he was coming in and he had a small, but very vocal group of people who really loved these movies and wanted this version of the story going. And he found a way to leverage that into eventually getting the studio to free up 40, 60 million more dollars for him to finish his cut and put it out there on HBO max. And that was always the goal. And, you know, I think that it was being pitched to people, it was being pitched to people as this

SPEAKER_141: like strike a blow for artistic freedom.

SPEAKER_134: And I deserve to have my voice heard. It's like, it was never, uh, none of us are ever arguing. Like Warner brothers doesn't have the right to final cut of a justice league movie. Like, of course they do.

SPEAKER_129: You know, that going in when you direct justice league movies.

SPEAKER_01: So on an insider basis, it's a little insincere it's about capitalism. It's not about censorship or anything like that, but people did letter writing campaigns, right? Like, so if somebody got a show was off the air, sometimes the actors on the show, whoever would try to get a letter writing campaign to go back in the day.

SPEAKER_17: Sure. Yeah. And so that seems fair. This doesn't feel particular.

Jason Calacanis: I mean, this doesn't even feel particularly unusual in terms of the way that individuals who want to accomplish something, but also businesses. I mean, everybody like as far back as internet forums or voting, right? It would be like, tell all the employees to go and vote or everybody create an account and do this, right? Like the coordinated activity and hashtag promotion is literally,

SPEAKER_230: you can hire PR firms to do this for you. Sure.

SPEAKER_134: And I mean, we see it all the time with canceled TV shows. There was just that NBC show manifest. That was a big, a big hit. It was a sci-fi series like lost that had cliffhanger endings. And then after three seasons, NBC was just like, ah, we're done with it. It fans were like, no, we got to find out what happened. So Netflix eventually after this heated fan campaign, save manifest and the hashtag Netflix agreed to step in and save it and give it a fourth season. That's not unusual. It was the aggressiveness of this campaign. It was the every tweet Warner Brothers sent for, for years, every tweet that was about any Warner Brothers project would get spammed and inundated. And these, these, these people who are the, the Snyder fans were, were very aggressive and would get hostile. If somebody was like, you know, tweeted, I don't think we really need to see the Snyder cut. Who cares? They would pile on and bully them. Right. And that was where this isn't really a story about using social media as a marketing tool. I don't think it's another story about social media bullying and abuse. And like, and I think that's what, when people are like, it's creepy for Zack Snyder to do that. It's not creepy for Zack Snyder to promote his movie on Twitter. It's creepy for Zack Snyder to back this movement that had this angle to it.

SPEAKER_234: And that was abusing people and harassing people online. Yeah. For years. Yeah. Including me.

SPEAKER_236: They were harassing you. They were getting. Yeah, no, I got, of course. Right. I would, cause I was one of those people that would tweet things, not in an angry political way,

SPEAKER_238: not in an, I hate Zack Snyder want to silence him. I like a lot of Zack Snyder movies.

SPEAKER_207: In a, I don't really care about a director's cut of Justice League. Do we really need that?

SPEAKER_175: Did he do that original zombie film?

SPEAKER_181: He did the remake of Dawn of the Dead. That's fantastic.

SPEAKER_103: I just watched that with my daughter. She loves zombie films. So she swelled. I really liked that movie.

SPEAKER_239: James Gunn wrote that movie too. That was a, that was a key movie. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_39: Yeah. I mean, also, can I ask you, when is 28 months later coming? Are they ever going to make that? Well, they did wait 28, 28 days, 28 weeks. And then they did 28 weeks.

SPEAKER_242: Oh, I, Danny Boyle is so busy. I don't know. He's so busy and this is such a good.

SPEAKER_245: Killian Murphy, Danny Boyle. They got a lot of stuff going on. They got many irons in the fire right now.

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SPEAKER_10: I just got a new amazing alienware computer and I have to say windows is so tight. It's so perfect now. It's so stable that I am loving my new windows laptop. I got to tell you, it's super powerful and really impressed. All right, everybody, you know what to do. Let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_48: Amazon streaming service. Yes. Are they fully committed and all in on this? Uh, because I watched the boys that seemed like a winner to me. I enjoyed it, especially this third season I thought was very good.

SPEAKER_257: They kind of made this whole like Trump versus Hillary kind of, you know, MAGA kind of. They're very good at, they're very good at that.

SPEAKER_134: Sort of like satirizing how people use the media and social media and these

SPEAKER_130: marketing campaigns and like propaganda ratings. Yeah. And like how, how the public and perceptions are manipulated. It's one of the best shows about that maybe. Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_118: But it also pushes the boundaries on sex and violence pretty hard. Yeah. It's gross. I mean, it's pretty gross.

SPEAKER_263: Yeah. It's, that's kind of the. Okay. And then they have all of his stuff.

SPEAKER_118: Then they're doing the Lord of the Rings and they bought James Bond. So are they teeing themselves up to become like a bigger player here?

SPEAKER_95: Because I feel like, you know, I'm excited. I shockingly enjoyed the boys.

SPEAKER_01: I didn't think I would. And, um, I'm kind of stoked for the Lord of the Rings. I saw that new trailer Bezos. Yeah. He did. That looks actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_134: I mean, he went to the team and was like pounding fists on the table. Like I want a game of Thrones. Make, make me a game of Thrones. Get me a game of Thrones. That's your mission. And, uh, I mean, I think it's pretty clear. That's what they're, that's what they're trying to do. I mean, this is as clear a let's make our own game of Thrones play as I've ever seen. And like, if, if anything is gonna work, I mean, I, it's hard to catch lightning in a bottle like that game of Thrones does feel like kind of, you know, maybe HBO's biggest hit ever, but like Lord of the rings would be the property. I, I, the name brand recognition. Did you see the trailer and what are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_276: I think, yeah, I like the way it looks.

SPEAKER_134: It definitely, yeah, I, I, I really like that. It's the second age. So it's a time in middle earth. Like it's thousands of years before the hobbit or the Lord of the rings stories. We know it's this kind of relatively unexplored era and setting. We still get to see, like, you know, Galadriel pops up, Elrond is in there. I don't think they've announced if Gandalf is in the show, but he's alive at this time in middle earth history. Uh, but I like, I like that. It's gonna be like a fresh take sort of necessarily because this is so far back.

Jason Calacanis: Um, I am very excited for it. I got very excited about the trailer. I'm also wondering where you're going with this one in the J trade department. Oh, well, so here's what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_26: Is this what's, is that what's happening here? Yeah. There's a little bit of a J trade occurring here.

SPEAKER_01: I am, uh, really excited about the Lord of the rings, the James Bond moves. I have been giving Netflix a hard time. Yeah. Because Netflix seems lost and adrift. They are losing subscribers. We all know the content is janky. They seem like they're confused as to what the actual mission of the company is. Now they want to have advertising used to be about storytelling. It seems like the bean counters are running it.

SPEAKER_10: And then I look at Amazon and they bought one medical today. And then I look at the Amazon prime moves. Then I look at them getting rid of Amazon basics because they see that as a vector for

SPEAKER_01: antitrust. In other words, I think this new CEO is kicking ass. Making some moves.

SPEAKER_291: Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: Making moves.

SPEAKER_10: I am excited. So what do we, maybe you could run through the Netflix numbers and get lawns thoughts on Netflix versus Amazon.

SPEAKER_26: I mean, it's interesting. Other players. Everyone else. Yeah.

SPEAKER_134: Yeah. I mean, Amazon's definitely a different take because it's less, it's more induced. Like we want one big thing every now and again, to get you to keep your prime subscription going, as opposed to the Netflix, like constant fire hose of nonsense. So it's a little hard to do just like a straight up. Apples to apples. Correct. Yeah. Having said that, I, I, Netflix, I think has a, as a, not just a content problem, but an identity problem, which is they've spent so long now trying to literally be everything for everyone. And I don't know how they back out of that. Like, I don't, I don't know how they focus in without disappointing vast swaths of the people that they've won over, but they're producing so much content. Like, how do they keep this up forever? And you know, you, you gotta worry like crown is ending stranger things is ending Bridgerton already on season three. And there, is there a new generation behind them? That's getting people that excited. I don't know. The shows kind of get canceled very quickly. And then I look at stuff like the gray man opening tomorrow, which they put in theaters and like, are people hyped for the gray man, the way they were for like a top gun maverick.

SPEAKER_141: I don't, I don't know if they are for whatever reason, it seems like Netflix movies, they're spending the money.

SPEAKER_134: They spent $200 million on it. Chris Evans, Ryan Gosling, you know, Ana de Armas, huge action. They've been promoting this train sequence. They spent 40 million bucks on, but they're not getting their bang for their buck on these big movies. Red notice was another one and six underground that Michael Bay one. So I think unless they figure out how to thread that needle and make the original films more of a must see event and get a bunch more squid games, stranger things type shows that people are like, I have to keep my Netflix subscription so I can watch this. I think they're in, they're in trouble. They're in trouble.

SPEAKER_10: So they're in trouble loss. And then Molly, what do you think you and I cover Amazon here every week? It comes up.

SPEAKER_01: You saw they bought one medical today that was like a $3 billion purchase. They're obviously going to make telemedicine and prescription drugs like very easy on Amazon. So part of your Amazon prime is going to be like, Hey, I need my whatever drug. I have Amazon prime. So I get a doctor consultation with that and I can also order my whole foods. And, you know, it just feels like why would I ever cancel prime if I have one medical somehow looped into that by Amazon prime delivery service, then I have Amazon prime video.

SPEAKER_02: I think it kind of yeah, I mean, so it comes down to,

Jason Calacanis: well, there's this, there's the question about Amazon eating the world and how successful it's going to be in doing that. And I think you, you know, you're absolutely right. Like I hadn't really put it so specifically to Andy Jassy, but it's been one year and this guy is making bold moves. Now, if you're looking at Amazon as a streaming buy. Yeah. Then I think you have to sort of ask this question of like focus, like how I'm going to be for anything.

SPEAKER_57: Here's what I think. So this is a very good point, Molly.

SPEAKER_10: Yeah. Yeah. If streaming is their seventh most important business and I'm more excited about them than Netflix, which is their sole purpose for existing. Yeah. If you can't beat somebody who this is the seven. So I just think there's an operational excellence to Amazon where they always seem to do the right thing. I'm not saying right thing. Morally took a right thing for the shareholders in the share price. Yep. And if they do wind up getting broken up, I think it's going to be worth twice as much.

Jason Calacanis: Right. Because any of those businesses is going to be over the time. And then I want to throw in this wrinkle about Disney because yesterday, Jason bought Disney in a J trade. We're all in on Disney plus, no question. Yes. But I do wonder if Disney isn't headed into a little bit of a leadership issue because there have been all these rumblings about Bob Chapik. He did keep his job. The board was like, no problem. You have your three year contract. But literally yesterday, Bob Iger, former CEO, was out here trashing Chapik and saying that hiring him and putting him in that CEO role was one of the worst decisions he ever made. And there seems there's clearly some faction of Disney employees who hate this guy and keep leaking to the, you know, Hollywood press about it. How big a deal is this? Do you think, Lon? Is it like, and at one point, what point compared to Andy Jassy kicking ass over here? At what point does this like Chapik drip, drip, drip of negativity become an issue?

SPEAKER_309: Yeah. I, I mean, it already, if you speak to Disney parks fans already, there is, I rarely have

SPEAKER_134: seen a business side CEO generate this level of hate this quickly. Like the, the feeling among, I, I, I'm going to Orlando to visit my mom in a few months and I pulled my Twitter following, where should I go? Like, is there a theme park I should go to for a day while I'm there? And the overwhelming consensus was universal now beats Disney in Florida. That Disney stuff is overpriced. The new stuff is kind of flopping. The like interactive hotel overpriced stuff. I feel like there's a sentiment out there that they're kind of losing their, their lead, losing steam in terms of the, the parks versus, you know, some of those competitors. And that's a big part of that business. But on the streaming side, I feel like Disney's actually pretty strong.

SPEAKER_312: I feel like Hulu also has been ascendant recently.

SPEAKER_01: Who will have the most subscribers 10 years from now? Netflix or Disney plus Hulu plus ESPN? Who's going to have the most subscribers?

SPEAKER_215: I mean, HBO Max is the big concern. Okay, sure. HBO Max.

SPEAKER_134: So tell me of those three, who's going to have the most? And HBO Max is soon to get all of the discovery plus cut. Like at some point that's going to happen and that's a juggernaut.

SPEAKER_316: Then you've got a little something for everybody. That's right here.

SPEAKER_15: I don't know.

Jason Calacanis: But in do it all companies like Amazon is not, has no, shows no sign of slowing down. I think. And I do actually think that there are stumbles on Disney's horizon. I really do. Leadership matters.

SPEAKER_140: I mean, literally we're seeing that on Amazon right this second.

SPEAKER_60: Interesting. Uh, so anyway, I'll just announce the J trade. I just bought 400 shares of Amazon at 125 a piece.

SPEAKER_324: So I just dropped 40 times. Wow. So there are 40, whatever. Yeah. 50 grand. Wow.

SPEAKER_01: It's my biggest J trade yet, but I've always wanted to be an Amazon shareholder. I haven't been. And I think, you know, please let the company be broken up, uh, into three parts or two parts. And that'll make this go up 50%, uh, and please let Netflix keep stumbling and shooting themselves in the foot. That's the beginning and end of it for me. Now who owns HBO max? And is that a publicly traded company? Cause that's the, you have discovery channel.

SPEAKER_327: WB discovery, uh, AT&T.

SPEAKER_329: Yeah. So that's the problem.

SPEAKER_00: Like AT&T owns all that. Yeah. Huh? I own 220 shares of Amazon. Ooh, look at you girl.

SPEAKER_134: John Stanky today, uh, AT&T CEO is saying they're, they might, they're going to probably start giving HBO max away free to unlimited wireless AT&T subscribers.

SPEAKER_130: So look out for that soon.

SPEAKER_103: Oh, so that's, see, here's the great re-bundling.

SPEAKER_332: Yeah.

SPEAKER_103: The great re-bundling is going to put Netflix in a tough spot. It is. You're going to really need to have more things bundled with Netflix.

SPEAKER_134: Well, also on the Disney side, you've got that. They keep raising the price of the individual services. So Disney plus might go up. Hulu goes up. ESPN plus just announced a big price. Like, but if you get that Disney bundle, they keep it more stable. That's what they want you to do is like, make us your bundle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_334: You got to get that Disney plus Hulu ESPN. Interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_21: Amazon. Goodbye. I'm saying it's a goodbye. Whether it's, I did get that 20.

SPEAKER_181: I mean, Amazon also has free V.

SPEAKER_134: They have a pretty solid ad supported play, which Netflix is now currently trying to build their own version of with Microsoft. Amazon's is already up and running. You can watch Bosch legacy on there right now. Hmm.

SPEAKER_338: Oh yeah. My brother's watching Bosch. Should I be watching Bosch? Let's wrap up here.

SPEAKER_317: We have to pick a show.

SPEAKER_118: Speaking of which, yes, we got to wrap up with picking a show. I just started watching winning time. This feels like an amazing entrepreneurial journey. I was going to say winning time.

SPEAKER_134: Winning time or the bear are the two shows most recently. I finished the bear. I also love the bear. Starting and running businesses that I thought were the most impressive.

SPEAKER_248: So if we could take the angle of the key business lessons from each episode

Chamath Palihapitiya: and relate them, that would be the big win for me, producer Nick. So. Love that. Winning time has a lot. So this is what I'm thinking is, and I liked the bear. I finished it. That was only eight episodes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_349: It's quick eight, eight, half hour episodes. They were, they flew by.

Chamath Palihapitiya: It is very fast. And it does give you some insight into just another world, right? Did you watch the bear yet, Molly?

SPEAKER_337: I have not watched the bear yet, but I love a half hour episode. That is my jam. So good.

SPEAKER_351: It's going to clean up at the Emmys, I predict. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_352: And it's, yeah, it's set behind the scenes at this Chicago Italian beef sandwich restaurant.

SPEAKER_134: But the, the guy who's running it used to be a fine dining chef. And now he's taking over for his late brother running this sandwich place. And that's.

SPEAKER_354: And he previously worked at Noma. Um, and they get.

SPEAKER_356: And I think the French laundry too, they mentioned.

SPEAKER_01: And I think, so they somehow got them to be okay with saying he worked at Noma in the French Laundry and supposedly the, the, the, the chef is based off of, um, Alina, uh, which we had

SPEAKER_60: the co-founder of Alina on here. Nick, uh, Kokaris, Nick, is that right? Nick Kokaris, producer, Nick, maybe he's not here. Um, so anyway, uh, he's editing all in Rachel's editing all in maybe. Uh, so anyway, it was, it's really good. Uh, I have to say the bear is really good, but I think winning time is probably the one. Yeah, that makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_352: There is one more I would mention is there is the HBO, uh, financial banking drama series

SPEAKER_134: industry returns on August 1st. So we could jump into that too, which is about young people working at a London investment bank.

SPEAKER_362: Really? That sounds kind of fun.

SPEAKER_134: Season one was last year. Season two is coming out. Uh, that's like industry industry. And it's a mix of like young eight Brits and Americans who have gone over there. You know, it's like,

SPEAKER_364: Let me, I'll sample the first season. See where I'm at. Yeah, take a look.

SPEAKER_365: And we got a couple of weeks to get through winning time. You know, we could get through winning time and then start that if we think we. All right. Let's go with winning time.

SPEAKER_368: We'll do the first, I think, how many episodes is winning time? Does anybody know off the top of their head? Is it nine or so? I think it's eight.

SPEAKER_90: Yeah. So whatever it is, I think breaking it into three groups feels good.

SPEAKER_375: Perfect.

SPEAKER_48: That might be perfect. I've already watched them all. I'm going to watch them all.

SPEAKER_375: I watched them too.

SPEAKER_48: So let's see if we, if you guys go through the recaps and can think of business lessons. Oh, sure. Yeah. And you know, like what it, what, how would you extrapolate this lesson, right? Um, being delusional, you know, whatever, fake it till you make it.

SPEAKER_10: Like a lot of things come to mind after just a couple of episodes, taking bold moves, negotiations. When he's negotiating with red or Bach played by Michael. Michael Chiklis.

SPEAKER_377: Chiklis amazing. He stole the show when Chiklis came in. He's fantastic. Um, which I, you know, Michael Chiklis and I are social media friends.

SPEAKER_378: We're social media friends. We slide into each other's DMS once in a while.

SPEAKER_380: I, I was a huge fan of his old show, the commish. Remember that? I love the commission originally.

SPEAKER_10: And somebody used to call me the commish when I was a young adult. Cause I had, I related to somehow my ability to work with people. And then I liked the shield. The shield was like that first FX really aggressive, crazy

SPEAKER_242: show early, early peak TV, sort of, uh, proto peak TV show. The shield.

SPEAKER_10: All right. Well, we'll let long go now, Lon, uh, just, uh, I'll give you 24 hours to think about this five dime exploratory fee. Oh, I think we can work together.

SPEAKER_95: The deliverable is, uh, uh, a, a, a great pilot script.

SPEAKER_10: And then a little bit of a Bible, show Bible, five dimes. And whatever I make on the show you make. So you got my word there. If I, if I make a million, you make a million, whatever it is, we'll figure it out. Fabulous. You get your all the credits and anything. We'll see if Molly gets her beak wet as well here. If she got something to put on it as well.

SPEAKER_387: Executive producer.

SPEAKER_10: Yeah, I'm happy.

SPEAKER_365: All right, here we go. All right. All right. Bye. See you next time. All right. Thanks for listening to the big Thursday show, everybody. Make sure to tune in tomorrow for an even bigger show.

SPEAKER_02: An awesome conversation. It just, that's how we like to structure the week. It just like with a finale. For Sunday. Yeah. Yeah. On Sunday. Ben Narison of Tenacity VC. Make sure to tune in tomorrow, Friday for an even bigger show.

Jason Calacanis: Cause we like to be like fireworks. We end with a big finale.

SPEAKER_57: We've got an awesome conversation with Ben Narison of Tenacity VC.

SPEAKER_10: He's going to join us to talk about how he raised his latest $50 million VC fund in a down market.

SPEAKER_53: Something we're going to need to learn about because we're going to be raising Watch Fund 4 in a down market in the fall. So, you know, make sure.

SPEAKER_48: Nothing like real tactical advice. Well, yeah. I mean, this is one of the great things about having a podcast with some listeners. Again, we get to learn. We have to have these open dialogues and we share it with the audience and everybody

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SPEAKER_48: I might do like some micro J trades. And so you better have your alerts on too, because I might I have the login. I have the restream log and I got the YouTube login. I might just be on the back porch and turn on a video and make a J trade. Oh my lord.

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