SPEAKER_00: know what's really interesting is uh zillow is gone oh zillow took theirs off yeah because it

SPEAKER_03: was so bad well i don't know i thought it was like again heading in the right direction but

SPEAKER_07: i think it's sort of this you know fear of chat gpt becoming like the apex aggregator and so if everyone is just going there and searching for things and you're just a data

SPEAKER_11: source then your business has less value so well you lose the interface you lose the customer relationship i mean that really is why people should not do these plugins yeah because you

SPEAKER_13: don't have the email of the person yeah you don't know why they're searching this they could be scraping your data and you just gave up any monetization this week in startups is brought

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SPEAKER_13: week at the all-in summit last week and we're back to our regularly scheduled programming first up sunny madras and deep madra is back to do a bunch of ai demos welcome back sunny good to be back uh

SPEAKER_00: congrats on the summit it was incredible i would say look every single speaker could have been a keynote

SPEAKER_07: speaker so it was hit after hit after hit got it um and it was a lot of incredible content good conversations i liked how you guys were out there with every single speaker and um you know there's probably four to six viral videos that will come from it um because the content was really incredible from dalio to girly to grandma i mean yeah and um the only thing i would say is um you need to have

SPEAKER_28: more people there i think you know and the people there are like can we have less people it's like

SPEAKER_30: whoever got in who wants less people yeah whoever didn't get in wants more people funny how that happens

SPEAKER_13: well 1800 was you know i don't want to say it's unruly but it's you're moving a lot of people around and it's not easy and so we are going to have a all-in board meeting in a week and just sort of debrief on what was great about the event what could be improved uh but the speakers and the content were world-class i think there was only one speaker when it wasn't all three of us which was uh wolf from alpha yeah um and uh he hung out the whole conference it was really interesting to see the speakers hang out the whole conference because they wanted to hear each other so congratulations

SPEAKER_30: to friedberg who programmed i think 85 of the content i think the other besties like brought one or two speakers each maybe so it was uh yeah i would really like more people to be able to come i

SPEAKER_13: think there's two different ways to go with it one is i think we're just going to do one type of

SPEAKER_38: ticket next year yeah and not have like general admission versus vip and then scholarships because

SPEAKER_13: it people just start comparing who's got a better seat it's like you know like on an airplane oh first class seat how much different is it than sitting in coach and it's our extra leg room it's

SPEAKER_39: just like yeah it's confusing for people and like then some people are like i i would have rather been in coach and be like i don't want to be in coach i want to be in the first class like everybody's

SPEAKER_30: different you know so i think we'll we'll tighten that up a little bit parties were great people had a

SPEAKER_40: good time can i share one image with you both that i think encapsulates all in summit more than

SPEAKER_42: anything okay uh we can take a little risk here but okay it's great that's stephen wolfram from

SPEAKER_38: wolfram alpha i gotta go let's get that right stephen wolfram and he is at side the rave the blade runner

SPEAKER_13: rave with like 30 people 40 people around him while like grimes is on stage tearing it up it was a pretty crazy final night party and uh the pier party people had a lot of fun we took over the santa monica pier i mean it is hard to throw a party for 1800 people let me tell you something the number of locations gets really small when you get close to a thousand people and that you can have an event and your choices are find a raw canvas like we literally used a movie studio yep uh we used a giant hall majestic downtown um which was okay and then the entire pier and you

SPEAKER_38: can't like you're even a hotel like if you want to use the beverly hilton or something like that and have like bad food uh you know i'm not dissing them but like you know chicken you know like conference chicken like three course bad salad bad chicken bad dessert you want to do something like that like it's gonna cost a fortune and they can only fit a thousand people and then everybody's gonna you know like have to sit at cheesy round wedding tables i hate that so we went in a different direction but um la adds a layer of difficulty as well because of traffic so we didn't want people to be in their car for an hour it was i think 20 minutes drive to each party maybe uh depending on where you

SPEAKER_50: stayed 20 to 30 minutes to get to each party so that was pretty good um miami was kudos yeah kudos to you

SPEAKER_26: guys i mean like it's last year was the first one which is incredible uplifted it this year i think next year's gonna be really hard i you know i think it was you know chmas is trying to take charge of next year's one so we'll see how that comes together because you know it gets harder and harder but

SPEAKER_55: it's a good challenge because it's better for all the listeners better for all he doesn't want to do

SPEAKER_13: the big one he wants to do like a 50 person or a hundred person yeah you know small retreat invite only kind of situation so i told him like maybe that's the retreat all in retreat and then there's all in summit summit yeah one's like a think tank where people are kind of um you know like like the people who are on the stage are getting together to talk and do illuminati and then there's like fallen summit which i think we could do it in vegas new york in a theater there's a category of spaces like theaters that are generally four to six thousand people uh you think about like radio city music hall the beacon in new york uh the theater at madison square garden all of those they tend to be 5 000 seats some of them go as high as like seven or eight but then you could invite a large number of people to experience the content and then you'd maybe give you'd maybe separate out the dinners and the parties where that would be like an upcharge or you could go to it if you wanted to but there were a certain number of tickets you know um because again you're basically talking about

SPEAKER_64: taking over a mega club or something or having to take over central parks you know great lawn or

SPEAKER_67: something it just gets nuts everything gets nuts at that scale so we'll see i'm excited i'm excited

SPEAKER_30: i mean i spent two and a half million dollars on three parties that was pretty good yeah so a lot of money to spend on parties but i think it was worth it i think it was worth it

SPEAKER_69: it was worth it for me i thought it was a lot of fun we had a great time i think yeah

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SPEAKER_35: they know we sent you so there's a lot in the news where we took a little bit of time off because

SPEAKER_38: we had that and um i have i literally had a call today with uh some of my older people you know i got some older people in my organization i said listen okay the three of us are over 150 years old combined

SPEAKER_13: i need all the old dogs learning new tricks because they were asking me like what publications uh should we promote this cloud kitchens incubator we're doing too and i said okay did you ask chat gpt yet before

SPEAKER_81: we ever get on the phone ask chat gpt six ways to sunday and you'll saw the promise which is actually

SPEAKER_13: how i got a lot of the um party planners and party ideas is i sit in chat gpt and pinterest and i have both windows open and youtube and i just start brainstorming ideas and and people were asking

SPEAKER_38: me my process and i'm like what would be good themes at a cyberpunk party what would be interesting

SPEAKER_13: food to serve on a pier you know what movies in the 80s and 90s represented surf culture you just instead of doing google searches it all returns everything to me in a table yeah and i move like

SPEAKER_89: probably three or four or five times faster um which is bonkers but there was some news out here

SPEAKER_78: um uh there are some news out here about open ai uh going multi-modal multi m-o-d-a-l multimodal llm

SPEAKER_38: now so i think this is the first time a lot of people are going to be hearing about this

SPEAKER_13: so let's talk about open ai um racing to beat google to launch the first multimodal llm what does

SPEAKER_26: this mean explain it to everybody as if they're five-year-olds yeah so um it's the next evolution so if you think about our primary interaction mode with all the different llms today it's text and so you give it text like you were talking about and it gives answers back to you what multimodal means is your ability to give it any type of input it could be speech it could be video it could be pictures it could be a combination of those things right so um that's that's the you know next iteration in these llms where uh because you know today it's been separated out you know you

SPEAKER_07: sort of have um you know dolly or mid journey for images right you have uh open ai gpt4 for text and so when it all kind of comes together into a single platform um in a single model that that's what you know people are racing towards now so because today if you think about what's happening is people are fracturing there's some folks doing stuff with text some folks doing stuff with audio some folks doing stuff and not no there's not one clear leader across all of them and what folk but i guess the leaders are all trying to raise towards is they want to become the single place where people go to to do all their llm related um activities which makes

SPEAKER_97: sense you know uh multimodal from the word modality modality in this case refers to you know like how

SPEAKER_13: something is expressed right uh and it could be input but it could also be output so when you say multimodality you could draw on a piece of paper take a picture of what you want an app to look like or draw it on the screen you know like there are there are little drawing tools you can use on

SPEAKER_61: your desktop and you draw something and then you say so you could have two modalities at the same time

SPEAKER_13: i could draw it and then i could type in or say make this into a modern looking ios app yep and then now it's got a sketch of what looks like an e-commerce site plus it's and then the output on the

SPEAKER_61: modality could be code it could be images it could be wireframes so when we start thinking about modality i think i don't know what they're referring to if it's just input or if it's also output because that's it's both it's both and so this requires the llm to really have an understanding of what the user

SPEAKER_13: wants um and how to interpret it i guess normalize it so an image turning into words sounds turning into words code turning into words they already are words i guess yep and then the output you guess you'd have to specify because you could say i'm going to draw something make this into a techno track i mean now we're starting to get really weird i'd make an i draw an image of a bulldog with a bunch of stars and flowers around it and i say make this into a an electronic dance track make this into some like you know house party music it's like okay i'm going to interpret a bulldog with flowers around it into a dance track is that what we're talking about here i think that's like the stretch case

SPEAKER_26: but yeah i think the idea is to to allow people to interact with these systems um in any way they

SPEAKER_07: want to so um maybe it's more for the image case that you're talking about that but like you know i it comes down to its interpretation right and if it's able to interpret what you're saying and kind of glean from that um you know what that music what music may relate to the image that you've drawn and based on its training data how can it come up with it and so it's a much harder use case i think that's why we haven't we didn't see it up front it's easier to predict text from text and music from music uh but you know image to music is really fascinating i hadn't thought about that one but why not i think it's yeah it's gonna be crazy and you know i'll be honest i haven't really used any of

SPEAKER_38: the image because i don't work in images all that often i really haven't worked in those um generative space because they're all very um uh distinct and they work in like doesn't one of them work with

SPEAKER_81: the interface being uh discord yeah and i'm like what are you guys doing this reminds me of crypto all over again like what mid journey shouldn't the interface for mid journey should not be discord

SPEAKER_38: it should be i mean i guess it's clever in some ways but it should just be like a chat interface

SPEAKER_108: i think it allowed them to go really fast and basically have a command line interface that wasn't

SPEAKER_07: your terminal right and so you know the the interface to mid journey is really powerful because like in your command line you can give it you know types of different um flags and it creates lots of that gives you lots of flexibility and they didn't have to go and recreate that interface from scratch and i you know i think i've heard or may already even exist but mid journey i think is

SPEAKER_112: pushing to have like a consumer facing um interface sort of along the lines of what you're talking

SPEAKER_119: about yeah that's yeah gotta be uh yeah that's gotta be available soon right like so the the the edge

SPEAKER_120: was that you know by putting it in discord there's like a natural community effects there because you

SPEAKER_07: know discord is you know think about it just like a giant slack channel or you know go back to irc or something like that so when when you're in there you have communities of you can say cool stuff people shared you can comment on things you don't have to build out all the the social and chat features right so day one mid journey if you're in the discord for mid journey um i can even pull

SPEAKER_13: it up if we want to yeah i mean it's yeah sure pull it up i mean the brainstorming is kind of interesting to me because what what happens is just i'll just take party planning as about one concept in year zero this first year of ai it helped me find venues it helped put them in tables it helped me find i it helped me come up with ideas um and it helped me um find venues and come find party planners and then brainstorm ideas but i found myself going back to the 1.0 mentality which was not talking to an ai but you know doing google searches clicking on images the image tab in google going to pinterest and just typing in like ideas for seafood at a party was one of the things i was doing i wanted to have seafood right and i stumbled upon people who were shocking oysters you they walk around a party with buckets on either side of their belt and the buckets have oysters in them they shuck an oyster they put some you know mignette on it or whatever those things are and they hand it to you and you have an oyster and you throw it in the the other bucket it's kind of cool right people walking around shucking fresh oysters for people of course it's kind of like a fun interesting you never saw a thing i had

SPEAKER_127: people making crepes whatever but i would really like to be able to take a picture of a venue and say you know uh give me some ideas to make this like james bond or blade runner and um then make a list of rental firms that have these items right that would have been really cool um and uh you know that that that feels like what this multimodal mode is going to do i'll be able to input an image say

SPEAKER_130: something i still don't understand why chat gpt4 doesn't have a talking interface yet it seems so

SPEAKER_03: de minimis to build it actually does on the app if you use the app it does within the app itself like

SPEAKER_07: the ios app or the android app it has like an audio button so you can just chat with it yeah does that

SPEAKER_127: work with your air pods in in a hey siri kind of way uh i don't think there's like a trigger like

SPEAKER_26: hey siri yeah you know if you put it on your home screen or something like that you can do it see

SPEAKER_38: that's what i i'm trying to you know this is what happens when they lock down the iphone so much yeah on an android i'm sure somebody can jailbreak this in 10 seconds but i want to have i want to

SPEAKER_13: say hey chat gpt uh with my airpods in with my phone in my pocket and just say what are the three four two yeah and read me the top read me the top three dishes from each and not take my airpods out yeah but i guess i guess maybe chat gpt mobile does that but you have to click on the mic button and that really is i know this sounds stupid but when you think about user design sunny yeah the fact that you have to click on a button and take your phone out is friction i want to leave these airpods in all day and just be talking to it so somebody take on a memo uh clicking the microphone is death i think we'll see it soon i think is apple going to catch up

SPEAKER_81: no no they're just too far behind they're going to miss the entire ai wave after they had siri out first

SPEAKER_07: i don't think it's far behind but i think in order to be a leading player in this you have to take risk and you know if you think about everything apple does just look at the last four iphones like they've really become super risk averse and so if you're going to really play in the llm space you're going to be subject and you know it's even affecting everyone outside of you know open ai um you have to take a lot of risks because it's going to produce responses that are have hallucinations in them all the stuff that we've talked about so i think given their corporate culture um given yes

SPEAKER_03: you saw the mother the mother nature kind of what did you what was your take on that i'm curious

SPEAKER_07: it's like a big misread of society and where we're at and where they're at and just it shows what's

SPEAKER_120: happened to the culture of apple it's kind of crazy so i saw this excellent tweet that said imagine you took that to steve jobs and said hey we're going to put this in like a keynote release of a big product

SPEAKER_13: of ours right he would be like what product is this yes that you're talking about recycling yes which is important and valid but this is what we're spending our time on is not the what the device can do what's the magical component or upgrade to your device what's it going to enable you to do but hey you can feel less sad about consuming this correct yeah see i like it i liked some aspects of it as something to release not during a keynote so i think the context here of hey we're doing a keynote look at all these new features if they if they had 50 new features and that was like the last thing they showed and by the way all these new features we want to just let you know a lot of companies screwed up the environment yep we're trying to do our best we know that you're going to buy these devices every three or four years some of you buy it every year we just want to let you know you don't have to feel guilty we're going to be zero waste and we hear you on the packaging less packaging nobody wants to have plastic you know everywhere and we're selling a lot of these

SPEAKER_78: things like there's a way to do it that isn't so preachy apple.com recycling go check it out

SPEAKER_70: that would be a great way to do it or or you just say hey here's the tonnage you know if we just so you know we sell a billion devices and if we have this much so just so you know when you get your

SPEAKER_81: phone it's going to be in a really small package we know you love unboxing but look if we make the package this big when you unbox it this is the number of trees if we make it smaller and we hand i mean imagine if apple handed you the phone from a stack of them in a store in a sleeve it's just like in a perfect sleeve a paper sleeve and there was just a stack of them and they just slide one off the shelves i mean that's what we all want we don't want any packaging give me the damn device are you

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SPEAKER_38: start your free trial and get 20 off i believe google has the best data they have the greatest data scientists and ai so let's start reflecting back here um chat gpt wants to get this out before google they're racing yep what do you think of google's chances here because they have that giant image

SPEAKER_81: database known as google images they have this giant video repository known as youtube yeah i would think if they block chat gpt from using images gmail and youtube that they would have a massive advantage in

SPEAKER_26: multimodal well i think spot on and i think the one real just i want to add one thing to it then i'll

SPEAKER_07: answer your question when it comes to youtube that's all generated content that through their terms uh of use they have access to uh inherently versus you know search and things like that it could get a bit wonky because if they're pointing out to someone's site and using that for training data but um they can easily make one change to terms of use and unless you want to pull your videos off uh youtube you're gonna you're gonna say yes um similar to the way we've done in this zoom thing right we want to try as we just kind of said yes like they can train off this stuff um and so given that i'm actually already experiencing an interesting um change in my behavior so i use the google search app as a it's like a native app you can download ios or android and inside that you can enable generative search and i i have to say and you can do it within chrome and other places but i have to say 90 of my searches now are uh you know it's a standard search and you can say give me the gen result and the gen result is incredible and it's up to date it's not limited in time um so better than

SPEAKER_179: chat gpt for an average search i that's been my experience yeah yeah see i think we're in this little

SPEAKER_13: trow of uh indifference yeah there was this peak enthusiasm this is going to change everything and then i think a lot of people stopped using it i know people in my organization have stopped using it because like i said i was on this call today and i hammered it over and over again before you ask a question on a call especially a conference call please ask chat gpt and bard and then see if they give you a decent enough answer and then you can at least bring that answer to the party um but i think people are forgetting how powerful this thing is and it's like the habit has to be built but you're telling me in the google search app it's on by default so instead of going to your chrome or safari browser and doing a search on your iphone you use the google search app yeah um and

SPEAKER_07: you just have to turn it on you're saying yeah it's like in their labs feature and then you can turn

SPEAKER_81: it on and it's it's it's really you know it's now use the labs feature you have to use an at gmail account or yes you do see this is the thing people don't understand is you either have to

SPEAKER_13: in order to use these advanced features just type in google labs and you'll find it uh these experiments but if you're on a google domain like you have your own custom domain like at

SPEAKER_38: launch.co or at inside at definitive you then need to go into your admin if you have admin access and

SPEAKER_13: turn on experiments yes but it doesn't seem like yeah so search labs you know here i'll just show you it says search labs isn't available for your account so that's like my corporate account it's not available um so i have to then go switch to my gmail account which i never use um but i'm being

SPEAKER_190: forced to by google this is the weird thing google treats google domain users google office users

SPEAKER_35: whatever they call it as second class citizens it's really annoying so but if i i just did this what

SPEAKER_07: are the new features in the iphone 15 and see here it gives me this little tab because i have it enabled on my personal gmail account yeah i click generate and um you know basically it's going to give you the quick summary right it's got usbc the dynamic island is a cutout instead of a notch 48 megapixel camera yada yada yada a16 chip right and so um and you know i actually use this the other day because i i

SPEAKER_92: have the apple watch ultra and i said what i said you know what is the difference between the apple watch

SPEAKER_07: ultra ultra and ultra 2 right and basically here you can generate it and um and like you know and even just before just below that right here uh jaco this is a sponsored apple ad right which is compare

SPEAKER_177: models yeah and here i just it gave me the little uh thing it did its own comparison in a table generated

SPEAKER_198: by ai so yeah now you could do hey what's the difference between the apple watch ultra and the

SPEAKER_38: google watch pixel watch whatever they call that yeah yeah and it's very important you have to use

SPEAKER_202: if you want to use these experiments you cannot be on um your domains account you got to be on your gmail

SPEAKER_26: account yeah but they are enabling it for your workspace so if you know i think uh at next a couple

SPEAKER_07: weeks ago which was yeah maybe even the week just before all in summit they did say they're launching all the generative features for the workspace account so you can ask your admin to go in there and probably enable it uh for for the admit for the um work account yeah but where do you turn it on

SPEAKER_207: here it goes it says to turn on you go to google labs scroll down to that section uh settings

SPEAKER_07: hit enable click on save and then there you go look for the sge card and it's on i don't know why google

SPEAKER_128: is making this so difficult to turn on it should just be on the top of every google search page

SPEAKER_211: yeah is the reason they're not turning it on because it's going to take too much cpu and they're they

SPEAKER_26: would yeah that's that's what i heard that's you know i basically you know it is uh it is like a

SPEAKER_07: kind of a a compute issue and so um uh that that's sort of what i heard in the background from a couple of different folks but usually i think within workspaces if you try it on that one it should it should i think there they just enabled it uh you can you don't have to wait for the waitlist ah

SPEAKER_30: yeah that would be uh the way to do it so because then for your whole org like to your point that

SPEAKER_26: anytime they're just searching for anything they'll see it there right and then it's not

SPEAKER_172: like you don't have to change the behavior but they still make you click the button it doesn't do it automatically because i guess they don't it was doing it and i think they turned it off for

SPEAKER_120: the same compute reasons right and maybe even monetization because remember right below that

SPEAKER_07: was a sponsored apple link right so now like what i'm finding myself is i'm never clicking a sponsor link because i'm getting the answer what i need right in the gen search that's super dangerous yeah

SPEAKER_127: and that is what we've all talked about being a very dangerous um yeah that's a very dangerous thing for

SPEAKER_220: google to then lose all that revenue so they are being judicious in rolling this out

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SPEAKER_13: how is multimodal different than say um writing code right the code interpreter yeah um because code interpreter i guess when it's writing code is really just an llm that is doing code instead of

SPEAKER_26: words but it's still words at the end of the day yeah i mean look i i think that's like the first step

SPEAKER_07: into multimodal like i would view that as kind of like very basic multimodal even though both are in language you know it's it is sort of a different um i look at it as like a different use case

SPEAKER_26: interestingly though they renamed code interpreter to advanced data analytics oh yeah that's because

SPEAKER_07: people thought it was for developers not for for data scientists yeah exactly so they've re uh kind

SPEAKER_09: of uh renamed it recently interesting and yeah that itself feels like a different product do you think the ui for these products is going to start to break up a little bit or do you think we're still going

SPEAKER_07: to have this like one ui to build them all so it's a really good question and you know we've been spending a lot of time thinking about this even in in my day job i think the way it plays out over let's say the next 18 months is there's going to be a set of folks that try to integrate it natively

SPEAKER_26: and then this is a is a really good segue into the first demo for this week um and then there's going

SPEAKER_07: to be a set of folks that say i'm going to rely on the sort of you know the bards or the google search or you know open ai to send me i'll integrate it via a plugin and we have a good example there and then i think where i'm the most excited is like sidekicks where you have an existing application it has a bunch of context and knowledge you know could be data could be features and functionality and a sidekick kind of overlays on top of it um i i kind of feel like we're going to see a lot more sidekick type applications than the first two in the next 18 months because i think what we'll have to have is people rebuild applications from scratch to make them interact with like sort of multimodal prompts so we'll even get away from text i think you'll have to reimagine that completely

SPEAKER_235: yeah it's people are so used to chatting with each other yeah that chat felt like the natural interface

SPEAKER_13: um but there there is a better interface i think when you're working on a let's say a google sheet or you're working on a table or a document which is i don't want to ask a question and have it rewrite it

SPEAKER_198: and move everything up yeah i want to stay on the same document and just have it change that document

SPEAKER_13: yeah you know what i'm saying like i don't want to just keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling

SPEAKER_38: or if i'm working on a excel document i would like to just talk to it and you know none of these are letting me do that and i had the the ceo of grammarly on uh recently oh great and i love grammarly yeah it's a great product and i would like to just sit on my document and say let's talk about the second paragraph and then the ai would say okay what would you like to do with the with the second paragraph here are some ideas make it shorter make it tighter make it funnier yeah

SPEAKER_81: you know what i i feel like um i'd like to say this in a little bit less words and more pithy

SPEAKER_243: and maybe make a quip and it's like okay here are some quips here's a shorter version and i just look at and say you know i like the second version let's work on that one and you know i'm i'm talking to

SPEAKER_81: it and it's changing it as we go not moving it up then i got to cut and paste it move it over to my

SPEAKER_243: application so that's what you mean by having it be a co-pilot yeah and grammarly does a really good

SPEAKER_120: job like i don't know if you're tracking their latest features you guys talked about it but like

SPEAKER_07: they sort of have um they've kind of built in some gen ai features and it can you know and it's always been able to take your paragraphs and help you rewrite them but now it has just some more superpowers which i find are really interesting the the latest version of grammarly is is pretty

SPEAKER_112: awesome i always make sure my grammarly is like up to date because they're just launching like the

SPEAKER_97: best features all the time um it's pretty great i have to say i am a big fan of grammarly and

SPEAKER_13: they've added um a lot to it ah you know what's interesting the i was trying to figure out why i'm not seeing it on my desktop google is only allowing you because i've been using i've been

SPEAKER_190: testing firefox and brave instead of chrome because i found chrome is like getting a little

SPEAKER_120: slow and i i switch there's some optimizations you can do i'll send you that make it really fast they've just launched them in the last couple of months that make it zippy fast yeah because

SPEAKER_253: something went wrong with chrome over the last year or two where it just gets slower and slower and

SPEAKER_07: slower and i'm just like this is getting very fresh they did a big push i'll share them with you some performance updates that really make things like 10 times better but if you want to use google search

SPEAKER_13: experiments you must be using chrome which is like that bundling issue um that the justice department doesn't like which is you know to use these things you have to and here i am now i have oh i had it all

SPEAKER_190: on i had it for sheets yeah yeah it's i mean go i just can somebody at google stop doing i mean listen you're google make things easy right like why is google making people jump through hoops to find this stuff just let people turn it on whenever they want uh what are great 5 000 seat theaters in new york now i

SPEAKER_13: got it so let me see if i try it what happens hold on i'm going to share with you because this is what i'll do to plan the next all-in summit um and you start thinking about party planners right yeah i mean

SPEAKER_78: what do i need a party planner for anymore you know like i need them on the ground maybe yeah well you

SPEAKER_103: need like you know you need physical labor that's becoming more and more about oh there you go you

SPEAKER_262: have it yeah so you just now i have it but look um here's a bunch of like random you know venues but

SPEAKER_13: here i say generate and let's see how it does it's generating to my query what are great 5 000 seat theaters in new york i think that's what i can rent many there's coney island amphitheater central park oh casino central park room i don't know about that some other ones include um what are the largest movie theater screens now what are great 5 000 seat theater 5 000 plus see if it understands plus there's in new york city i can rent and put that in a table

SPEAKER_130: see this is where we'll see if it can actually put it in a table for you're really pushing it let's see but

SPEAKER_26: yeah you know and if it can't um it's gonna that's a little bit of it didn't do it but if i do the same

SPEAKER_168: query see this is where i get confused because if i go to bard and i ask for the same query in bard yeah yeah i bet you it does a table right so like what is going on over here google like you're you're

SPEAKER_78: you got bard helping us do this and the card put it in a nice table with exactly what i want so why

SPEAKER_81: not give me that in google search it's very confusing what you're doing over there but i guess

SPEAKER_267: they're trying to move fast right oh i like that export to sheets thing too that's new the export

SPEAKER_81: to sheet thing is like an incredible feature because you click it it creates a spreadsheet and remember i said before i don't want to be cutting and pasting and i want it to cut and spin cut and paste so now it's made that spreadsheet i can go open it and you know what a great start this is because this is what i the first step i ask my people to do is this is this uh and but what i want to do is i want the ai here yeah i want to say to the ai while i'm in google sheets add to column e

SPEAKER_273: they you don't have that turned on they have that now too they have that too you you uh there's a

SPEAKER_277: there's a sheets ai companion yeah there is yeah yeah oh my lord right yeah yeah i didn't know they had that i'm gonna have to take a look into that one as well but you know i think this is where

SPEAKER_127: people who listen to this show um you got to use this stuff every day you got to use multiple ones because you will find over time like radically different answers from each um like chat gpt4

SPEAKER_13: i betcha does a much better job at the same query even though it doesn't have so here madison square garden king's theory beacon theater and i get links to the websites right so i can say

SPEAKER_284: um oh nice add 10 more but limit them to theaters 10 000 seats and theaters

SPEAKER_286: between 4 000 and 10 000 seats also add a column

SPEAKER_284: um with uh ask how with the price to rent the theater and this is where like you know it doesn't

SPEAKER_198: have that information because it probably doesn't exist on the web somewhere is that exactly

SPEAKER_13: it's not an instrument look it says finding precise rentals challenging variable nature of this but at least it put in something i wonder if it's guessing here

SPEAKER_61: i mean maybe that's the correct price i don't know but look it did such a better job here apollo theater hammerstein ballroom and you just think about how much work this would be

SPEAKER_13: to do google searches to ask people i mean this was like a hard task um and now all of a sudden you know you just watch it do the work so if you're a party planner and you're not using this um and if i said hey you know what are some themes for a party in new york city that people could dress

SPEAKER_292: up for you know now you're like i just want to brainstorm right i just want to brainstorm some ideas but look it always puts it in a table you know and oh look and it says why it works in new

SPEAKER_61: york city i didn't ask for that great gatsby that's a good one studio 54 that's a great one great one new york icons andy warhol that's a great one black and white gal is good sex in the city is good gangs of new york is killer wall street oh my god so many interesting ones i mean

David Friedberg: it's pretty great yeah i mean i have to say like i was thinking of doing a studio 54 one

SPEAKER_13: and a great gatsby one those are on my short list of parties for the next time yeah uh but i didn't think new york icons and i didn't think gangs in new york and both of those are kind of fun okay it would be so fun that would be hilarious guys right you know what you got a bunch of demos but we're convincing you the audience of uh how this could help you in your job so please send this clip to everybody who works for me please people stop asking me questions and just ask chat gpt and

SPEAKER_64: then come to me with what answers he gave you oh did you sign up for chat gpt enterprise yet

SPEAKER_07: uh did you apply we've had an enterprise relationship for like from the earliest days just kind of nature of how we've been working with them and um you know we but there's an enterprise product specifically now

SPEAKER_13: that you can sign up for and then it shares and it records everybody searches in like one

SPEAKER_26: sort of grand repository so that's what i want yeah um well the enterprise features and like i don't know

SPEAKER_07: them all off the top of my head but like the the the main functionality that's enabled there is like sort of like a single account like what you're saying you can kind of look at what everyone's

SPEAKER_26: doing in your organization and it's it's all it's not like uh it's not inside your enterprise yet right so you still it's not like you get it um like kind of on-prem or something but it's the right thing

SPEAKER_07: to do as an organization in terms of how you know you've been thinking about using it a single billing account all that stuff everyone can go to it and um all the information you know because if you think about ip of your business now when people are searching with it and they're coming up with these results and that you're you're paying them to do it that should be your ip you should retain that right and so i think that's quite that's kind of powerful let's go through some demos i mean it's

SPEAKER_232: been a couple weeks you had a bunch of demos back up wow me with what's going on here wow me and the

SPEAKER_26: audience okay so we're going to go back to plugins for a minute because like you know we kind of started here and um we started in plugins i have our definitive one enabled we're not going to use that but slow plug uh but i have canva enabled so canva is excellent and so canvas and chat gpt okay

SPEAKER_312: yeah so you can shout out melanie give me a template for a um a graphic that i can uh post on a twitter i'm just going to say twitter for the sake of it okay and so i'm going to do that and basically um things are a bit slow today so i'm gonna have to run this one twice since there it goes and so

SPEAKER_26: and we'll iterate this really quickly and what this will do and so here it's going to give me like a so if i want to you know do some kind of post to twitter for an event that's coming up or

SPEAKER_312: whatever it may happen to be uh it's going to give me a template i can work off of but what's

SPEAKER_26: and you know it's going to give me some some different ideas here right um and uh and so what's awesome is i can go right from this and i can click on this link right here and it's going to

SPEAKER_312: open up right inside canva oh and i can edit this away yeah and so uh and so it's giving me a few different templates that i can say now i can say oh you know these weren't great so i'll say i'll say can you give me some templates that include headshots and um and so uh i find this this is like that

SPEAKER_26: interesting inner intersection right because canva will ultimately have some kind of co-pilot but i find this like interaction within this um you know kind of chat gpt world um really really powerful and so um going back to what you you know you worked on a bunch of things recently your team worked on a bunch of things yeah this could really speed stuff up because you can kind of start from

SPEAKER_54: here and you can you know get off to the races and yeah and get going so well it's interesting you

SPEAKER_13: mentioned that nick and i are working on a new podcast and we were just um we were going to do it we're doing a podcast for like capital allocators um and we have a couple of ideas for ideas for names and we have to make art and i said hey who's our best artist can you just work with one of our people and show me these two names as a conference and a podcast and and maybe put it on a mug or a you know a jacket or a t-shirt and show me the what the artwork would look like and usually when i do that i just pay an artist 500 bucks or a thousand bucks to do it they spend a day on it they show me and then i'm like okay now i creatively like this one versus that one right yeah um but yeah this is definitely a great start um so if i did make me a motivational poster give me a motivational poster that is sarcastic and actually depressing i'm like i'm asking you to do something pretty sophisticated which is like comedy so it's using chat gpt4 sending this um and we're gonna see it didn't do it it's giving me motivational posters we got that part of it but it doesn't feel like it understand

SPEAKER_61: so what the goal here so why is it not using chat gpt because if i asked gpt4 without the plugin in

SPEAKER_70: yeah it would come up with sarcastic yeah because it's good at coming up with sarcastic stuff

SPEAKER_03: i think yep but it can't put the two things together what's why is it breaking because it's

SPEAKER_26: it's still a light integration a light integration it's still like it what it's doing is it's probably

SPEAKER_07: taking what you're saying sending a search over to canva canva has a bunch of pre-built templates and it's grabbing them the next iteration of this is what you're saying should go over to canva canva should have their own llm that can generate these things on the fly and make them available and so to me this is just it's it's in the crawl walk run this is the crawl phase of this no and what you're

SPEAKER_26: asking for is more like in the walk and run but they're going to get there super fast yeah you

SPEAKER_03: shouldn't like i i completely agree with you you should be able to give it exactly what you're looking for and and have it uh and have it do that yeah see if i just asked chat gpt4 make me some

SPEAKER_286: sarcastic motivational poster slogans that are incredible job actually depressing for workers

SPEAKER_337: and this is where like you're asking you to do comedy here or be witty

SPEAKER_127: um okay here's a table teamwork makes the dream work but nightmares are also dreams

SPEAKER_81: that's a good one i mean you can workshop that find the corporate ladder it's just like snakes

SPEAKER_127: and ladders because but more snakes live for the weekdays because your week weekends because days are owned by us that's darn think outside the box but stay inside your cubicle there's your winner

SPEAKER_345: dress for the job you want which is still probably not this one one fell harder so we have someone to blame oh these are good your ideas matter just not to us nick's heard that one before for me reach for the stars but don't expect the rays oh that's pretty

SPEAKER_127: good so if i were to take these see what i want to do is take these and look at it and he actually explained it uh which is pretty funny you didn't this success is one percent inspiration 99 perspiration and 100 office politics is that's really good it's great uh please uh remove column two and give me just column one okay now if i take these and i just have the one column i should be able to cut these paste them into the canvas thread and say show me these with a motivational image behind them but

SPEAKER_26: it's not going to put the right image behind it you know what i'm saying i don't think i don't think i think the integration is still a little bit early uh but let's give it a try i i haven't tried it

SPEAKER_357: gpt4 plugins okay um put these slogans on top of inspirational posters let's see let's see if it comes

SPEAKER_35: anywhere close to doing it see this this also makes me wonder if the people who are building

SPEAKER_81: these plugins are even coming up with the use case or they're just yeah so it's just giving you

SPEAKER_26: templates to use it it's not a deep integration it's not a deep integration it's not even putting

SPEAKER_61: the poster it's not even understanding that i want these slogans on top of it yeah but that's not a ton

SPEAKER_364: of work i mean hopefully someone from canva watches this and they can implement it pretty quickly

SPEAKER_30: embarrassing to my friends at canva embarrassing like just schlocky work sorry no i'm joking it i mean i understand it's like this is like come back on the podcast melly come back on the podcast

SPEAKER_70: we love you you're awesome no i mean do better come on come on people i mean it yeah it seems like is it

SPEAKER_103: that the plugin architecture is janky is that the problem no no no the plugin architecture is really

SPEAKER_13: good in fact which one's the best plugin right now that you use or i'm super or super impressed by because this did not impress me this is more work than just using canva well wool from alpha like if

SPEAKER_00: you really want access to like kind of fax does an incredible job um you know what's really interesting is uh zillow is gone oh zillow took theirs off yeah because it was so bad well i don't know i thought it

SPEAKER_03: was like again heading in the right direction but i think it's sort of this you know fear of chat gpt becoming

SPEAKER_07: like the apex aggregator and so if everyone is just going there and searching for things and you're just a data source then your business has less value so well you lose the interface you lose

SPEAKER_11: the customer relationship i mean that really is why people should not do these plugins yeah because

SPEAKER_13: you don't have the email of the person yeah you don't know why they're searching this they can be scraping your data and you just gave up any monetization so yeah but this is where the case

SPEAKER_26: like if they link you out like you're never going to be able to edit that poster in chat gpt like

SPEAKER_07: canva still canva still has like a lot of value proposition in my mind there well if they're going

SPEAKER_190: multimodal i have a feeling i could find the templates i like and then just tell chat gpt if they're going

SPEAKER_13: multimodal to do what i just asked it to do yeah that i mean see this is where i think this relationship between the language models and the verticalized software i think they got to put chat gpt in canva they're going to put a language model into canva before canva is in chat gpt that's it full stop and

SPEAKER_89: you got to build enough accoutrement and features around it that people do not go to chat gpt for

SPEAKER_00: first well that that's starting to happen with the growth of the models right even in the last three

SPEAKER_07: or four weeks where we've been off um there's been some pretty significant news releases right from okay tell me code yeah so llama code which is uh you know meta's version of code interpreter uh was released and um you know made available for from an open source perspective uh you know falcon released a bunch of different models and different code llama which is l-l-a-m-a that is the coding tool this is

SPEAKER_127: like co-pilot for um or code interpreter from zuckerberg from meta yeah yes and they made it open source

SPEAKER_38: they made it open source there so here it is introducing code llama an ai tool for coding and so

SPEAKER_127: this will be better than whatever chat gpt does do you think because it's open source and people can

SPEAKER_38: rip on it and edit it and fork it and do all kinds of interesting things yes and yeah so let me give you two

SPEAKER_26: different answers there currently i think based on industry agreed upon benchmarks it's not as good as

SPEAKER_07: code interpreter okay but because it has the ability for folks to modify it um it's going to get there quickly and so on this one you know i know you like this jay cal i'll say by january of 2024 this will

SPEAKER_13: surpass the capability of code interpreter fascinating yeah so this conversation you and i had at the start of our journey doing this week in ai basically every week the distance between chat gpt4 and everybody else is starting to narrow specifically in certain verticals code being one of them interesting and

SPEAKER_320: then what happened with falcon now is falcon explain what falcon language model is to everybody so that's

SPEAKER_26: uh that's a language model i think created in the uae in fact yes and uh they have uh different size

SPEAKER_07: models um and and just to kind of go back you know what different parameter sizes i think they have everything ranging from like 1 billion to 30 billion and the way for folks to think about the parameter size is like neurons the more parameters there are like the smarter the model is and it was most likely trained even on more and more data exactly and so they now have a bunch of different models uh that they've released 180 billion is is going to be pretty significant and just for for reference um open ai hasn't published how big gpt4 is but i think the consensus is that it's it's um it's like four or five 200 billion parameter models working together um and again they haven't published this but people have you know kind of uh people are saying this is what it looks like and so um it still would be you know i guess have five times more neurons than say falcon 180 b yeah and this is amazing

SPEAKER_232: the uae has bought a ton of big iron and they're working on this and making it open source as well so you

SPEAKER_284: can go see it on hugging faces the falcon 180 b demo yeah and you can play with it and download it and yeah exactly you can do whatever you want with it yeah yeah uh and so if i were to put in here what are some great themes for a gang for a party in new york city i wonder how it does um masquerade

SPEAKER_38: ball roaring 20s they got that one great gatsby skyline and themed broadway musical theme party that's not bad mad men not bad urban rooftop movie night classic films of new york that's that's not bad speakeasy prohibition era pretty good superhero inspired jazz age okay not bad

SPEAKER_402: yeah uh pretty similar kind of makes sense right gotham city gotham city metropolis always kind of

SPEAKER_38: have fun with that bunch of people running around manhattan outfits um all right it's amazing we have time for one more demo give me your next best demo here and we covered a lot of ground today

SPEAKER_243: we did i gotta get back on my lp calls raising fund four halfway there oh yeah man raising a fund in uh the

SPEAKER_38: worst economic market in 13 years 14 years what a great idea thanks jay pal i mean it literally is

SPEAKER_127: like you know i've never received so many i love you i want to be in business with you we are closed for

SPEAKER_38: business this year in my life but i'm halfway there so i feel pretty good about it in this market if

SPEAKER_408: you're getting halfway there that's i'll get the rest i'll get the rest it's going to take me another

SPEAKER_26: six months um this one uh i'm not going to do a demo because i was having an issue with my api key with it but i really want to push people this because this problem comes up all the time so and in fact even uh you and nick were going back and forth on something with respect to headshots but basically um it's you know headshots uh enhanced by ai what you do is you give it you know some photos of yourself and then basically give it you know some time to work its magic and then turn those into professional

SPEAKER_07: headshots and i know people need this all the time it's a very very simple use case but it's a common use case and we need it and i have i thought it was like super exciting and uh i have seen people

SPEAKER_61: using this there was one uh thing that people got a little upset about which i guess everybody reads

SPEAKER_13: into these but uh a woman had done them i saw this uh on the on the the twitter slash x x formerly known

SPEAKER_31: as twitter and it made them a little too what's the word here uh it was a little too sexy oh okay and

David Friedberg: you know like you know it was almost like making her an anime character in terms of proportions and stuff and she's like what the it's a business headshot not a anime superhero um and so and then

SPEAKER_13: there's also i think some people who were like wait a second this is turning me from this race into this race so uh there were there i think that's a bit of an interpretation problem like i don't think you can read into it that the ai wants you to be another ethnic ethnicity it's just probably got a bad

SPEAKER_260: training set of data right well it's not just training set you know you got to remember these

SPEAKER_26: things are all tuned with a process called uh you know reinforcement learning with human feedback that involves humans and it involves humans and their references and you know we what no one really tells us is like well what is the makeup of those you know uh human feedback reinforcement learners right and you know um and i know like a lot of this open ai had talked about this in the past they had it done in africa i think they had teams uh you know kind of spread across africa doing a lot of this work and the reinforcement learning work the reinforcement learning work right and so a lot of this can the the models themselves may or even the training data may not have as much bias in it but the definitely the humans doing the reinforcement learning like we're humans we're going to have bias in it

SPEAKER_312: so i think it's something you got to be mindful of uh with these with all of these technologies

SPEAKER_421: it's becoming a viral trend if you just type in make ai professional headshots yeah you can always

SPEAKER_38: tell when something's like making money because there were four ads for services to do this oh really

SPEAKER_13: oh wow okay yeah 29 per person done in two hours um only 25 for a collection of six custom headshots now you think about what it would cost to get a professional headshot made you got to find a photographer they're going to charge you at least 100 200 bucks to come take your photo somewhere

David Friedberg: it's going to take four or five hours of your day here you take a couple pictures of yourself yeah and you're done this is pretty go buy a suit if you don't have one no that's the crazy part

SPEAKER_13: is you can put yourself in you'd be like put me in armani suits put me in some great suits and um we're good and then you show up for work you don't own any suits they're like hey what happened to your suits sunny hilarious all right everybody metaverse yeah that's another uh this week in ai with sunny madra and jay cow we will see you next monday with another amazing episode we're going to try to be consistent producer nick in having every monday be all that ai goodness for you so wake up monday get that um this week in ai with sunday madra and your boy jay cow and we'll see

SPEAKER_190: you all next time on this week in startups bye bye