SPEAKER_00: okay everybody it has been an amazing year from frank slootman joining us back in january to breaking down this spf crypto drama in the fourth quarter molly it's an incredible amount

SPEAKER_01: of news we covered this year as co-host your first year as co-host of this week in startups so now it's time for the twisties the annual this week in startups awards what can people expect

SPEAKER_04: people we have like a lot there is a lot going on because it was a hell of a year we've got best memes we got best props on our show we have notable people we have great startups of course this week in startups and the best content from our show the best interviews the best co-hosts it is going to

SPEAKER_06: be a wild romp best chemistry i mean it's just a wild romp through some of the greatest events in a very memorable year gonna be a great show stick with us this week in startups is brought to you by

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Chamath Palihapitiya: and there is the famous 2022 twisty awards opening yes it's a gala event i'm wearing my sequins molly

SPEAKER_23: is dressed to the nines jason is not well molly i am wearing a very uh exclusive black t-shirt uh

SPEAKER_25: made by versace versus i mean honestly all the cool kids are rocking the black t-shirt what are you

SPEAKER_26: wearing what are you wearing all the crowd wants to know here on the runway molly what are you wearing

SPEAKER_28: i'm wearing rent the runway obviously rent the runway rent the runway i couldn't even be bothered to

SPEAKER_30: look and see what the brand is i just was like sequined jessica rabbit dress done and done okay

SPEAKER_33: well i brought my folks martinelli's you got your money and we are ready yes it's a very festive

SPEAKER_38: 2022 twisties now this is molly for your first time yeah this is where we take all the great moments that happened during the show and the academy the twisties academy then nominates their favorite moments and the academy votes for the winners we don't know the winners you and i

SPEAKER_42: do not host we do not this is very exciting it's very exciting they're going to be envelope rips we've created a sound rich i mean this is a show wait were you on this just twisties or

Jason Calacanis: do you remember i listened to them as an audience member and i thought how fun is this i cannot wait

SPEAKER_04: to do this for myself all right here we go all right we have a bunch of wonderful categories for

SPEAKER_49: you it is going to be a great show all right molly our first category let's get right to it

SPEAKER_23: let's do everybody loves we start off with a bang everybody loves our props during the show our props yes now example oh there it is there it is red flag one of our nominees the red flag

SPEAKER_54: absolutely two now some people think that this is because of my propensity to make inappropriate comments yes on the show others think it's because of jason's propensity to make inappropriate comments on the show either way the red flags have come in useful many times over the course

SPEAKER_23: all right so let's see we have episode 1379 red flag uh metrics for vcs episode 1610 red flags in crypto and episode 1512 zach coleus answers how much dilution after seed rounds turns in to a red flag all of those different ones now all right molly one of the great great uh props is not just a red flag something that you and i love it's a gadget sometimes it has a logo on it yep we we both have

SPEAKER_04: them here with us today because that's how ever present this prop is it's the good old ember mug we aren't as users we're gifters we give these frequently give away the ember mug all right so that's prop number

SPEAKER_23: two in our this is a very coveted category it is and then finally need we say more rivka rivka good old

SPEAKER_04: don julio this was a one-time prop one-time only prop so far when jason gifted us all with don julio and it's not finally by the way there are more props in here don julio though high on my list

SPEAKER_07: has a very delightful prop i think you may notice over the course of the year that the level of my

SPEAKER_69: don julio went down a little faster than jason's i was about to say i was talking to the prop department

SPEAKER_23: uh last week while i was doing the end of year audit and uh they said we had uh two cases of don julio props in in inventory and suddenly they're all missing uh but uh we're just trying to track those

SPEAKER_75: down molly i don't know if you have any uh i don't know sharing is caring okay there it is

SPEAKER_76: when it comes to that and then finally my beloved cafe du monde chicory coffee uh the backbone of the live shows uh it's delightful you make iced coffee with this you leave it 22 hours overnight 20 hours ah so rich such great flavor so it comes in that beautiful iconic can i got my very own courtesy

SPEAKER_04: of our producers and you here at this weekend startups i had never had it you were so horrified that two cans showed up the next day yes and then i taught myself how to make cold beer it was huge

SPEAKER_28: it's huge all right so these are those are the four and we like the drama molly the winner is i'm

SPEAKER_87: i'm showing my card the winner is is don julio of course of course who could not pick the don julio

SPEAKER_73: special edition and you know it was really inspired by we work and the debauchery over there and the uh

SPEAKER_91: fact that you have played such a prominent role in one of the little bit of debauchery

SPEAKER_26: i mean it was the most iconic company in terms of misbehavior and shenanigans of the last cycle

SPEAKER_95: not crimes just shenanigans shenanigans some of them funny some of them loathsome

SPEAKER_97: but the uh don julio did play a big role in the show and uh congratulations to don julio congratulations

SPEAKER_102: tom newman wherever you are thanks thanks for all the delightful days slash weeks of uh imbibing don julio and i want to say that the reason that it wins prop of the year according to our producers is

SPEAKER_04: that although it only appeared for a brief moment in time one time each of us got one bottle yeah we

SPEAKER_25: still get fan messages about it we do it just was so impactful people loved the don julio experiment in

SPEAKER_23: a way you know there might be other props that are more important to the show you know dare i say the flag i i thought flag was going to be bigger because it happened so consistently but the truth is you know sometimes fan favorites sometimes there's a little virtue signaling in the voting i don't want to say the academy is trying to make themselves feel good about their vote but there has been some controversy twisties so julio here we go hashtag so julio all right this next category now this is one that most people don't get to see molly tee this one up this is a very important one to our producers

SPEAKER_04: this is like yeah exactly this is a little honorable mention from the producers of the most used specific

SPEAKER_110: emojis yes that defined the culture here at twist this is so good all right we have number one

SPEAKER_116: one is when i have to repeat myself all of these are basically subtweeting me but when i have to

SPEAKER_117: repeat myself for the third or fourth time where something goes wrong i use the slapping your hand

SPEAKER_23: on the face emoji but also the producers have adopted it when when molly maybe takes it too far

SPEAKER_110: what i don't know what you're talking about okay well you'll have to talk to hr about that amazing our second behind the scenes emoji slash subtweets one of my favorites i remember the day i think i dropped this into your chat and you were like what is this and it became emoji i'm waiting for briefly

SPEAKER_06: our favorite there it is the stand up and salute emoji yes this is fantastic because when you are an

SPEAKER_23: authoritarian authoritarian dictator like myself uh and you have an edict you just want a yes chef you want a confirmation that it's been heard you know sometimes you you ask for something and you just you don't need a big sentence back or an explanation of why it didn't happen whatever you just want a quick yes chef the bear you know salute and sometimes it's a salute

SPEAKER_00: in recognition molly that you got the message or it could be like well done so we will sometimes have somebody nail it as on the production side or a great hot take and you know any of those reasons

SPEAKER_91: the salute can come up in the producer chat and again it can and it really it ripped through here

SPEAKER_04: like wildfire we were in love with this one obviously took on some larger cultural significance

SPEAKER_06: later in the year as well so i think we can just say the salute had a big year in 2022 wait what was

SPEAKER_129: the larger culture reference of the salute that's what all the that's what all the resigning twitter

SPEAKER_131: employees were posted yes that is true oops oh no fly zone 2022 goes so it's over now it's over we

SPEAKER_138: don't use that one anymore yes uh but yes the salute always uh yes used by many people many people um

SPEAKER_23: salute this last one it's it could be problematic i'm surprised this emoji hasn't been canceled

SPEAKER_04: what really this emoji is the the chef's kiss slash uh i guess you're right like it's a little excited

SPEAKER_100: italian hand gesture like oh what are you doing i thought this was two of these up mike savino will

SPEAKER_146: talk to you in the meeting what are you talking about this thing's got no recurring revenue the accounting is crazy mike savino is going to give you one of those not gap accounting did you see the

SPEAKER_04: little girl that went viral on tick tock who no is like a little italian girl ranting about something or other i mean she's probably like four and she's like she's got the hands like she's doing it's

SPEAKER_153: amazing it's unbelievable she looks like carmella soprano okay we like to think of this as the chef's

SPEAKER_38: kiss emoji but also it could be a little bit of the like come on what are you talking about it is a it's a capiche understand yeah or just well done it it you have to interpret this one

SPEAKER_23: all three you know to me i don't yeah i mean go ahead molly open the envelope this time you open

SPEAKER_138: the envelope and the winner is okay of course the face palm it's the face palm because it's so

SPEAKER_165: versatile it could be for when we make a mistake it could be for molly is inappropriate in other words

SPEAKER_23: monday thursday friday and sunday or it could be some human being in the world in our industry just does something just absolutely yeah just stupid and my lord the stupidity this year a lot of stupidity train has not ended so yeah i think face i think facepalm earned it in a way just for the effort of the

SPEAKER_95: performance you know i feel like salute you know it was great it didn't put in a lot of work it kind

SPEAKER_32: of went through the performance capiche great a little bit niche but i think everybody can appreciate that

SPEAKER_153: 2022 there was a lot of facepalm going on this year big facepalm it earned it earned it's an homage to producer next ptsd the face palm emoji internally and externally two things we always talk about on

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SPEAKER_181: this is something wrong you guys not why would you do this to me this poor guy i don't know this is this is elder abuse it is maybe this is this is elder abuse it's not cool i mean listen you know you

SPEAKER_184: the academy selects what it selects what can you do yeah i'm out of this that this you did have to do

SPEAKER_23: this okay best meme of the year okay this is a great one candidates first up the will chris rock

SPEAKER_73: the will smith chris lock slap y'all had a lot of fun with this i did not approve this or make this

SPEAKER_188: one less no prof g gets a restraining order against me we've been doing so well we haven't

SPEAKER_04: brought him up in forever i've literally been i've been listening to pivot i'm like becoming a fan

SPEAKER_191: and yet this was such a versatile we just we only pulled this up to show an example of how versatile

SPEAKER_102: this meme became it became the new like guy walking down the street looking at the other girl like for

SPEAKER_110: a while that was the one but no once you had the will smith chris rock slap it was endlessly endless

SPEAKER_73: opportunities i had a good one i thought you know i this was my response after i saw the uh will smith smack i was like oh will smith at the end of the oscars i thought this was pretty good uh you know the day after yeah the day after he's like i'm just going to erase everybody's memory of this

SPEAKER_105: it's the picture from uh men in black yeah yeah good one second on the list molly is for me of the year

SPEAKER_04: meme of the year the minions rise of grew theater shenanigans all of these young men inexplicably getting this like pandemic of an idea nobody knows exactly where it started to go to the minions movie which of course was one of the first big releases back in theaters like this was pre-maverick

SPEAKER_110: this was a movie that people were going to and they were getting all dressed up in suits and having like a little rocky horror show picture party and then of course all the theater owners were like boo

SPEAKER_210: we don't like fun but it swept the nation all right the next one man this is the one that's my lead candidate guy explaining to girl or vice versa this is people had a little fun with these memes

SPEAKER_73: uh by putting molly and i in them uh there was the one of the uh very tall attractive blonde with the

SPEAKER_214: short like jacked guy you remember that one as well yeah we might need to find that one we need to pull

SPEAKER_188: that that's what started it that's what started it but these i think these are bookends right which is

SPEAKER_23: person absolutely feeling dead inside while the other person enthusiastically explained something to

SPEAKER_50: them so here molly is explaining to me and crypto this year that's all of us crypto she's a crypto gal

SPEAKER_102: just but i there was something about the the the album covers the this weekend startups ones and they

SPEAKER_04: were matching there were his and hers ones and i'm sorry they made me laugh so hard every time even when

SPEAKER_125: i saw this in the awards as a nominee today i burst out laughing okay and then of course molly this next

SPEAKER_73: one for halloween was absolutely brilliant it swept the interwebs somebody even made a couple of these of

SPEAKER_23: me um this one wasn't me this is just your generic what would they call these costumes these are like the

Jason Calacanis: costumes off the shell off the rack off the rack from the spirit halloween store specifically and it's always like which sexy nurse cat naughty and so then everybody sexy i don't know where the blank one

SPEAKER_06: came from but it was freaking genius and it was such a funny meme that spirit halloween stores tweeted about it and was like yeah it's big it's come to our attention that people are making these into

Jason Calacanis: other costumes and just so you know that's not like peanuts just it went right over them just whiffed

SPEAKER_230: oh my gosh can you imagine people coming into the store with venture capitalists comes with generic

SPEAKER_76: advice fair term sheet sense of superiority patagonia invest not included imagine somebody coming and saying can i get this and the poor teenager behind the counter like i don't know there's a wall

SPEAKER_233: of these go take a look we don't have this in the v's and they're like sexy vampire sexy zebra sexy xylophone fire man somewhere sexy it's gotta be here somewhere between x and z this is the

SPEAKER_06: halloween we grew up on oh my god yeah fair term sheet we should say that's in quotes that's now

SPEAKER_95: this is a tough one this is a tough one you know i hate to prejudge before we open the envelope but i

SPEAKER_00: am going to give my prediction i i think it's gotta be it's got to be the the guy slash girl screaming at tears that that's the front runner for me this would be like goodfellas losing to dances with wolves if it doesn't win i don't know how you feel about this one i think explainer bro explainer chick

SPEAKER_123: cannot cannot be robbed let's find out all right i mean and i'm also a little confused that stunning

Chamath Palihapitiya: and maybe that was just a little too popular that stunning didn't make it here but okay maybe it was niche you're the only person i heard do that okay here we go the winner is

SPEAKER_04: okay guy explaining to girl and girl explaining to guy wow we're moving at a great pace molly

SPEAKER_218: best gadget better than the oscars of the year best gadget of the year it's a tough one okay candidates

SPEAKER_04: included because not a big gadget year apple watch series eight yes mainly because you said all the

SPEAKER_110: watches sucked until the eight so there we go and i think both of us discovered pay with your watch

SPEAKER_00: which is cool yeah i started using it yes i knew it existed but apple watch six or apple watch eight was the one where i think it became a good product took them eight swings at bat steve jobs would have

SPEAKER_254: never released it until it was like at seven i think but it's just me yeah i don't know i don't know

SPEAKER_04: that's a whole that's a whole other discussion let's keep going with the awards with the nominees

SPEAKER_110: headphones had a big year over the ear headphones went wild there was the release of the airpods max

SPEAKER_06: there were these like cool looking sony's they were all these like super sleek over-the-ear

Jason Calacanis: headphones and even airpod alternatives because this was also the year that everyone discovered that your airpods are never freaking connected to the right thing if they are not if they are connected

SPEAKER_97: at all yes headphones big year i was a big fan of the pixel buds myself because they're 99 and they're flush with your ear so when you sleep with them and you go to sleep with an audiobook or this week in startups you get that nice pillow feel ipad pro with the floating keyboard that's a big one amongst venture capitalists um harkens back to my major 2010 troll of me having the ipad early right

SPEAKER_261: causing steve jobs to have even more eye rolling when he heard the name calacanis

SPEAKER_264: that was my relationship with steve jobs was just him hearing calacanis and rolling his eyes

Jason Calacanis: why do i even know this guy's name that is hilarious and then on our list the smart home gym specifically the tonal for making this thirst trap tweet possible it's coming it's coming this summer jason writes

SPEAKER_49: my thirst trap this summer is gonna break this website yes i'm referring to he tweeted on november 26

SPEAKER_110: and then uh the tonal it's a solid experience when a hotel has tonal like the proper hotel in austin does i mean this is the year that peloton faded i don't want to use the d-word faded bed yeah i was

SPEAKER_207: a that is exactly what i was going to say and my mental red flag stopped me yeah they had the bed

SPEAKER_274: just say hat they had the bed they had the bed and tonal took the crown swooped in people love

SPEAKER_279: that oh we got this yeah all right and the winner winner for best gadget of this year on this week in startups the envelope please oh over the ear headphones oh the headphones very good i think

SPEAKER_76: everybody feel very good about the new wave of headphones anything other than airpods which you make you look like a dork congratulations to all the new over headphones i i'm a big fan of the anchor ones because they're affordable my wife buys it because i buy the anchors how is anchor not on this list anchor all all anchor well yes anchors you can get for under 50 and if i were to give you the anchors the sound cores and i gave you if i literally put anchor sound cores on put on pink floyd the wall or dark side of the moon dark side of the moon even better and then i put on the apple 600 ones and i put the bows on i i think you couldn't you would randomly pick really randomly pick it would

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SPEAKER_218: best media of the year yeah we gotta choose this includes movies tv shows this is our version if

SPEAKER_04: you will of the ao scott choice okay we gotta choose number one okay okay we watched a lot of good stuff thanks to uh our buddy lon yes and this week in streaming every thursday is lon harris follow him at lon's on twitter he's hysterical and he writes our inside streaming newsletter and

Jason Calacanis: thanks to him watching tvs and movies became a very unexpected part of my um new job yes as a vc and podcast host yeah all right pop culture pop culture to choose from we crashed in which we popped open

SPEAKER_110: bottles of don julio and started sipping at 10 30 in the morning that did happen that happened as we

SPEAKER_309: watched and enjoyed we crashed top gun maverick okay uh film of the year clearly uh incredible

SPEAKER_04: i'm a little embarrassed it's testament to the workload that i've only watched it three times

SPEAKER_312: that's not true i'm gonna watch it a second time uh in my home theater oh yeah i think i need to see

SPEAKER_54: it again i saw it twice in theaters and then i've watched it twice at home it's been and it just keeps

SPEAKER_76: getting better i don't mean to name drop but i was talking to jeffrey katzenberg when it first came out i said what's the best film of the year because we always talk cinema um both cinema buffs and uh mr katzenberg i call him mr katzenberg of course i try to be respectful he said uh maverick i've seen it uh three times and this is when the women i said hey you know after the poker game let's both win let's go see it a fourth time i haven't seen it yet and he said yeah let's go we didn't wind up going but uh i did see it and i do have to confirm that this was

SPEAKER_23: pure spectacle made you feel great it's amazing they didn't try to give you a message other than american exceptionalism individual excellence and sacrifice all the things that americans are now ashamed of being or some group of americans are ashamed of our military might individual excellence

SPEAKER_319: sacrifice teamwork egolessness not being like a snowflake this is a great movie macho bs it was

SPEAKER_193: awesome also i think we got the chance to show the chinese what our airplanes really can do with that one scene with the you know the fifth generation fighter we have that that's a warning i don't know

SPEAKER_323: is this triggering for it was just triggering for uh gen z's uh do you think to watch americans this is

SPEAKER_04: not a car honestly i love top gun so top the original top gun is my favorite movie in life and i don't this is a conversation that if a gen z started it with me i would immediately shut it down i would just be like you know what you do you i don't i don't want to hear it this is my favorite

SPEAKER_00: thing you will not ruin this for me it was a distinct no it was a distinct difference this film when you talk to generations i think gen xers you know because we had this we had top gun in our childhoods

SPEAKER_95: yeah you know we had that affinity for it but a lot of people i think are like anti-military for some reason maybe it's because they don't remember any wars and america having to go kick some goddamn but to save democracy around the world and y'all think that you can just make web pages and tick tocks and that's gonna save your ass it's not when you get in the thick of it and you're up to your knees in the and you got that you know m16 and you you need just some fighter support then you're gonna realize you need maverick okay i don't mean to get crazy here i changed my profile

SPEAKER_110: picture and it fixed everything i don't know what you're talking about producer rachel our gen z

SPEAKER_102: correspondent confirms that this movie was in fact loved by all there we go why was it just your reason

SPEAKER_333: no she just said it's left by all like there wasn't there wasn't it didn't get canceled because

SPEAKER_336: it was freaking awesome and because oh because i got because one hot guys two big planes yeah fast planes and hot guys all right sounds good to me it's a volleyball scenes on the beach all good

SPEAKER_339: waiting for them they brought in some hot girls like they did yeah i mean okay everybody was

SPEAKER_157: attractive everybody had a buff body yeah i mean this is triggering it's a very triggering movie my god why are you trying to ruin this you're literally going to ruin it i know i have to you're

SPEAKER_191: trying to ruin it so great our third candidate for media of the year is the dropout yes which we

SPEAKER_104: loved you even said that there should be a follow-up to the dropout in five or ten years to see who's

SPEAKER_23: still in prison absolutely i i want to see elizabeth holmes in prison that's orange is the new black season eight whatever it is like can you imagine elizabeth holmes in prison like i would love to see

SPEAKER_110: that show makes itself it kind of does it kind of does it was a fantastic show fantastic performance by amanda seyfried we loved it we also loved though this is where it's getting tougher because we still

SPEAKER_355: have two candidates left obi-wan kenobi man great great obi-wan kenobi gave me everything i wanted mm-hmm could not find a bad thing to say about it and then andor isn't even on the list i think we got to add i'm going to call it audible and add andor here me too boom add andor here that's how did

SPEAKER_360: it in andor so obi-wan andor okay um both of these were amazing for different reasons and then finally

SPEAKER_279: severance oh right right severance so cerebral it's so haunting about what you said it is a manifesto

SPEAKER_110: this this i really hope that we can pull the clip of the conversation that we had about this in which jason goes it seems like maybe like work can be kind of soul-sucking for people i have a lot of feelings

SPEAKER_369: about the corporate architecture here yes that i would like to share i think that this is uh is the

SPEAKER_370: word tris treat treaty tristy what are they oh treaties treaties treaties is like a like a statement

SPEAKER_369: right yeah like a manifesto kind of manifesto i feel like this is a manifesto on uh the worst of capitalism and corporate culture because they are being indoctrinated uh to a culture and the culture is told by these weird um you know historical figures in the company and they're in a hall and they are

SPEAKER_376: praised and lauded it's a blend between what we think of as a corporate history or the corporate way of talking about the company and religion like it's it's a cult it is it dip it and and i think what

SPEAKER_369: they're saying is you know hey look you're when you go work at a company you're giving up your life and you're giving up your life and the way they get you to give up your life is through this culture and through this you know ceremony and it is modern day religion in fact corporate culture borrowed a lot from religion hey what is our mission here mission statement what are our values when we use those things in startup land and i encourage people to use those in startup land i worked on our mission statements you know at companies companies we've invested in companies i've created we back builders is our new credo here at launch as an investment firm and i worked on that like what are we really about here and can i get it down to its essence and can i get people to give up their lives to then come on this mission and and um that's a commerce decision on one level people are getting paid for time but they're they are also giving up a significant portion of their waking hours right and the show shows that when they are outies it's always nighttime it's always dark they've given up the best hours of their lives so i think what whoever wrote this might be signaling or their axe to grind and i don't know who wrote this or what their axe to grind is it's a relative newcomer named dan erickson okay yeah i need to meet this guy yeah i'd love to because somebody who gets it because i think what he's saying is like be careful who you decide to give your waking hours to yep and they would rather the ideal capitalist society would be for you to not even question or think about this and it's manifested i think brilliantly in the intercorporate or the interdepartment rather right relationships yes where they're not even supposed to know one another yeah don't know and nobody's allowed to

SPEAKER_390: know what we do in a way so you know what you do but then there's christopher walken's group and what they do nobody's allowed to know and then when they meet each other they're great yeah they're breaking

SPEAKER_369: all kinds of rules here and i immediately thought about the disparity between an amazon warehouse worker and an amazon corporate worker in seattle an apple store worker and an apple uh corporate worker a postmates uber lyft door dash driver and the corporate executives who are making the software

SPEAKER_390: and they're not allowed to talk to each other they're two different classes of employees they're not they're in different buildings they don't fraternize and it's part of a control culture because

SPEAKER_369: if the people in corporate right the apple employees at the space station who are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars probably on average and who have perks that are absurd there was a huge disparity they used to pay mcdonald level wages from what i understand like you know 9 10 11 dollars at apple until they were shamed into hitting 14 15 16 and a lot of it has to do with people who work at apple going to the apple stores and saying is this right right well and imagine them going to

SPEAKER_399: foxconn right like and then foxconn's another level the people who are in the apple store would be looking at those folks and saying well we get paid now 25 30 bucks an hour whatever it is we get health care benefits those people are jumping off buildings yeah i mean i think all right i'll stop there with what the guilt slash realization without a doubt without i started to have watching the show so to whoever wrote it mission accomplished i'm a rabid capitalist and it made me think what are we actually creating here

SPEAKER_104: this might be about corporate culture and those of us who have not been the boss of everything since we were 30 we're like yeah 22 but 22 but whatever i'm sorry 22 30 years exactly years of being

SPEAKER_102: let's just say the man was crowned early and there are still some things we have to teach him such as work can be soul-sucking in corporate culture i don't get it i'm sorry for people i'm like what

SPEAKER_26: there's blood on your sword well that's what that's what happens with swords they get blood on them it's okay oh yeah oh you got some blood on your armor that's why you're wearing armor that's the other

SPEAKER_104: person's blood it's okay i truly i truly tell people often when they ask about what it's like to work for you i'm like you know jason has been a king his entire life that's it it's so weird

SPEAKER_138: like it's just like that's just the deal it is well i mean you have to be self-aware if you have

SPEAKER_209: i i always use humor uh i think you have to be self-aware and you know this is this is a great

SPEAKER_23: collection of shows um this is a great this is a tough one this is a tough one i mean i so i mean i'll tell you why this is such a good list lon is such a great curator of this stuff and we could have

SPEAKER_76: done this in two separate categories i mean we could do this but we're doing this with lon on this week in streaming to a certain extent by going through the top 10 films but all of these are worthy of your time and all of these are worthy of a second viewing and in fact molly has done second and their feelings of maverick but i would i i watched up and i watched the last three or four episodes of

SPEAKER_91: andor with my wife a second time and got more out of them the second time just unbelievable and or is

SPEAKER_04: fantastic we crashed in the dropout were so relevant to us yes so incredibly done and performed that both of them stick with us and now we have to choose and like we might not even agree i don't

SPEAKER_132: know what's going to happen now well why don't i ask before we open the envelope and see what the academy

SPEAKER_23: decided right because the academy does this is their moment to shine we are just but the hosts

SPEAKER_36: for you as the host give me your who who do you think the academy will pick and who do you actually pick who do you think the academy will pick who will you pick i have my thoughts here some recency here

SPEAKER_218: too recency bias no no recency bias i mean you know i'm going to pick maverick because of everything

SPEAKER_06: i just said about how it's my number one favorite movie of all time and literally like my timer ringtone is the top gun music like that's what a nerd i am not sure what do you think the academy is going

SPEAKER_432: to do but i could see the very difficult decision for the academy i could see the academy going going

SPEAKER_04: star wars because we spent a lot of show hours talking about it i think they're going to reach

SPEAKER_36: back to obi-wan okay because it was such a revelation yes i you know i believe the academy

SPEAKER_38: is going to be biased towards something that is topical like the dropout or we crashed and we had a lot of laughs about we crash we did but the dropout was better so i think academy's going dropout okay because they want to stay in line with the theme you know they're very much into startups this academy is very much into that right culture of startups uh and the building of companies well what do you choose yeah for me it's andor right now and i think it's i'm suffering from a little

SPEAKER_210: recency bias because that is the most recent of this list that i've watched but i felt like it added something to my favorite science fiction after blade runner you know childhood it added something

SPEAKER_76: to my childhood as an adult in the same way obi-wan did but even better because obi-wan was what i expected and andor was something i didn't expect right so in a way obi-wan series fed my childhood in in just fill my like 12 year old heart you know not to be sentimental but then andor um you know really spoke in in the same way severance did to my more adult self and more thoughtful life is complicated right like andor is about complicated issues and nuance as is severance the nuance of authoritarianism in the workplace and soul crushingness and corporations not having a soul and then

SPEAKER_03: individuals having to buy into it and or is like well i'm a terrorist or am i a freedom fighter right and am i are these authoritarians and am i the hero against terrorists exactly and am i the hero of

SPEAKER_430: my own story like my mom would tell me growing up always every villain is the hero of his own story

SPEAKER_04: and no i think story told that better than andor the winner is the academy is obi-wan obi-wan wow wow

SPEAKER_00: wow okay there it is i mean i think they really did also get into the joy of it congratulations to

SPEAKER_04: congratulations everyone it also like brought i'm gonna say this is a this is a a well thought out

SPEAKER_110: choice by the academy because obi-wan like rescued the star wars franchise right like it was on the ropes

SPEAKER_04: a little lando didn't land that's right and they had canceled the yearly releases and it was kind of like

SPEAKER_462: what and it was if that was a little people weren't digging it fine yeah it definitely things yeah

SPEAKER_23: all right here we go now let's get into notable people everybody loves the people best twitter

SPEAKER_323: follow of the year okay best follow of the year uh that guy casey casey casey what's the spot

SPEAKER_467: casey last name i always get his last name uh damon newton casey with the good hair that's what i'm

SPEAKER_23: gonna call him he's got great hair i am so jelly i mean listen i'm a straight uh i'm a straight boring guy if i was gay i'm casey would be kind of my guy that's like that's kind of my type i'm just saying great i love it funny he's got a sense of humor he's a he's an entrepreneur very funny very tall listen i'm just saying if you were if i because you know like i'm a kind of macho toxic male

SPEAKER_167: he seems like a nice person i think he's like a very nice person he's also an entrepreneur great

SPEAKER_420: hair i feel like you misunderstood last show of the year and you're just trying to make it last show

SPEAKER_135: ever just just get cancelled in every segment because i'm just saying like if i was that might be in my zone no it's lovely it's a it is a weird compliment but it's a compliment so we've included casey right now casey with the great hair is just like no thanks he was like i'm out i'm out thank

SPEAKER_102: thank you though however his tweets this year by the way outstanding great newsletter at platformer some incredible reporting on topics we don't discuss but just really like he is on it and we

SPEAKER_110: included some of their top performing tweets as we go through them great awesome casey newton responding to jack nikus saying google has suspended parlor from the play store until it better polices its app uh and then he wrote wait until google finds out what's on youtube hey oh funny guys

SPEAKER_01: he's a good one that's a good one all right next up eric newcomer a friend of the show uh and he also a sub stacker uh independent journalist with an independent podcast that i was on recently deadcat bounce

SPEAKER_76: uh and uh he is um previously from bloomberg and the information and we've had him on the show

SPEAKER_110: forever uh you know extremely like thoughtful good good eye for what's happening in the world mm-hmm and then my favorite i'm making no bones about this one my favorite follow buco capital

SPEAKER_04: at buco capital yeah parody account yes absolutely bruce or nick's parody account like we often joke

SPEAKER_152: from the sopranos tony's childhood friend who has the italian restaurant totally and buco capital as it so

SPEAKER_110: imagine if arty buco tweeted about venture and investing basically it would be buco capital and we joke often internally part of the reason this is so funny is it always sounded like it was producer nick's

SPEAKER_06: burner account yes because some of the insights were so on point in the way that let's go to the academy's

SPEAKER_207: choice who's the winner molly who won oh my god i'm stressing that's fine okay got the envelope and the winner is

SPEAKER_496: so funny so insightful so hilarious hey everybody it's molly wood co-host of this week in startups and

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SPEAKER_504: stuff this is big stuff it's like best actor in a way right this is your i don't want to say villain

SPEAKER_23: but this is the notable character in the this week in startups universe so it's related to us right

SPEAKER_505: yeah uh this one goes to the wild ones the criminals the felons indeed it does the dummies you know

SPEAKER_207: i think you can guess immediately who our first candidate for main character of this week in

Jason Calacanis: startups is sam bakeman freed founder and ceo and scammer at ft chief scammer at ftx we talked about him so many times that i believe we started to get emails begging us to stop talking that's how you know

SPEAKER_62: you're the main character when people are like okay yes uh next up ryan breslow he stepped down as the

SPEAKER_210: he quietly stepped down uh as the ceo of a payments company i forgot the name of it

David Friedberg: it's anyway some payments company bolt and uh became the executive chair but he decided he would

SPEAKER_210: burn the building on the way out and uh did a thread criticizing y combinator and the mafia and the stripe mafia um and he tried to dunk on b on twitter uh and then uh yeah we got into a whole back and forth um and uh yeah i think now he is um uh doing dubstep dancing and i think he's the chairman of a

SPEAKER_76: psychedelic company so yeah he's got that like psychedelic no psychedelic research is very

SPEAKER_110: important so um congratulations to him he did say that he thinks his superpower in moving into a health company is that he doesn't know anything about it oh okay great sure so elizabeth holmes

SPEAKER_00: also right have that same approach uh hopefully it works out for you better so you know great great

SPEAKER_274: we back builders but all right was it bolt it was bolt yeah it was both right so early fast fast failed

SPEAKER_355: bolt did not fail bolt did not fail but ryan's struggling but yeah i mean we spent a lot of

Jason Calacanis: episodes on the mafia thing there were a lot of callbacks he would just like juice us with a tweet

SPEAKER_105: thread anytime you know we stopped talking about him and then he just went quiet it was a great three

SPEAKER_299: week descent into madness it was a good time and so congrats to him on uh and i'm blocked now so i don't know what his activity is on twitter oh i don't know if i ever followed him if i'm being honest

SPEAKER_04: all right uh also in main character nominees adam newman how could he not who we unironically

SPEAKER_110: kind of love after watching we crashed i mean it's jared leto's fault that we all like this guy so much because he did such an incredible job portraying him adam newman then had his triumphant

Jason Calacanis: return at the deal book conference with an interview that charmed us all anew and then he like put one of his own new startups out of business with a second startup like he came back with flow carbon chaos you know put the the carbon credits on the blockchain thing and then turn that into flow the real estate thing so still and like killed you know and then we had to have flow carbon

SPEAKER_210: on the show to be like are you dead and they were like kind of like the tom hanks of the twisties where like just every other year he's got an academy award-winning performance uh shout out to adam

SPEAKER_504: newman um you know just great just always you know it's kind of like life's like a box of chocolates

SPEAKER_76: philadelphia uh you know just the cast away tom always puts in adam and tom always put in a great

SPEAKER_210: performance always make for great content here and then finally uh friend of the show and uh criminal on the lam allegedly do kwan who famously tried to explain to me staking which i couldn't understand

SPEAKER_167: and red flags and face palms uh galore to do a little call back to earlier my lord he was on episode

SPEAKER_01: 1251 and then we talked about him on 1570 i mean this show has been going on for a while right yes he

SPEAKER_04: was on last year i was not here yet episode 1251 and then we were to we were talking about the fact that he was on the run there was an interpol notice put out for him on behalf of south korea and on episode

SPEAKER_104: 1570 we talked about how he was just like tweeting away and then being like i'm not going to tell you where i am unless you want to play a game like a location based game gen z criminals are awesome

SPEAKER_340: right they're just like the gen z criminals are just they hit different they're like you know what

SPEAKER_38: we're gonna they all think they're like the riddler or something or like the joker they can't just

SPEAKER_535: commit a crime and disappear no they're like some people just want to watch the world burn you and

SPEAKER_536: i need each other until kwan's like come and get me i'm in i'm right here or maybe i'm in your

SPEAKER_26: backyard literally and then strelly comes out of hiding and it's like oh by the way on some live

SPEAKER_390: stream the legion of dopes comes out and they're like you know what jail's not that bad it's not so

SPEAKER_167: bad don't cool i love it shrelly adam newman sam bankman fraud who's the uh the lady boss who um

SPEAKER_544: flipped on him this way carolyn ellison i mean they're just she's like poison ivy girl she is like poison ivy i think she's just like carolyn i want to know everything about carolyn ellison

SPEAKER_263: she's like wonder woman's adversary cheetah like yes oh my god and none of them can just stop like

SPEAKER_552: say you if you give you if can you imagine bernie madoff on live streams or tweeting can you imagine

SPEAKER_102: bernie madoff tweeting and this is true from like march to july four doquan tweets one you still poor

SPEAKER_333: may pretty sure he's poor january i don't gamble against the poor oh july god what i said was have

SPEAKER_191: fun staying poor i mean it's just imagine imagine ripping off investors and retail investors and every everybody in your life and then just doing to going on the lam and tweeting about how it sucks

SPEAKER_224: to be poor like rounding up yeah it's just crazy it's crazy rounding up villain of the year this one i forgot yeah me too this one is a doozy yeah better.com better.com ceo vishal garg remember this

SPEAKER_110: guy he was on the layoff train early he fired 900 people over zoom and then he said quote we probably

Jason Calacanis: pissed away 200 million dollars in a layoff meeting he accused at least 250 of the fired workers of stealing from the company through a lack of productivity and then he was sued by a former

SPEAKER_73: executive for allegedly misleading investors and this person is just i remember this story and we had to cover it multiple times yeah and it was just like dude you if you're laying people off like

SPEAKER_565: come on like there's a way to do this like treat people fairly have some compassion whatever like you don't have to blame them on the way out anyway was that this year that was all in 2022 wow i mean

SPEAKER_544: these these villains they piled up i mean if you want to know why socialists hate technology and

SPEAKER_105: companies here's exhibits a b c d these marauding capitalist nightmares exactly they're just and

SPEAKER_76: the lack of self-awareness i will say about adam newman he made people money he had a good spirit about it i kind of feel like he stands out on this list as maybe just being precocious uh more than

SPEAKER_50: being just sinister eccentric you know yeah misunderstood i don't feel that he's a robber

SPEAKER_575: he's kind of like an anti-hero in a way but who's the winner here he is he is all right but like

SPEAKER_577: let's open uh open the envelope let's give that a good rip and the winner is sam bankman freed i

Chamath Palihapitiya: mean i feel it's sort of like when uh meryl streep is nominated right everybody else is like it's an

SPEAKER_584: honor to be nominated like thanks i'm glad i got to get nominated everybody else is like i'm glad to be

SPEAKER_585: here yeah put the sequence on prepare you know like yeah don't don't need to spare speech you're

SPEAKER_586: not winning meryl street guy he's going to be the main character for a while oh next year is going to

SPEAKER_38: be so great the coverage of him next year i mean he's i guess he's going to go to trial i guess

SPEAKER_589: he's going to try to go for it i don't think he's i think he's going to go for it i think he's going to

SPEAKER_586: go to trial i think he's going to be extradited and everybody was like bro no no no no no no no

Jason Calacanis: also can we talk about how he went and said that he had a hundred thousand dollars in his bank account

SPEAKER_110: in one of his media interviews and then somehow posted a 250 million dollar bail i mean i know you only have to post 10 of it but still that's more than a hundred grand a lot of us are trying to

SPEAKER_210: figure that one out i you know i it's a bail is a complicated thing yes you want to make sure people don't go on the lam uh there are people who are dangerous so is he dangerous like is he going to go

SPEAKER_03: murder somebody no he doesn't have a violent history he's not like an armed robber or something

SPEAKER_599: right like if this if you're a rapist or a murderer like we get it like what do they call it when you don't get bail you don't get back right whatever you don't get that we understand that's what we call

SPEAKER_38: yeah yeah so you're denied bail in this case like he should i guess you should get bail and they take his he's give him an ankle bracelet they give him they take away his passport i still think this guy

SPEAKER_323: could go on the limb i i i think it's a small percentage he's like so delusional he doesn't

SPEAKER_38: think he has to if i was him honestly i i don't think he understands like he's going to spend 30 years in jail 40 years in jail the best years of life this kid should shave his head get on an e-bike

SPEAKER_210: and head to the mountains and like just disappear like grizzly man somehow get yourself up to alaska

SPEAKER_01: and go work like superman did on like a fishing boat remember in the man of seal like superman's like working on a fishing boat just to be like hidden out there and then it gets discovered because he has to

SPEAKER_259: save somebody's life or whatever yeah um this kid should just go great man fisherman do it go do

SPEAKER_105: don't go do kwan go play geo-located video games with do kwan and tweet about it like the two of them should go on the land well tokens on the lamp the two of them that's what i'm saying go on the

SPEAKER_552: land you should find do kwan and they should just get a fishing boat with a couple of bitcoin they should mcafee this remember mcafee yes totally mcafee was on the lamb until he died until he died in a

SPEAKER_00: spanish prison which if you're going to die in a prison spanish prison sounds kind of romantic

SPEAKER_610: that's not it's not the worst and it's a good dramatic end all right let's keep going bag secure

SPEAKER_207: as long as we're on the villain train this category i love that this exists bag secured the biggest bag or secured it the best this year all right this is uh this is reaching in deep here candidates michael mccaffrey the former ceo of the block this is so great this was amazing

Jason Calacanis: secured a large bag it came to light earlier this year that he received three loans from sam bankman

SPEAKER_191: freed let's remind everybody what the block is it's a publication a blog it's a blog it's not a newspaper right but it's news that covers the crypto industry and then it came to light that

Jason Calacanis: this guy michael mccaffrey former ceo of the block secured 43 million dollars in loans from sam bankman freed one of those loans was to help him buy a condo in the bahamas

SPEAKER_38: no red flags there no red flags there this would be like the head of engadget you know receiving 43

SPEAKER_620: million dollars in loans uh from like uh apple or something like the person you're covering every day

SPEAKER_191: you're like samson even more than that would be like if mac world right because they only covered one thing the freaking crypto industry fair enough it'd be like if you found out that the ceo of mac world

SPEAKER_626: had a condo in the bahamas that apple bought him yeah or steve jobs yeah maybe my favorite is this

SPEAKER_01: this is this is my lead i don't know what the academy is thinking uh you know you saw it's hard to read them sometimes it is um but hoppin ceo uh who was he i believe i believe you know maybe he wasn't on the pod i don't know if he was on the pod or not i don't think so i think he was but this was the johnny uh boo fart he cashed out i kid you not 195 million dollars in secondary when hoppin raised at a 7.8 billion dollar valuation hoppin is zoom plus slack plus like a little area to put

SPEAKER_00: like a web page with some chat rooms for like what would have been the trade show area in other words it's virtual conference software so during the pandemic every corporation was like we need to

SPEAKER_03: do virtual conferences hey they work and so there is something to it right we use this software called circle for 200 a month same functionality basically uh for what he's charging a hundred thousand a year

SPEAKER_97: oh is he oh i think so i mean it's commodity software let's be honest like it's it's it is like message boards plus zoom plus slack you know it's not doesn't take a lot to build it let me just say

SPEAKER_03: that i'm not being derogatory here but it's pretty basic it's basic software so and even the thing is

Jason Calacanis: that even if we say they built a real thing at exactly the right time right it's a real thing

SPEAKER_04: it still exists no get to it during covid when apparently everybody this is i find this like human

SPEAKER_110: this specific human behavior to be so interesting when everybody decided oh it will always be a

SPEAKER_04: pandemic the pandemic will never end this is the most valuable company ever yeah they valued hop in at uh 7.9 billion dollars 7.8 billion dollars during the peak of covid and then johnny bufarhat who

SPEAKER_110: is among the humans who is smart enough to realize it will not always be covid

SPEAKER_102: and his company was not worth 7.8 billion his company was in no way worth 7.8 billion dollars but

SPEAKER_104: this guy is no dumb dumb and he cashed out almost 200 million dollars in secondary sales

SPEAKER_210: secured the bag i always tell people like if you're going to you know as a venture capitalist as a collection of board you know like if uh somebody and this was this company was a very young company hadn't been around a long time hadn't had this valuation so to let the ceo take out more than five or 10 million bucks is insane the capital allocators here who gave lp money to him at this level

SPEAKER_646: and they got it they got like some explaining to do they got some explaining to do by september 2021

Jason Calacanis: there were stories about him in the software report.com saying he is uh europe's latest self-made

SPEAKER_50: billionaire oh well because on paper but he he materialized 19.5 percent of a billion and that's

SPEAKER_138: what it's all about turning those paper returns into paper well congratulations on securing the bag

SPEAKER_91: well played another sbf contagion uh is our third nominee in this critical category of securing the bag

Jason Calacanis: yeah wow he really passed the bag around if you will oh yes uh sam bankman freed's parents secured quite a bag for themselves if only potentially for a short time uh he of course kept them in all kinds of good care he bought them uh some pretty pimp real estate a 16.4 million dollar

SPEAKER_110: mansion in the bahamas that was listed in the name of the company but like maybe their names were on

Jason Calacanis: this either way they were just living the parents who the parents who were you know respected law

SPEAKER_110: professors at stanford live in the dream in this 16.4 million dollar mansion in the bahamas thanks to

SPEAKER_660: the hard hard work better than my houses well maybe close um i'm not a professor remember kids he got

SPEAKER_664: there through yeah exactly like this is not for my money i got lucky too but i mean i certainly didn't

SPEAKER_666: secure it from i certainly didn't secure it for i didn't secure my bag from that's right yes sbf said he has no idea how the house ended up under his parents name oops wow i just had no idea

SPEAKER_91: it must have been the patch in the patch defense whatever that patch is he obviously had him

SPEAKER_259: then all right let's open this up who it is the winner is the bag secure of the year is oh it's so

SPEAKER_670: hard this one mccaffrey mccaffrey wow michael mccaffrey has won the twisty for bag secure of the year

SPEAKER_202: it's a little bit of an of an upset over hoppin that's a wild card it's like moonlight uh what was that

SPEAKER_552: um moonlight that won the best picture remember that indie film won a couple years ago yeah totally uh

SPEAKER_240: and they had that controversy they thought it was that's this is our moment yeah i thought for sure

SPEAKER_00: it'd be pop and see hopping ceo i know totally but we went with the smaller bag the indie bag

SPEAKER_666: the indie bag but but the like the dirty bag i mean that's such a dirty bag such a dirty bag it's such

SPEAKER_238: like deliciously dirty bag that it's kind of hard not to give it to him this kid is getting pinched too all that money's going back yeah oh my god you got something you enjoyed that southern district

SPEAKER_677: of new york hello michael it's the southern district of new york sdny yeah oh man can you

SPEAKER_682: imagine you got your phone and like it says sdny are you oh god you just throw that thing right in the

SPEAKER_684: ocean you just just chuck it just chuck it and run throw it right into the bahamas uh right off the

SPEAKER_544: shore right off the dot into the lagoon just all right best ceo of the year here we love this

SPEAKER_03: candidates include barry from peloton why would we pick barry from peloton joined in february after an eight-year stint at spotify to try to save this company we're trying to get him on the show he's a

SPEAKER_254: little podcast shy i know i'm on the show i'm a big fan and proponent of uh and uh you know i gave

SPEAKER_04: him some flowers oh my lord we know the jury's still out on peloton it's a tough tough road ahead he's

SPEAKER_110: still got a tough road here but we have just really liked his style like he's been a really honest communicator he's not been afraid to shake things up over there no i think barry is like

SPEAKER_62: these the ceo we're rooting for we are rooting for you barry from peloton i think it's a great product

SPEAKER_210: great team uh and yeah they clearly got ahead of their skis and they they spent money like drunken sailors and you got to clean up the mess like he's like you know what he's like he's like dad comes home after like long weekend and the kids had a rager for two nights and the police showed up and there's like a couch on the front lawn that's been lit on fire and like the fire department and police are there and he's like uh yes this is my house yeah now okay how do we how do we clean this up uh so wishing him luck i hear people are buying the debt because i was going to buy the stock somebody said you know the debt holders are going to own this company in all

SPEAKER_01: likelihood don't buy the stock by the debt the equity could get wiped out that's the back channel next up on our list my guy general zaslav of warner brothers discovery i mean whatever you think of

SPEAKER_06: these moves this guy has been making them yes he is making moves zaslav has been completely shaking

SPEAKER_110: things up as the new head of warner brothers discovery he brought on james gunn and peter safran to revamp the

Jason Calacanis: dc universe he's been killing fan favorite projects left and right i mean he is not afraid

SPEAKER_00: to piss people off no uh and i like his move that they're gonna make max their kind of hulu equivalent

SPEAKER_01: let hbo have its brand let discovery has its its brand and everything in between i think that they come in number two or number three ultimately in the streaming race i think it's disney netflix and warner brothers discovery will be you know one two and three in perhaps that order but it could get shaken up because hbo does tv better than anybody i know i wasn't even sold on the like the max umbrella

SPEAKER_610: and now i am i'm coming around yeah i mean that's a lot okay like short term big impact next up big bob

SPEAKER_03: big bob bob one and bob three the bob bob is back in the seat that you never quit you never quit a hit

SPEAKER_00: rock band roger waters pink floyd you never hit a great tv show david caruso nypd blue you never quit

SPEAKER_01: uh a movie franchise uh where you uh could do many movies like batman uh michael keaton comes to mind

SPEAKER_03: you want to milk those franchisee those franchises and the best seat in the industry most enjoyable job

SPEAKER_552: is being the ceo of disney ah parks premieres merch seriously cruises can you imagine the job

SPEAKER_530: you got it all espn you go into the super bowl you're going to movie premieres you take your

SPEAKER_552: friends what a job look at this picture of bob eiger in his office look how happy he is look at the contentness you know what that says yeah that says i'm having lunch with a movie star and then i'm

SPEAKER_38: going to go to the parks and uh you know meet like some president of another country that i'm getting on my private jet uh and i'm going to go to uh disneyland in japan tokyo france somewhere and then

SPEAKER_279: i'm going to go to davos that's what that smile says and then i'm going to be courtside at whatever

SPEAKER_110: game is on whatever game with leo i mean whoever that's what yes bob eiger of course as we covered in detail left appointed bob chapek you could almost say sandbagged bob chapek who then flamed

SPEAKER_333: out and eiger who's number four on this return looks like it's beep from number four is beep

SPEAKER_102: for beep you know just because like come on are we gonna ignore that you have to put elon from

SPEAKER_209: twitter on this yeah i have to put elon in there and you have to say why because twitter well uh

SPEAKER_76: you know listen he uh there's a lot of controversy in the first six weeks obviously i'm very close to

SPEAKER_01: it uh but uh putting aside all the controversies missteps and uh mayhem uh that happened during that story of the year i think it's the story of the year it's the story of the year yeah um putting it all aside the reverberations inside of silicon valley about austerity and hard work and what it

SPEAKER_00: takes to you know run one of these companies and essentialism all of that has had a profound impact

SPEAKER_03: on all ceos so say what you will about you know mercurial decisions on the margins or you know uh you know spicy tweets uh here and again i think it has had a major impact on how uh vcs capital allocators and of course founders are running their companies uh we see that again to me that's the

SPEAKER_110: story is what we will find out about that approach like what to me is interesting is the willingness and even eagerness to take away the lesson that like we should also do this and i will be very

SPEAKER_724: curious to see in 2023 how that plays out and be able to play out with and beyond massive earnings for the people who take that lesson and profits and higher no no you're doing the prediction show

SPEAKER_726: oh sorry save it save it zip it is that bad uh all right so those are our nominees i think you can

SPEAKER_728: all agree good nominees i'm surprised to see that um you know i thought maybe microsoft would have

SPEAKER_36: gotten in on this but microsoft didn't make the list here satya is the quiet storm yes yeah very

SPEAKER_735: interesting okay sorry all right who's the winner who's the winner all right who is the winner of best

SPEAKER_110: ceo of the year to recap we have barry from peloton we have general zazlav over at warner we've got

SPEAKER_04: bob eiger and we have milan at twitter the winner is general zadslav oh wow i don't even call

SPEAKER_95: zazlav anymore because you're putting the joke is superman 2 general zod comes in and says bow before

SPEAKER_210: zod when he came in there not dissimilar to elon's approach with twitter is hey listen we got to get fit here we're gonna we're gonna clean this up this is a bit of a mess and um i do believe that this could be uh one of the breakout companies of the next five years yeah what a collection of assets including the dc universe i think this james gunn move based on what lon said uh the mess that is dc i think could become a huge success for them man those characters they the way marvel shepherded their characters compared to disney it's like night and day they really just i mean the fact that we don't have green lantern hawk man hawk woman like all these other martian manhunter there's so many

SPEAKER_01: the justice league the legion of doom none of this has come together the only thing that's really come together is batman and wonder woman and aquaman they basically scratched the surface

SPEAKER_54: of what's possible here and they scratched all of those except for batman and are going back to

SPEAKER_110: the drawing board with all of them which is super interesting too i mean this i think you can definitely say i'm gonna i'm gonna agree with the academy on this one i think he gave us great content throughout the year first of all so thanks for that but then also is having this really big impact on a

SPEAKER_06: very struggling company that will have i think really broad reverberations like beyond the valley

SPEAKER_132: for everybody start entertainment here we go this is the big start of the year this very good we have

SPEAKER_210: uh open ai open ai coming as our first nominee obviously uh gp chat gpt is just taking the world by

SPEAKER_123: storm yep just unbelievable and it dolly is theirs as well dolly is theirs as well yeah so you get those two open ai like blew the doors open who has a startup this year blew the doors also drone

SPEAKER_210: up was our second nominee here uh people have been sleeping on drones because you know it was another one of these false starts but they are now partnered with walmart and there are going to be dozens of cities where you know a couple of pound packages from walmart will be you know coming down from a drone in your front yard that this is going to this is going to arrive i think it's going to be drone delivery vtols then full self-driving in that order of what we experience about the future and so

SPEAKER_110: drone up that's a wild uh wild it's a good one plus we loved that ceo tom like military guy he just had it buttoned up he was a really i have him on my list actually like a reminder went off about a week ago to follow up because i was it was you know it was like follow up with him in six months um really interesting startup and then pipe dream another startup that we became enamored of discussing which is the company that's going to enable 30-second delivery times through underground pipes in cities now to be clear we have questions sure about how doable this is but it was it's ambitious it's interesting it seemed pretty well thought out com you know all things considered pneumatic tubes we

SPEAKER_210: used to have them they used to be sending letters uh you know around wall street and uh there was a pneumatic tube system for the post office to send post around manhattan and we pulled those up during that episode uh uh episode 1443 it's a very cool idea why shouldn't we you know you look at the the boring company you look at tunneling these don't need to be giant tunnels

SPEAKER_573: well they weren't even talking about tunneling they're like just use existing infrastructure where there are already pipes like every building has plumbing and electrical and the pipes are already

SPEAKER_110: dug so they didn't even i mean it was really like the more you dug into it the more you were like

SPEAKER_210: oh they actually they could just kind of do that i mean imagine you go to your garage and you know if you lived in a planned community yeah and there's a walmart and let's say they build a thousand homes in the planned community when they build it when they're building the plumbing if they just put

SPEAKER_01: one of these and like literally it goes by your house and you go to your garage and like you have your garbage cans and then next to you have this and like you know a small package comes batteries burritos medicines whatever it is i mean could just this could be amazing i'm glad somebody's working on it i like next up andrel uh the defense contractor uh with my favorite ceo of course par milwaukee

SPEAKER_571: um doing very important uh drones terrifying but awesome it's great i mean yeah yeah you know i mean

SPEAKER_04: this is a really really impactful startup like no question and got a lot of attention this year and then

SPEAKER_110: of course the startup that all the cool kids are on oh no be real front and back photos at the same time all shared by your friends at the same time obviously a huge contribution to bettering our

Jason Calacanis: society but it was seriously it arrived i mean social apps come and go right there was like a whole handful of them and but it arrived and the next thing you know tick tock was ripping it off instagram's been ripping it off like it hit this one landed it hit different it hit who's the winner

SPEAKER_504: here i mean i you know i kind of feel like chat g open ai has to run away with this but you know you never know with the academy it could be you never know we got some we got some gen z's on there all

SPEAKER_04: right the winner is the envelope please it's open ai like oh good real and i was just gonna be like

SPEAKER_01: you know i don't i don't want them virtue signaling and ruining the oscars again i'm sorry the twisties with this like oh we're gonna go with the social app again you know like how would that be virtual

SPEAKER_173: signal i don't even understand how people use these words social justice social message social media always social these academies they always go social and here they went with tech i like it you know this would be like the oscars if they are hilarious a science fiction film as best film how often do they do that never they would never do that they never do that what if they what if they pick the comic book film for best picture never they never do that they never do that it's always got to be

SPEAKER_38: something with sadness or somebody suffering or you know it's always too much for me i think that's the

SPEAKER_310: mainstream i think that's what the people like god help us no they don't go mainstream the oscars has

SPEAKER_599: stopped going titanic that's a long time ago that's what they used to do is they used to be like oh

Chamath Palihapitiya: what did people like and they were okay with yeah you know i don't know now they gotta be all now they gotta be all a.o scott up in here well that's basically it like moonlight was like a mid picture

SPEAKER_504: like a six out of ten and they're like moonlight and lala everything's got to be artistic or whatever you can't have a maverick win not good either both of them were mids the problem is the only thing

SPEAKER_06: that happens in movies right now is marvel and star wars that's so then they're kind of left with

SPEAKER_210: a little bit of a like a turd bucket well not here yeah not here at the twist not here though feels like

SPEAKER_01: very uh not heavy-handed they're not trying to uh smack the chalkboard with the pointer like a teacher and say hey you have to pick this one for this reason they picked the one that actually i

SPEAKER_76: think is going to make the biggest impact okay defunct startup of the year these are things that

SPEAKER_110: went out of business okay this is in memoriam this is in memoriam some surprises on this list i gotta say i was very surprised to see argo ai the ford backed autonomous vehicle platform unicorn uh we talked about it in may of 2022 is which is when they actually launched self-driving test cars in

SPEAKER_06: austin and miami i mean that argo was off to the races they had all the talent i was there at the launch actually when ford made the announcement and they had scooped up like top tier autonomous

SPEAKER_210: vehicle talent just went poof overnight it's there were a lot of people going after this it's incredibly hard yeah a lot of companies are 85 of the way there 100 of the way there or 99 of the way there on grid systems limited you know areas but it's the edge cases you know when you get snow you get rain you get people you know who are drunk or high out of their minds walking in the middle of the street like autonomy doesn't work very well in those situations it's going to take a lot of time yeah to deal with you know being up in the mountains being in the tenderloin or being on a street you know in italy or something where it's tiny little streets that were built hundreds of years ago yeah in arizona you're

SPEAKER_70: gonna get it right so it's self-driving is taking a long time but it's a big prize

SPEAKER_76: and we're going to see like um what do they call that like attrition it's going to be like

SPEAKER_01: it's a it's like a ultra marathon people thought it was a marathon molly right i think it's an

SPEAKER_788: ultra marathon it's like one of those hundred mile things hundred percent hundred percent under dom

SPEAKER_97: hollins fast dot co which went poof it went poof and he was insufferable uh at times i had him on an

SPEAKER_177: episode he begged to be on the show many times his pr people were begging to be on the show and you know i was like ah okay fine i'll do it and that was episode 1103 back in september of 2020 but it's like one of those things where you bring somebody on the show and you know they're just there to promote and they're just like hyper yeah i'm just like it's not enjoyable because they're not having a discussion they're on talking points it was like one of those kind of moments

SPEAKER_110: there were a bunch of stories that came out after that said that there were some likely red flags about dom holland and things that he had done or his history was brutal his history was brutal and yet they you know raised a ton of money and fast burned through 165 million dollars in venture money yeah and then just poof went poof shut down they did do a nice hoodie they did a great hoodie

SPEAKER_210: they sold gazillion of them or 10 bucks and the kid who made the hoodies by the way i shouted him out on twitter he's made a merch company now and he gave me a thank you on twitter so the it was a very smart move like they had one the most innovative thing they ever did was for their company uh was they did a hoodie that was unbelievably cheap and i think they may have sold it for 10 bucks at one

SPEAKER_76: point or five bucks they sold a gazillion of them was a very smart move if they were a clothing company it would have been there like right what is it ikea you guys told me ikea has something like meatballs for cheap and then at costco you got something what did you guys tell me this chicken sandwich at

SPEAKER_798: costco it's hot it's hot dogs it's hot dogs for about 50. and the meatballs at ikea man yeah anyway

SPEAKER_110: you guys were telling me about i took my kid to dinner at ikea the other day and i was like dude dude dude dude dude jason's never been to ikea this is the fast hoodie and he was so worried about you yeah he what you know what we would like to offer to take you to dinner at ikea because the meatballs are a delight that's just an experience you have to have in life it was five bucks for the hoodie

SPEAKER_210: but yes i will yeah it was five bucks and i think they probably lost five bucks on it but it just made everybody linked to the site right so it was an i think it was like a secret covert seo strategy you

SPEAKER_01: know buying an inbound link what does that cost like 500 bucks or something oh and you had to make an account so it was kind of like open an account you get the five bucks if you're used if you keep one out of ten then your customer acquisition cost is 50. so there's kind of unique things like that that

SPEAKER_110: are smart to do i uh i i like want to retroactively add a category don't worry about you don't have to do it producers but like biggest vc whiffs because this was one of them yeah this kid a little diligence could have caught this dude early well instead he got 165 million dollars and he's good at marketing

SPEAKER_153: but not one click checkout we will we will talk about this in the prediction show yes we will after

SPEAKER_309: the twisties i got a lot of feelings about that prediction of uh governance okay house low alcohol

SPEAKER_630: aperitif was on episode 14 29 delightful but they hit hard times like most d to c companies direct

SPEAKER_210: consumer companies very hard and uh they went out of business who is uh the defunct startup of the year

SPEAKER_62: who is the defunct startup of the year the envelope please pretty obvious rip pretty obvious it's fast

SPEAKER_309: of course of course it was that was a spectacular flame out low out um and nobody liked the kid and

SPEAKER_38: he was like a bit you know what they say like the empty can empty can makes too much noise it was a little bit of that kind of situation where he was just like the noise was greater than the substance right and you're just like yeah but maybe less noise more product you know yep okay yeah and then

SPEAKER_814: here we go all right the biggie news topic of the year huh news topic of the year i mean all right there

Jason Calacanis: were so many to choose from because as we said on basically every single show all year long the news

SPEAKER_110: just kept on coming we had the crypto collapse huge encompassing terra luna 3ac celsius ftx block fly voyager spf i mean like it went on and on and on and on and on okay that was one big topic the next

SPEAKER_95: one was working isn't working which we made a catch-all you had the quiet quitting you had the great

SPEAKER_38: resignation you had remote work you had riffs nobody wants to work this basically everybody the hand

SPEAKER_552: wringing around work became one of the stories the working class the management class the riffs doing more with less quiet quitting uh overworking people working two or three jobs just the relationship that we have as humans to work labor as uh in juxtaposition to management the coddling the

SPEAKER_202: callousness it's really interesting isn't it like we've really hit on like a whole

SPEAKER_422: like thesis this is like a phd year somebody's going to talking about labor because it is actually

Jason Calacanis: fascinating and then just the fact that the fed spent the whole year trying to like put millions of people out of work and it just and all it did was like hit the stock market and billionaires like

SPEAKER_26: it didn't help i mean listen they were like can you stop trying to put me out of business like it's just fascinating what a great great observation molly like the feds like you guys made too much money we're gonna raise interest rates please stop hiring people and then finally but we're like fine we'll we'll stop hiring people like yeah and lay people off and it's like okay well lay off some people but we still need people to drive trucks and we need waiters and we need people to pick strawberries and

SPEAKER_210: we need nannies and we need uber drivers and door dash drivers okay fine we'll get rid of all the high paid people like what do we think is going to happen here and like and we're finally seeing if you get rid of a bunch of white-collar workers then maybe it will break housing and then if you break housing

SPEAKER_38: maybe you can break this you know unemployment and i mean it isn't it you're like yay like it's sort of like

SPEAKER_422: it's supposed to be like a victory that's supposed to be a victory but then you're all the people who got the jobs as waiters and uber drivers victory are also probably going to get fired because it's

SPEAKER_06: a strange victory it's just a weird but it is like it is a it's been a fascinating year in work

SPEAKER_554: basically you know and we really do need to start thinking about immigration like if we let some people immigrate to this country that would be a huge part of this let's let's clean that up you know you get two or three million people coming in here illegally let's give them a path

SPEAKER_552: i mean i i love the idea of people having a path you know uh to to being great citizens of this

SPEAKER_03: great country let's recruit some great people anyway ai for everything my lord did that become the theme of the year towards the second half of the year i think the dolly stuff was like kind of

SPEAKER_00: it was like a toy fun like a cool toy deep fakes right those were kind of interesting we started seeing some deep fakes of different people and we're like huh that's getting a little scary right we're

SPEAKER_218: started across the uncanny valley but then chat gpt broke it open it did and let's not forget that

SPEAKER_00: google's ai became sentient there was allegedly allegedly and i have a big year for ai and one person was like gonna go talk to the deli mall of the sun and be like yeah no it's over it's terminator

SPEAKER_568: two yeah with the rise of the machines sent like they fired him because he emailed everybody that he worked with and was like our machine is alive like and they were like hey stop microdosing bruh

SPEAKER_104: stop my work i'm just saying if ai got intense enough like that's how intense ai got this year that somebody in that field was like like cracked and speaking of fungi and speaking of fungi mushrooms are remain a big story and a huge subtopic in climate is mushrooms hey oh

SPEAKER_254: but not like that mushrooms are huge yeah i mean they they work for so many different things explain

SPEAKER_104: to people you can use so i did at least three specific interviews on this week in climate

SPEAKER_110: startups about mushrooms and how you can use them to make a new material in place of leather you can turn toxic waste material into other building materials of renewable materials using mushrooms and then obviously you can turn it into food like this company hyphae is making a much like fungi flower to replace flower i mean it just is like a sub this is a sub genre i had that on my english muffin i had

SPEAKER_76: a hyphae um fungi english muffin this morning and i am seeing two rainbows on the mountain behind me it's a double rainbow morning for me all right okay this is for me very hard this is really just

SPEAKER_36: i i'm looking at these the first three topics work and labor ai and crypto this took out a lot of our cycles this year i don't know which one who do you think is going to win molly how do you think

SPEAKER_850: it's going to win who's your winner how could you even choose this oh i mean ai for humanity

SPEAKER_38: feels like the future crypto feels like the review mirror and working feels like the now

SPEAKER_110: well and the thing is that ai is all also all about work oh stunning like for me i think you nailed it

SPEAKER_112: i think it's got to be ai right because ai also is it's all of those things i was going to go with

SPEAKER_554: the story theme of the year was the work thing yeah but you kind of pulled me into ai with your dovetailing

Jason Calacanis: who's the winner who's the winner yeah who's the winner all right let's find out let's find out

SPEAKER_445: who's topic of the year working yes okay right you have to remember the award right it is the topic of

SPEAKER_238: the year you're right ai is the topic of next year correct which we will discuss more in our prediction

SPEAKER_552: show but this is the topic of this year quiet writing the great resignation these crazy riffs no one wanting to work people doing overworking remote working back to office it never ended and

SPEAKER_49: it still has not ended we're still in the midst of it we a hundred percent are it's fascinating all

SPEAKER_04: right good choice good choice academy i agree with you the best twist exclusive content forget about what the rest of the world we're doing this is about what we did on this show okay and crushed it this category is for most surprisingly awesome this week in startups guest of the year let's get into

SPEAKER_49: the candidates uh my new mentor huh in life is surprisingly awesome guest of the year surprisingly surprisingly wild card yep wild card would not have thought in fact this is what so i interviewed uh

SPEAKER_110: elavest ceo sally krocek about her women focused investing platform and i was like

SPEAKER_256: really i don't know how i feel about a women folk why does that have to be a woman and then i put them in a box yeah and then she was like well at first i was like i don't want to do a women's investing program but then she was like here's why we need to because men die sooner and women live

Jason Calacanis: longer and then also we're just like not taught to and i was like oh my god completely sold and also she was just a phenomenal guest total boss super interesting and then we had canned water company liquid

SPEAKER_202: death ceo uh on the program episode 1584. mike cesario a great example of a creative turned

SPEAKER_04: founder a different kind of builder basically a freaking brand genius and by the way he does hardly

SPEAKER_06: any press so this was like a great get i had a great conversation with i loved our next candidate

SPEAKER_504: bloomberg's mark german he has the apple scoops i mean i think this guy bugged the apple office

SPEAKER_210: he kept coming on to talk about apple's ar future next year and i made a trade based on it i think apple's gonna win ar i think ar is going to be important i think vr is nonsense it's like you

SPEAKER_76: tr you know the big the try oh my goodbye of vr will become the ar uh always ar i think some people are going to be always ar they're going to keep those ar glasses on they're not taking them off just like people who i'm addicted to phones i believe always ar will be i'm giving a future trend here we'll save that i'll expand on in our next show i do think ar is the future and it's super compelling and i think those glasses could get small enough that i might be skiing down this mountain with ar goggles you know two or three years and absolutely you're never going to take them off once you put them on you get that you're never taking them off and then we have a little bit of a wild

SPEAKER_110: card for most surprisingly awesome guests now former uh reporter for the information malik morris on episode 1449 this is when ryan breslau was being the main character with the bolt stories he gave the best bolt breakdown ever this was his this was his headshot for the information which looks like a student id which is just a delightful like kudos to you that's so awesome and now he's

Jason Calacanis: at business of fashion and he was just he was a fantastic guest yeah wild card who also got every single bit of information about bolt shout out malik yeah good job on that investigative

SPEAKER_207: who's the winner here i mean all right who's the winner i like the two reporters but you know hey could be one of the two ceos here we go i know i like how we have two reporters and two ceos too the

SPEAKER_567: winner is envelope malik morris i like it you know why i like it i like it because nobody would expect it

SPEAKER_390: just you know an unknown reporter or lesser known reporter comes in and does the work and gets the

SPEAKER_218: reward so congratulations i think we maybe also sent him a bottle of don julio i think he was the only reporter that we straight up bribed yeah we just sent him a bottle of don julio hopefully that

SPEAKER_299: did not i think it might have been a little controversial i think maybe his employer was like wait a second i think so hopefully that's not why he's not there anymore but malik right on

SPEAKER_00: interview of the year this is always a coveted one adina heffitz um you know she talked about the hit piece and uh layoffs the struggles of a female founder on episode 1600

SPEAKER_110: yeah great interview she just i was so impressed with her for coming on and just taking on that hit piece head on and it was just a really good conversation legendary vc doug leone was on episode

SPEAKER_504: 1403 wow hope is not a plan let's make a plan what a legend yeah what a legendary interview too that

SPEAKER_132: conversation was thank you amazing i mean i just kept rewinding it yeah listening to probably that's

SPEAKER_504: like a that's that's one of them that you want listen to twice toby luke uh coming on and talking about the state of e-commerce layoffs everything yeah it's just always a great interview we have

SPEAKER_76: such a great rapport uh he and i uh episode 1568 another great one and then frank sleutman general

SPEAKER_110: the general full of great quotes all products start with great architecture he talked about hiring top talent to lead to victory and he said if you were and by the way if you're wondering frank sleutman's definition of victory is breaking the enemy's will to fight he said ubiquitous win-win deals are not possible he just came on and was like hi i'm frank sleutman and i'm a stone cold killer it was like

SPEAKER_210: an action movie of a news interview this is so tough you know for me it's doug leone or sleutman i think um just because you know being on the top of their games you know i think the other two are up and comers right so the amount of wisdom for toby and adina is going to triple quadruple over the next couple

SPEAKER_23: of decades but for doug and sleutman yeah these are five decades four decades of of knowledge right it's hard to compete because wisdom compounds in those final decades at a much higher velocity

SPEAKER_38: because it's building on each other i think it's got to be sleut or doug leone who is the winner of

SPEAKER_552: this one this is a tough one i know the winner is who's yours before you read it too late i already saw it

SPEAKER_49: it however i agree with the academy's choice here of sleutman ah see i would have went doug leone but

SPEAKER_110: okay really i know i can't argue with the academy it was amazing but there's something about that sleutman interview that's just so you know what it is it gets you fired up yes it makes you want to

SPEAKER_04: storm the beach like leone you learn from and it's like sitting around reading incredible you know

Jason Calacanis: non-fiction book and like that's really well done it's like a michael lewis non-fiction like it's

SPEAKER_886: very engaging very instrument made me want to fight yeah all right let's do chemistry all right chemistry

SPEAKER_210: is an important one we have our spicy debo cnbc's debo we've had her on the program a couple times we got into it on cnbc she and i i was like hey if you ask me the question you gotta let me answer

SPEAKER_462: then she came on she was spicy uh she's you know she's a firecracker i'll leave it at that and she

SPEAKER_110: and i have such a fun time on the show i think we did one where you weren't here we were taking pot shots left and right like just a blast here to brosie what is it about her that makes her so

SPEAKER_889: compelling to you in terms of rapport tell me i think that she is a rare combination of a person who

SPEAKER_04: has strong opinions and has done the work okay she can back them up she does the reporting she's honest and she listens and turns the tables and asks you questions too so she's the perfect talent because

Jason Calacanis: she's great talent yes and she has great opinions and she states them but she does not take over the

SPEAKER_01: show ah so just very good at passing the ball you know what we always talk about you know that warrior style of basketball you know just keep moving the ball keep looking for that better shot an extra pass

SPEAKER_00: never hurts or almost never hurts next up acquired's ben gilbert uh he comes on he's prepared every time and very much like you're and look at the great headshot too i mean great hair uh great hair great smile the whole thing but he you know he's uh he's a capital allocator who comes prepared he reads every

SPEAKER_01: possible book on entrepreneurship acquired fm great podcast for going deep dive into company something i want to try to do here a little bit more uh because we're so topical i think some of those deep dives would

SPEAKER_73: be just good for you and i molly to explore that acquired fm history channel kind of format because it'll make us smarter be like something i really want to put on our uh docket for next year

SPEAKER_38: but i have a great rapport with him because he also same thing with debo likes to uh turn it around and

SPEAKER_01: ask me a question so just great at a follow-up question or building the conversation you know like um what do they say in improv uh you always do certain words yes and yes and he's like a yes and and debo is like a yes and type of guest of course my ask an angel uh and a fan favorite zach coleus he's been on so many times i don't know i've lost count um but he's just even he matches my candidness

Jason Calacanis: sometimes he's even more candid self-deprecating total fan fave like this is the if we have a

SPEAKER_153: people's choice it's the people's choice here i think but great rapport back to reporters tech

SPEAKER_110: crunches alex wilhelm we always have such a blast with alex and it feels like he you feel like you can just tell that he comes in here and he's excited to get to let loose a little bit like maybe maybe his bosses don't watch when he's on twist okay also uh in this group bestie altimeter capitals brad

SPEAKER_210: gershner was just on uh episode 1639 he is just awesome on the show and glenn kelman my guy who's on

SPEAKER_38: all the time i bring him on quarterly um he's always up to date again very candid and that's what you're looking for you if you if you make an xy and you make four quadrants you know extremely prepared and

SPEAKER_210: knowledgeable i'll make one of the axes but then articulate and honest right so there's your

SPEAKER_01: knowledge and preparedness and then your your ability and your willingness to speak candidly if you put that top right quadrant you get you get a glenn kelman you're gonna get a brad gerstner you're gonna get an alex wilhelm you're gonna get a zach coleus you're gonna get a ben gilbert and you're

SPEAKER_202: getting a debo these are five great nominees i mean we are lucky to have such a bench this is a great

SPEAKER_292: bench and i don't even know how do i even begin to pick a favorite here who's your who do you feel

SPEAKER_161: you have the best chemistry we don't have to we don't have to but maybe for you i mean there's

SPEAKER_635: two hosts here so there's chemistry with me and chemistry with you i'll how about you do me i do you uh who do you think i have the best chemistry with and i'll say who i think you have the best chemistry with

SPEAKER_455: i'm gonna say for you glenn glenn kelman oh like i love glenn and glenn and i have a great

SPEAKER_04: relationship but when i'm on with the two of you i don't need to be here you two are just having a little bromance it's still he asks you questions he turns the table on you all the time and it's

SPEAKER_97: hysterical hilarious you just have a special thing a special thing okay now the easy choice here would be

SPEAKER_23: debo for your chemistry however uh even though it's only uh i think it's only brad's only been on once with you is that correct yeah yeah the chemistry of this last episode where you were kind of challenging each other and he's a super fan of yours um you didn't know that but i had to tell you that because every time i see him he brings up molly and he's like oh you molly said this molly said that and i'm like all right easy on the molly you know i was your first you're like i want my chopped

SPEAKER_26: liver i'm right here i just you know i did create the show i mean but i'm like okay fine we'll talk about molly um so i'm gonna make my day i it's very hard because you know he uh the chemistry that was

SPEAKER_210: very strong but i'm gonna give it to debo because it's been multiple appearances now and right it's

SPEAKER_04: been multiple debo i just love debo i want to hang out i want to go shopping like she is so great although i will say i agree with you that was a really special surprisingly fun yes brad episode

SPEAKER_00: where i was like i kind of surprised myself yeah on that one yeah it was really fun well like it makes

SPEAKER_210: sense your marketplace experience you're right yeah so you know i saw like a little bit of this marketplace slash market participant and then you now straddling that by becoming a venture capitalist it was all kind of happening there so i think the potential is there with brad but i'm gonna give it

SPEAKER_04: to best chemistry deirdre bossa me too but now we got the trifecta who is the best chemistry with both of us all three of us together making the magic and the winner is what tie a tie who is this like an eight

SPEAKER_167: i'm gonna i'm gonna allow it brad gerster and deirdre bossa i like it i like it as a um as a concept two hosts they both work great with both of us i think what we have to do is to force them here we

SPEAKER_38: got to go out in the golf sense uh and the four of us together could be amazing that could be amazing

SPEAKER_04: because you got cnbc you got brad and his deep markets knowledge in his charts i mean the man breaks charts like let's set it up amazing let's let's make it episode of the year all right can you

SPEAKER_521: believe it we did 300 episodes this year what a great year uh and so many to talk about but uh you

SPEAKER_00: know here we go what here we go was the best episode of the year we have five candidates here molly

SPEAKER_191: lightning round episode 1607 emergency pod ftx sells to binance which they didn't end up doing with

SPEAKER_110: vinnie and sunny they joined to break down the whole potential cell and they talked about who the bag holder could be they covered the ftx fundraising breakdown audience loved it absolutely that episode

SPEAKER_00: 1446 we crashed in severance finales two amazing shows we were laughing about this we were a little drunk we would get a little drunk on the show absolutely fantastic always a great time with lon

SPEAKER_218: which leads to our next episode that's right ao scott gate episode 1638 this is i mean guillermo del

Jason Calacanis: toro got involved we jason triggered the internet so hard with his comments about the internet

SPEAKER_04: film movie critics twitter movie critics lost their damn minds uh but as a result it has led to even

Jason Calacanis: more great content because here now we're watching movies that frankly i found myself at a dinner party last night recommending tar thanks to ao scott gate it's you know what it's a really cool thing to

SPEAKER_941: be able to lord ao scott's recommendations over people it really is i get why these people do this

SPEAKER_03: you get to be elitist yeah and you get to lord it over people that you've seen these things and you have been thoughtful about them before they have i understand the appeal god govnik plays himself

SPEAKER_946: in the new i mean like really it's anyway that was like actually there's three different endings uh

SPEAKER_76: okay praying for exits episode 1492 he's always great mr exits as he's called uh one of the few times we have somebody on we know who he is but um you know we just we'd like to give him his

SPEAKER_210: anonymity and um you know it's just another great i think we've had yeah anonymous guests on very rarely

SPEAKER_104: but he was great and then finally episode 1535 adam newman raising 350 million dollars from a16z for his new startup flow okay which is basically rental properties with perks uh and then we got into bay

SPEAKER_110: area housing hypocrisy we went right for mark andreessen over housing policy he supports flow but like not housing in their town it was a very yes i remember that up very spicy episode very spicy okay

SPEAKER_157: episode of the year here it is folks the winner is the winner is emergency pod ftx sells to finance

SPEAKER_954: with vinnie and sonny everybody loves vinnie and sunny what a combination my two pals not on our chemistry

SPEAKER_38: list hmm well you know uh there's there's only so many awards here the academy likes to spread the

SPEAKER_552: love it's been another great twisties on january 2nd that monday we will have our predictions episode so

SPEAKER_01: you got the twisties that's what happened here in our world on the show i hope you

SPEAKER_76: enjoyed this roundup but january 2nd molly and i make our predictions so see you next year we'll see you in the new year